CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 01:22PM

Growth in deaths in UK looking eerily similar to Italy already

frillyleaf · 01-04-2020 01:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, from the account, they came straight home and went to the pub. Zero personal responsibility. Also, is there any evidence whatsoever that any of that crew had the virus?

Seems like no one in the country wants to the personal responsibility for anything. It's always the Goberment. Have we handled this well, probably not, but so far we seen to have managed better than most of western Europe

That is why people returning from Italy and Cheltenham should have been quarantined. It removes the personal responsibility as some people will not be responsible and put others in danger

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 01:23PM

threeball wrote: »

Uk is out of reagents and also at capacity. The only country not at capacity is germany because they are a hub for manufacturing the equipment used in the testing.

I love how people cherry pick all the best systems in the world and assume we should automatically have them but dont want to pay for them

A common feature of all of the threads is that there must be someone to blame or something to complain about. How well or badly it was done is a question for the post-crisis review.

devnull · 01-04-2020 01:23PM

Stheno wrote: »

Wow

Well over 600 is said to be true figures.

cnocbui · 01-04-2020 01:23PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

The poster seems to have been able to have a rough idea of the amount of total test done a day or two before the figures were announced, although they were out by about 3000 so I was wondering if they had some insight that we don't have. The 1500 mentioned at the press conference is slightly confusing as the official numbers released by the HSE say that an average per day for the last week is 1745.

I think you should look at the official figures rather than mindlessly believe what is written every four pages, weren't we putting 5000 test through the labs every day according to some poster here and anyone who suggest otherwise was trying to cause panic.

The 250 discrepancy would be due to the limited in-house testing done in some hospitals, which is restricted to testing of staff and some patients, If I recall correctly. 1500 is the current capacity of the national virology testing lab.

ninebeanrows · 01-04-2020 01:23PM

With the lack of testing it is the ICU admissions and Death count that are key measures.

Very sad numbers from the UK. Seems their dithering for a week has cost hundreds or possibly thousands of lives.

Hopefully we were prompt enough to suppress our surge, but no doubt about it, during the next week there will be some sobering death numbers in Ireland also.

Inquitus · 01-04-2020 01:23PM

shocksy wrote: »

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

Aye that's by far the most in one day, sadly.

01-04-2020 01:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19

Thanks.

New Home · 01-04-2020 01:24PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

But one poster is saying you self isolate them on entry - i.e. you don't give them a choice - arrive in Dublin airport - straight to hotel and you can't leave -

The way your saying above - is that way it is at the moment.

Right now, maybe - but not when the Cheltenham crowd came back.

bekker · 01-04-2020 01:24PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Sweden experiencing so much more deaths than other Scandinavian countries with harsher lockdowns
Total in Sweden : 240 dead, ICU 400

Norway : 43 deaths.. ICU 100
Finland : 17 deaths.. ICU 100

Sweden is about twice the population of them but still

Population density ?

Stockholm 4.8/sq km
Helsinki 3.0/sq km

Also Helsinki has expanded dramatically in last 5 years, read v.favourable reports on quality of building programme.

devnull · 01-04-2020 01:25PM

shocksy wrote: »

+563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

Total deaths 2,352

And that's probably underestimated by a considerable amount.

As of just over a week ago the death figures being published were under-reported by 24% due to a failure to include deaths outside a hospital setting.

Despite government insisting that they would adjust their statistics to include all deaths, they still only report on hospital deaths in order to manipulate the figures.

frillyleaf · 01-04-2020 01:25PM

easypazz wrote: »

This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.

In fairness at the time a lot of people had issues with government allowing people to fly to and from northern Italy and Cheltenham. The match had already been called off over here and people were still going to Cheltenham despite this. It’s not hindsight in that sense....

joe40 · 01-04-2020 01:26PM

easypazz wrote: »

A month ago I couldn't stomach Harris's voice another day, now I couldn't think of anybody else doing the job.

Imagine Louise O'Reilly dealing with this.

It would be an absolute disaster if SF were leading this right now.

I'm very happy with fine Gael handling of this situation, but they are taking the lead from the medics (to their credit)
That is the right approach, but I think most of our political parties would do the same.
By enlarge the opposition parties are giving the government space and support to get on with things.

weldoninhio · 01-04-2020 01:26PM

is_that_so wrote: »

If you're at home for two weeks you're in the clear. You also seem to be completely blind to the issue of shortages but tell you what, the next time we hit something like this I'll vote for you no problem and we'll be in perfect hands!

The first line is absolute nonsense. If you self quarantine for 2 weeks without getting tested you've no idea if you had it or not, you could leave your house and contract it from the car and head back into work spreading it all around.

Ace2007 · 01-04-2020 01:26PM

billybonkers wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/dr-tony-holohan-undergoing-tests-hospital-992886

Ireland's Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan is in hospital undergoing tests.

Feel like we'll be hearing this for next 12 hours

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 01:27PM

easypazz wrote: »

A month ago I couldn't stomach Harris's voice another day, now I couldn't think of anybody else doing the job.

Imagine Louise O'Reilly dealing with this.

It would be an absolute disaster if SF were leading this right now.

Of course you couldn't :rolleyes:

I don't think FG bots are helping their cause.

When this is all over there will be need for an investigation into all the mistakes FG have made and continue to make and how their mistakes gave covid19 a massive leg up when it came to spreading infections here.

Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the extremely shallow gene pool they are pulling from.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 01:28PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

That's daft.

So if someone get's a train or drives to China from Germany, then they haven't gone abroad?

We are referring to living on a small island, which is partitioned due to historical differences.

But you knew that.

weldoninhio · 01-04-2020 01:28PM

threeball wrote: »

Uk is out of reagents and also at capacity. The only country not at capacity is germany because they are a hub for manufacturing the equipment used in the testing.

