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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4532
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, from the account, they came straight home and went to the pub. Zero personal responsibility. Also, is there any evidence whatsoever that any of that crew had the virus?

    Seems like no one in the country wants to the personal responsibility for anything. It's always the Goberment. Have we handled this well, probably not, but so far we seen to have managed better than most of western Europe

    This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

    I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.


  • #4533
    mick987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mick987


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    April fools?

    https://twitter.com/rickastley/status/1245054121746608134?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1245054121746608134&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-rick-astley-to-play-free-gig-for-nhs-and-emergency-workers-at-end-of-pandemic-11966835

    Surely they will have suffered enough by that point.


  • #4534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    crossman47 wrote: »
    It was always clear the number in ICU was at the point in time but some people kept questioning it.

    It is clear that it is accumulated, if you read the reports. The hse are giving him wrong information.

    How can your put down the total number of Covid patients, give the percent that needed hospital and the percent of that that needed ICU and claim it’s in there now??? People have died and got better.


  • #4535
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Sweden experiencing so much more deaths than other Scandinavian countries with harsher lockdowns
    Total in Sweden : 240 dead, ICU 400

    Norway : 43 deaths.. ICU 100
    Finland : 17 deaths.. ICU 100

    Sweden is about twice the population of them but still


  • #4536
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    So Dr. Tony Holohan is in Hospital non covid 19 related I d say he thought he was having a heart attack, feral Bowers just said he told them at the time he wasn't feeling well and was holding his chest.


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  • #4537
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Tootsie_1 wrote: »
    So Dr. Tony Holohan is in Hospital non covid 19 related I d say he thought he was having a heart attack, feral Bowers just said he told them at the time he wasn't feeling well and was holding his chest.

    Thank you for sharing that breaking news with us.


  • #4538
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    easypazz wrote: »
    Some old man died in Tralee, seems he went to the pub, there were people there that had been in Cheltenham and people are saying Leo murdered the old man and this whole thing is Leo's fault.

    There are some real knob heads out there.

    No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.


  • #4539
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Danzy wrote: »
    There are some real knob heads out there.

    No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

    Any minute now there will be an attack on this post....


  • #4540
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    A difficult day for Wales, recording 29 deaths today:

    https://covid19-phwstatement.nhs.wales


  • #4541
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    easypazz wrote: »
    Surely Leo should have placed all over 70's under house arrest since March 1st, and closed Irish airspace since March 1st, and left 20000 Irish stranded in Spain, and left all the school tours in Italy.

    He is a disgrace so he is. He caused it all, all on his own.

    Charter flights for all of these and 2 week isolation at home at the very least. Not leaving open commercial flights to and from that area for more than 2 weeks after the area was identified as having a serious outbreak. And then encouraging doctors to go back to work which was stupid advice.

    It provided a critical bridge for covid19 to jump unrestricted to Ireland. For that I do blame Leo.

    Did he learn from this mistake? Of course he fckin didn't. He's now making the same mistake with London and New York air flights. He never learns. A week from now he will ask for flights to be grounded, except again it will be two weeks too late as always. And he'll do it as a massive PR exercise and the FG base will hail him as the greatest ever.


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  • #4542
    New Home
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    crossman47 wrote: »
    And where would he have put them all?

    Uh, I dunno, their own houses?


  • #4543
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Why are you asking me that.

    Every day you ask that question and dont seem to watch the actaul daily briefings.

    Then you take a number and extrapolate and speculate about that number over many posts.

    Rinse and repeat.

    Why don't you tell me how many tests are being performed each day? Its all you talk about.


    I ask because testing testing testing is what has been stressed by the WHO. It means we can tell the difference between a cold and covid. It means we can get front line staff back to work instead of sitting at home waiting for quarantine to end.It means we can target people who have the virus early with drugs and treatment and leave those with a cold to recover.

    As a scientist you should really know that but then again you were reporting last week that 5000 tests per day were going through the labs so maybe your knowledge is restricted to repeating good news spin from uninformed sources.



    Every number I post is from HSE sources you seem to be posting unverified information and always spinning it to say that the HSE are doing more tests than they are. Do you work for the HSE or something?


  • #4544
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    It is clear that it is accumulated, if you read the reports. The hse are giving him wrong information.

    How can your put down the total number of Covid patients, give the percent that needed hospital and the percent of that that needed ICU and claim it’s in there now??? People have died and got better.
    So, what's the numbers today?


  • #4545
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Danzy wrote: »
    There are some real knob heads out there.

    No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

    How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

    Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

    It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

    How is this delivering?

    They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.


  • #4546
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,591 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    easypazz wrote: »
    This. With the benefit of hindsight all these people are looking back and saying Leo should have done X / Y Z differently.

    I'd say it is killing the shinners that FG are doing a reasonable job at this.

    No surprise. The actual biggest ill in society are people blaming everything and anything and everyone on their problems. Next to no accountability or responsibility for self!!!!


  • #4547
    New Home
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    Belfast is still ABROAD.

    Simple: you come back from abroad? You don't move from your house for a fortnight. Not for shopping, not for any other reason. If you need a doctor or supplies you ring someone. It's not foolproof and it does need to be monitored, but it would have been a simple, valid way to contain the spread. Nobody can stop the virus, but they sure as hell can slow its spread right down.
    Ace2007 wrote: »
    And if he did that - then people would have found ways around it - just fly to Belfast and cross the border.

