CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP

coolshannagh28 · 15-03-2020 02:52PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

How long do people think we’ll be on lock down before the economic hit outweighs deaths and we open everything back up?

Cynical but possible.

Strazdas · 15-03-2020 02:52PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

How long do people think we’ll be on lock down before the economic hit outweighs deaths and we open everything back up?

Four weeks.....maybe six weeks max

Most experts think total shutdown of a country for longer would be unsustainable (negatives begin to outweigh the benefits).

bekker · 15-03-2020 02:52PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Im thinking the brits have it spot on with herd immunity. What im witnessing in ireland today is a joke.

The UK appear to be basing their heard immunity figures on SARS 1, 2003, which yielded an R0 of 2-5 with herd immunity level at 50-80% of the population.

Comparing and contrasting, the WHO report on SARS 1 Transmission with SARS 2 COVID-19 Transmission as it is unfolding, I doubt that you could maintain the correctness of the UK approach you are advocating.

WHO
Transmission
An epidemic of SARS affected 26 countries and resulted in more than 8000 cases in 2003. Since then, a small number of cases have occurred as a result of laboratory accidents or, possibly, through animal-to-human transmission (Guangdong, China).

Transmission of SARS-CoV is primarily from person to person. It appears to have occurred mainly during the second week of illness, which corresponds to the peak of virus excretion in respiratory secretions and stool, and when cases with severe disease start to deteriorate clinically. Most cases of human-to-human transmission occurred in the health care setting, in the absence of adequate infection control precautions. Implementation of appropriate infection control practices brought the global outbreak to an end.

wakka12 · 15-03-2020 02:53PM

ITman88 wrote: »

This may not be the correct thread but do we do need to take perspective on this number?

On average 1100 people die every day in Spain, Will this number have increased this year?

Or will the cause of death be marked as Coronavirus for deaths that otherwise would of been attributed to pneumonia etc?

The question I’m asking is, has Coronavirus increased the death rate, or has the death rate remained the same and deaths that were attributed to something else are now attributed to Coronavirus?

And on this day almost 9% of those deaths so far in Spain are from coronavirus. So please just stop, I dont understand what you are trying to get out of by trolling on here, it is a serious and completely unprecedented situation. Are you in denial out of being panicked or something? Seriously, a large percentage of Europeans cant even go outdoors anymore, I think its you who needs to get a little bit of perspcective on whats happening not others in the thread

namloc1980 · 15-03-2020 02:53PM

ITman88 wrote: »

This may not be the correct thread but do we do need to take perspective on this number?

On average 1100 people die every day in Spain, Will this number have increased this year?

Or will the cause of death be marked as Coronavirus for deaths that otherwise would of been attributed to pneumonia etc?

The question I’m asking is, has Coronavirus increased the death rate, or has the death rate remained the same and deaths that were attributed to something else are now attributed to Coronavirus?

This should answer your questions.

BLIZZARD7 · 15-03-2020 02:53PM

ITman88 wrote: »

This may not be the correct thread but do we do need to take perspective on this number?

On average 1100 people die every day in Spain, Will this number have increased this year?

Or will the cause of death be marked as Coronavirus for deaths that otherwise would of been attributed to pneumonia etc?

The question I’m asking is, has Coronavirus increased the death rate, or has the death rate remained the same and deaths that were attributed to something else are now attributed to Coronavirus?

Are you actually being serious?

joe40 · 15-03-2020 02:54PM

Stewball wrote: »

I see the closet eugenicists among us are making themselves known....

Explain, I haven't seen anyone suggest that

Strazdas · 15-03-2020 02:55PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

It won't last four weeks. I'm thinking 10-16 is a more likely number.

No.....at that point, the negative impact on the country would be so bad that the downsides would be outweighing the worst of the virus (you'd have a traumatised and depressed nation and it couldn't be justified over such a long period)

Beasty · 15-03-2020 02:55PM

ricero wrote: »

Hearing of a lot of activity in the Curragh army base the past few days from a friend who lives in the area.

It's public knowledge they are being drafted in to help manage the situation in Ireland. Some are being trained up to deal with emergency phone calls. They could even do tests, or transport people to various isolation or medical facilities. A lot of Defence Force personnel will be trained in some very relevant skills

niallo27 · 15-03-2020 02:56PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Four weeks.....maybe six weeks max

Most experts think total shutdown of a country for longer would be unsustainable (negatives begin to outweigh the benefits).

Exactly sometimes we need to think of the greater good.

CrabRevolution · 15-03-2020 02:56PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

It appears we might have around 250, but some possible concerns that we mightn't have staff to operate more even if we ordered more.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/medics-raise-concerns-about-staffing-levels-as-hse-stocks-up-on-ventilators-1.4201544

The HSE would not disclose the number of ventilators in the Irish system but said that it had purchased an additional 12 portable ventilators and 60 intensive care unit (ICU) ventilators, though a series of doctors put the number at 250.

“We will run out of appropriate staff to operate the ventilators we have before we run out of ventilators,” said Michael O’Dwyer, head of department of anaesthesia and critical care at St Vincent’s University Hospital in Dublin.

I saw that figure in the paper and from working in the area can tell you it's either very conservative or badly out of date. There's a 3 figure number being ordered immediately, along with pumps etc.