I love how people cherry pick all the best systems in the world and assume we should automatically have them but dont want to pay for them

The companies who make reagent have completely debunked this. They have said that there is no shortage of the relevant reagents.

threeball · 01-04-2020 01:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

A common feature of all of the threads is that there must be someone to blame or something to complain about. How well or badly it was done is a question for the post-crisis review.

Amazingly people never point the finger at themselves. As soon as an government tries to tackle any problem all the lobbying groups and unions are up in arms with people shouting "you can't do dat". So they dont and people bitch that did nothing about it. This country is particularly bad for people who want everything while conceding nothing.

JPCN1 · 01-04-2020 01:29PM

easypazz wrote: »

This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.

To be fair to the Shinners, Belfast has long been one of the world leaders in Trauma surgery.

Martina1991 · 01-04-2020 01:29PM

cameramonkey wrote:

I ask because testing testing testing is what has been stressed by the WHO. It means we can tell the difference between a cold and covid. It means we can get front line staff back to work instead of sitting at home waiting for quarantine to end.It means we can target people who have the virus early with drugs and treatment and leave those with a cold to recover.

As a scientist you should really know that but then again you were reporting last week that 5000 tests per day were going through the labs so maybe your knowledge is restricted to repeating good news spin from uninformed sources.

Every number I post is from HSE sources you seem to be posting unverified information and always spinning it to say that the HSE are doing more tests than they are. Do you work for the HSE or something?

I dont recall saying we were processing 5k a day. Some other posters here did. It was planned to provide that many tests a day by the end of April, up until these shortages occured.

How can we "test test test" without the necessary reagents.

Its like everyone looking for hand sanitiser. You assume it'll be there when you need it. You assume the suppliers will keep up with demand until they can't.

Everyone has demand for the same thing. And we will have to wait until they can produce more.

But you are just determined to call the service a disaster no matter what the numbers are.

I dont know why you are so obsessed with test numbers when all experts are saying the numbers that matter are the ICU capacities and deaths.

Test numbers are of importance for determining the spread. Contract tracing now estimates the number of contacts per case is now down to 3. It was 20. Social distancing is working.

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 01:29PM

https://twitter.com/wlrfm/status/1245342148691664898?s=20

tigger123 · 01-04-2020 01:30PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Of course you couldn't :rolleyes:

I don't think FG bots are helping their cause.

When this is all over there will be need for an investigation into all the mistakes FG have made and continue to make and how their mistakes gave covid19 a massive leg up when it came to spreading infections here.

Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the shallow gene pool they are all pulling from.

Just because they're not doing what you think they should do, doesn't meant they're doing it wrong.

They're listening to medical experts. That's good enough for me.

If governments start listening to the internet for what to do next, we're ****ed.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 01:31PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Looks like no one told the U.K. manufacturers of re-agent about this shortage. They know nothing about it. Politician wouldn’t lie, would they??

Do a search for reagent shortage, plenty of other examples out there. This is Harris from this morning on it.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/harris-number-critical-coronavirus-cases-worry-us-992669

BrianD3 · 01-04-2020 01:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19

Thanks, that seems to be clarified now. Fair play to Gavan Reilly for chasing this. Earlier on, he posted a tweet saying the HSE had clarified that it was a current figure. But now at least there is a tweet from the horse's mouth.

There was an individual on this forum yesterday who was adamant that it was a current figure and was explaining to me like I'm a child that ICU is for serious cases while telling other posters that they need to go back to school. LOL.

fullstop · 01-04-2020 01:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Today's press conference lead by Dr Ronan Glynn is at 5:30pm

Cue pandemonium in here when it hasn’t started and the clock says 5:31pm. “How hard is it to start on time ffs”.

easypazz · 01-04-2020 01:32PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Of course you couldn't :rolleyes:

I don't think FG bots are helping their cause.

When this is all over there will be need for an investigation into all the mistakes FG have made and continue to make and how their mistakes gave covid19 a massive leg up when it came to spreading infections here.

Even today they haven't the cop on to realise you can't break the cycle of new infections if you keep introducing them from outside the country.

And as for a disclaimer I am not a SF, FF, GP or any political party supporter. I'm fairly sure they'd all be as bad in government, given the extremely shallow gene pool they are pulling from.

Nonsense, Irish people still need to get home, very few arriving in now anyway, and they are required to self isolate for 14 days.

Ace2007 · 01-04-2020 01:33PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

In fairness at the time a lot of people had issues with government allowing people to fly to and from northern Italy and Cheltenham. The match had already been called off over here and people were still going to Cheltenham despite this. It’s not hindsight in that sense....

Your right, it's not hindsight in that sense, but it's like talking about the next recession, we all know it's coming, but do you know how bad it will be? You can have posters galore saying that we are going to be in the Sh!ts for years, others saying months, others saying whatever, some of them are going to be right, but that doesn't mean their logic for solutions are right does it?

Imagine if Leo came out tonight and announced that all healthcare works must sleep in hotels near their hospitals/nursing homes - and must do this for the next 2 months - no exceptions.

Everyone else must continue with this "lockdown" for the next 2 months at least.

There would be uproar in society - because you can't just lockdown people for large period of time with no end in sight and expect them to be ok with it. Everything has to be done in stages.

threeball · 01-04-2020 01:33PM

fullstop wrote: »

Cue pandemonium in here when it hasn’t started and the clock says 5:31pm. “How hard is it to start on time ffs”.

Only to be followed by wheres Dr Tony, does he have the virus.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 01-04-2020 01:34PM

This is just an observation,

There appears to be moderators a plenty posting on this thread, must be a free for all on other parts of the forum like the parents are away for the weekend!!!!

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