    What i don't get is why everything that happens in this country people blame the government. No one ever thinks maybe they are doing all that they can, they can't stop the virus - no country has.

    if they quarantined them in a hotel, and the chef died - then it would be the government's fault.


  • #4548
    [Deleted User]
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    otnomart wrote: »
    the Netherlands are still going for herd immunity:

    Lockdown unnecessary - says health agency
    "as long as people stick to the current measures - keep 1.5 meters apart, don't go outside if you're sick, wash your hands regularly, and avoid touching your face. "
    https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/01/covid-19-curve-flattening-lockdown-unnecessary-says-health-agency

    this with:

    1,152 patients currently treated in ICUs

    total number of deaths is now 1,173

    It’s not necessarily about the number in ICU....It’s about the number in ICU v ICU capacity. and I don’t know that for Holland

    If we had unlimited ICU beds then there would have been no need to us to take any measures. No need to ‘flatten the curve’ at all


  • #4549
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Danzy wrote: »
    There are some real knob heads out there.

    No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

    All the SF knobends have been out in force on the radio today, we should be like Singapore, we should be like Germany, we should be on 550 euro a week, we should have all the testing facilities in place if the health service was funded properly. The money is obviously there.

    Not a fcuking clue between the lot of them. No acknowledgement that we'll be borrowing 10bn minimum to fund what we've already done.


  • #4550
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Tootsie_1 wrote: »
    So Dr. Tony Holohan is in Hospital non covid 19 related I d say he thought he was having a heart attack, feral Bowers just said he told them at the time he wasn't feeling well and was holding his chest.

    Mr. Bowers is quite tame.


  • #4551
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    It is clear that it is accumulated, if you read the reports. The hse are giving him wrong information.

    How can your put down the total number of Covid patients, give the percent that needed hospital and the percent of that that needed ICU and claim it’s in there now??? People have died and got better.

    To put this to bed once and for all here is all the proof you need

    https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1245338278901014529?s=19


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  • #4552
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    New Home wrote: »
    Belfast is still ABROAD.

    Simple: you come back from abroad? You don't move from your house for a fortnight. Not for shopping, not for any other reason. If you need a doctor or supplies you ring someone. It's not foolproof and it does need to be monitored, but it would have been a simple, valid way to contain the spread. Nobody can stop the virus, but they sure as hell can slow its spread right down.

    Abroad means going on a ship, Belfast is not abroad, stop trying to wind people up.


  • #4553
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s not necessarily about the number in ICU....It’s about the number in ICU v ICU capacity. and I don’t know that for Holland

    If we had unlimited ICU beds then there would have been no need to us to take any measures. No need to ‘flatten the curve’ at all

    https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/19/intensive-care-expects-500-1000-coronavirus-patients-next-week
    Netherlands took recent measures to increase national ICU bed capacity to 1500. So it is still not at capacity but probably will be within 4-5 days


  • #4554
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Danzy wrote: »
    There are some real knob heads out there.

    No fan of Fg or leo but himself and Harris etc. have really delivered.

    A month ago I couldn't stomach Harris's voice another day, now I couldn't think of anybody else doing the job.

    Imagine Louise O'Reilly dealing with this.

    It would be an absolute disaster if SF were leading this right now.


  • #4555
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

    They're big claim is we have ramped up testing.

    It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

    How is this delivering?
    If you're at home for two weeks you're in the clear. You also seem to be completely blind to the issue of shortages but tell you what, the next time we hit something like this I'll vote for you no problem and we'll be in perfect hands!


  • #4556
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

    Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

    It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

    How is this delivering?

    They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.

    I don't have time either. I have to drop ppe I paid for, had delivered from China, into the public health nurses who don't have them, they were hard to get, have been for months and globally so.

    I'll leave you to list the failures and lament the perfect world we would have if you could fix everything and life didn't get in the way.


  • #4557
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    +563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

    Total deaths 2,352


  • #4558
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    How have they delivered? I don't have time to go through their long list of failures before and during the covid19 outbreak.

    Their big claim is they have ramped up testing.

    It takes 9 days to get a covid19 test result. Front line medical staff have been stuck at home for almost two weeks waiting for results.

    How is this delivering?

    They tested more people per capita in the world. Problem is they tested the wrong people, non healthcare staff and hypochondriacs. They wasted thousands of tests and now they've run out of reagents to test those who need to be tested. A complete farce.

    Uk is out of reagents and also at capacity. The only country not at capacity is germany because they are a hub for manufacturing the equipment used in the testing.

    I love how people cherry pick all the best systems in the world and assume we should automatically have them but dont want to pay for them


  • #4559
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    New Home wrote: »
    Belfast is still ABROAD.

    Simple: you come back from abroad? You don't move from your house for a fortnight. Not for shopping, not for any other reason. If you need a doctor or supplies you ring someone. It's not foolproof and it does need to be monitored, but it would have been a simple, valid way to contain the spread. Nobody can stop the virus, but they sure as hell can slow its spread right down.

    But one poster is saying you self isolate them on entry - i.e. you don't give them a choice - arrive in Dublin airport - straight to hotel and you can't leave -

    The way your saying above - is that way it is at the moment.


  • #4560
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    A difficult day for Wales, recording 29 deaths today:

    https://covid19-phwstatement.nhs.wales


    That's pretty tough, population of 3 million, it a big number.


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  • #4561
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    shocksy wrote: »
    +563 deaths in the UK in the past 24 hours (Sky News)

    Total deaths 2,352

    Well, the UK is sure on the curve now.


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