Ger Roe · 15-03-2020 02:57PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Four weeks.....maybe six weeks max

Most experts think total shutdown of a country for longer would be unsustainable (negatives begin to outweigh the benefits).

Experts told us not to close the pubs.... right up until the present point wher the pubs themselves have now reached the conclusion that they can't stay open because the expert guidelines are unworkable.

Our politicians are relying on expert advice, but I would hope that they still challenge it before it is rolled out. I fear they are just blindly following in the knowledge that total acceptance means they have a fall guy to blame in the end.

Spook_ie · 15-03-2020 02:57PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

A quickly overwhelmed NHS means people needing urgent care for cardiac issues or car crashes for instance will die due to lack of capacity. And again there is no proof of natural immunity to this virus. Zero.

If there's no natural immunity gained from having the virus then eventually were all ****ed anyway.

niallo27 · 15-03-2020 02:57PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

This should answer your questions.

How does it, are they corona only virus death notices or all deaths. He asked a responsible question in fairness.

Beasty · 15-03-2020 02:58PM

YFlyer wrote: »

Are all pubs closing? How about hotel bars?

Sobering thought

I suspect you'll still be able to get your fixes via Room Service

SharpshooterTom · 15-03-2020 02:58PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

This^ we are living through the biggest human history event since WWII. I didn't think I would see something like this for another few years - I thought we would have to wait for an AI related problem in the late 2020's at the earliest.

Typical recency bias. Hyperbole to the extreme.

We'll eventually see the full impact of this over the next 2 years sure, but 150,000-600,000 were killed during the 2009 Flu Pandemic and AIDS killed 32 million in the 20th century. Some perspective.

We'll see also what happens to this virus during the summer whether or not it will sustain its exponential rise.

niallo27 · 15-03-2020 02:58PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

If there's no natural immunity gained from having the virus then eventually were all ****ed anyway.

Exactly we are completely ****ed if there is no immunity.

15-03-2020 02:58PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

No one knows..... do you?

As long as it takes. Lot of morons out there obviously can't be trusted. Lock it down for a few months. Fines for parents of kids congregating as if they're on school holidays etc.

Turtwig · 15-03-2020 02:59PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

If there's no natural immunity gained from having the virus then eventually were all ****ed anyway.

No we're not. There is no natural immunity to polio and small pox. These aren't really a problem though because we can inoculate ourselves with vaccines.

laugh · 15-03-2020 02:59PM

ITman88 wrote: »

This may not be the correct thread but do we do need to take perspective on this number?

On average 1100 people die every day in Spain, Will this number have increased this year?

Or will the cause of death be marked as Coronavirus for deaths that otherwise would of been attributed to pneumonia etc?

The question I’m asking is, has Coronavirus increased the death rate, or has the death rate remained the same and deaths that were attributed to something else are now attributed to Coronavirus?

People smarter than you are essentially shutting down their countries and economies due to this? They probably just forgot to consider that ....

BluePlanet · 15-03-2020 03:00PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

If there's no natural immunity gained from having the virus then eventually were all ****ed anyway.

No that's why we have science.
We can vaccinate.

wakka12 · 15-03-2020 03:00PM

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3075294/coronavirus-hong-kong-issues-red-travel-alert
Mandatory quarantine in Hong Kong for anybody flying from Uk, USA, or Ireland.

Morocco has suspended all international flights in and out of the country

KiKi III · 15-03-2020 03:00PM

Beasty wrote: »

It's public knowledge they are being drafted in to help manage the situation in Ireland. Some are being trained up to deal with emergency phone calls. They could even do tests, or transport people to various isolation or medical facilities. A lot of Defence Force personnel will be trained in some very relevant skills

I wonder are they good babysitters? Not even joking, our healthcare workers need somewhere reliable to leave their kids with schools and crèches closed.

Syncpolice · 15-03-2020 03:00PM

Is the UK staying open for business with Ireland

Company supplying goods to the UK

is_that_so · 15-03-2020 03:00PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Four weeks.....maybe six weeks max

Most experts think total shutdown of a country for longer would be unsustainable (negatives begin to outweigh the benefits).

Do you have any links to pieces about the economics of this?

JP Liz V1 · 15-03-2020 03:01PM

digitaldr wrote: »

On a lighter note, Ready, Steady - Cook! Is being rebooted just in time for the pandemic. For those of you too young to remember the original - two groups of contestants get a few mystery ingredients and compete to make the best meal. I can just imagine it now - dried penne, can of beans & some dog food!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CCMxE9Hly0

I like Rylan but couldn't get into the reboot

SharpshooterTom · 15-03-2020 03:02PM

The original Ready Steady Cook only ended in 2010.

I don't think too many people on here will be too young to remember it lol.

Spook_ie · 15-03-2020 03:02PM

Turtwig wrote: »

No we're not. There is no natural immunity to polio and small pox. These aren't really a problem though because we can inoculate ourselves with vaccines.

Do you happen to have a CoVid19 vaccine in your pocket?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-03-2020 03:04PM

I have a home ventilator that I have never used. I was given it around the time I was diagnosed with cancer to help my breathing but the treatment worked fast so I never needed it. I wonder should I donate it? Would hospital even accept it or do they need to source equipment carefully?

Spook_ie · 15-03-2020 03:04PM

BluePlanet wrote: »

No that's why we have science.
We can vaccinate.

Another one with a CoVid19 vaccine in their pocket!

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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP