CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP

Blanco100 · 15-03-2020 02:43PM

completedit wrote: »

Why don’t these people stick to their rooms and self isolate. It’s basically what we are being told to do anyway?

I absolutely think it’s a terrible reality for these people but now it’s the reality that’s going to face us all, leading to huge economic consequences.

Facebook. They will protest on facebook. And get passionate fishing for likes. Thats what they will do.

laugh · 15-03-2020 02:43PM

completedit wrote: »

Why don’t these people stick to their rooms and self isolate. It’s basically what we are being told to do anyway?

I absolutely think it’s a terrible reality for these people but now it’s the reality that’s going to face us all, leading to huge economic consequences.

There is a big difference between self isolating in the hope of getting over it and self isolating and reaching a point where you are deteriorating.

Blueshoe · 15-03-2020 02:43PM

laugh wrote: »

Let's see how they behave when their parents, grandparents and other critical cases have no hope of a hospital admission.

And you think that a health service that can't manage the annual winter flu outbreak is going to be able to handle a virus that is now a global pandemic?

Some people are in for a serious shock. Look closer to home.

laugh · 15-03-2020 02:44PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

And you think that a health service that can't manage the annual winter flu outbreak is going to be able to handle a virus that is now a global pandemic?

Some people are in for a serious shock. Look closer to home.

I mean it would handle it better if the curve is flattened is all.

Hamsterchops · 15-03-2020 02:44PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

There is no proof of herd immunity to this virus so I'm curious how you think they have it spot on? They NHS will be utterly overwhelmed with their plan very quickly

Sir Patrick Vallance is at the top of his game, he's the medical advisor to the PM, and his logic seems sound. Vallance' knows his onions, so who are we to question such an expert?

I don't doubt that our expert advice is also correct, yet I worry about hoards of schoolchildren mixing outside school, adults too, in pubs, nightclubs & restaurants...

Spook_ie · 15-03-2020 02:44PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

There is no proof of herd immunity to this virus so I'm curious how you think they have it spot on? They NHS will be utterly overwhelmed with their plan very quickly

Herd immunity might well mean their NHS being overwhelmed, but if the idea is to obtain herd immunity from CoVid19 then their are only two optons

A Allow people to catch it and thereby acquire natural immunity to it
Or
B Develop a vaccine and inoculate those that didn't catch it

A is risky but B is just as risky because a viable, safe vaccine could be as late as 2021, if the timescale were anywhere near 2021 then the self isolation is likely to fail anyway due to isolation fatigue.

Hobgoblin11 · 15-03-2020 02:44PM

Herd immunity will be a disaster for all cows !

completedit · 15-03-2020 02:44PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Man you're a disgrace. There are over 100 people dead in Spain today.

I know, it sounds horrible, I’m just trying to give people some perspective. I should choose my words more wisely.

SharpshooterTom · 15-03-2020 02:45PM

threeball wrote: »

If 9/11 happened in any other country bar America it would never be spoken about in the same terms it is. In some countries it would barely have registered such is the horror they have endured. Yes it was a terrible event but there's been far more terrible events since that barely get recognised

9/11 wasn't just about the 3,000 killed that day.

It was also about the 9,000+ coalition troops who died in the subsequent wars, the 100,000 Iraqi's who died during their invasion etc.

9/11 had a knock on effect for 20 years.

The US is still in both Iraq and Afghanistan and troops are still dying there.

Stewball · 15-03-2020 02:45PM

I see the closet eugenicists among us are making themselves known....

alastair · 15-03-2020 02:45PM

neonsofa wrote: »

Yeah i bought paint and decorating stuff a few weeks ago in case we ended up at home for a bit. I'd imagine many others will do the same. Wouldn't fancy shopping for it all now though, especially with loo roll and pasta to purchase too! :pac:

I know two other gaffs getting a bit of a paint job on the back of the lockdown. Obviously a thing.

otnomart · 15-03-2020 02:46PM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Is this a recent thing that half the schools in Ireland head off skiing?

and now we know that skiing resorts in school holidays time have acted as petri dishes for the virus, with people from all over Europe meeting up there.
The virus was circulating early in Germany, Netherlands... and when everyone headed out on holiday, bang.
Today:
"Urgent efforts to repatriate 30,000 British tourists from ski resorts in France are under way amid warnings of “widespread failures” in the travel sector in the face of the coronavirus pandemic. French mountain resorts closed at midnight on Saturday, hours after tens of thousands of skiers had landed for their annual holiday in the snow."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-chaos-as-30000-british-tourists-told-to-leave-french-ski-resorts

jamesf85 · 15-03-2020 02:47PM

How long do people think we’ll be on lock down before the economic hit outweighs deaths and we open everything back up?

namloc1980 · 15-03-2020 02:47PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Herd immunity might well mean their NHS being overwhelmed, but if the idea is to obtain herd immunity from CoVid19 then their are only two optons

A Allow people to catch it and thereby acquire natural immunity to it
Or
B Develop a vaccine and inoculate those that didn't catch it

A is risky but B is just as risky because a viable, safe vaccine could be as late as 2021, if the timescale were anywhere near 2021 then the self isolation is likely to fail anyway due to isolation fatigue.

A quickly overwhelmed NHS means people needing urgent care for cardiac issues or car crashes for instance will die due to lack of capacity. And again there is no proof of natural immunity to this virus. Zero.

Strazdas · 15-03-2020 02:47PM

Govt should be stressing that total nationwide "lockdown" and self isolation would only last for four weeks or so.

They need to keep reminding people that there will be a middle and an end to this crisis and things will eventually go back to normal.

Unearthly · 15-03-2020 02:47PM

MD1990 wrote: »

95 dead in Spain already today.

Going to be even worse than Italy.

Those dead people are just playing fifa though apparently

DrumSteve · 15-03-2020 02:47PM

otnomart wrote: »

and now we know that skiing resorts in school holidays time have acted as petri dishes for the virus, with people from all over Europe meeting up there.
The virus was circulating early in Germany, Netherlands... and when everyone headed out on holiday, bang.
Today:
"Urgent efforts to repatriate 30,000 British tourists from ski resorts in France are under way amid warnings of “widespread failures” in the travel sector in the face of the coronavirus pandemic. French mountain resorts closed at midnight on Saturday, hours after tens of thousands of skiers had landed for their annual holiday in the snow."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-chaos-as-30000-british-tourists-told-to-leave-french-ski-resorts

Blows my mind people are still heading away on skiing holidays.

RasTa · 15-03-2020 02:48PM

Good to see the UK taking this seriously. I live in the UK...

This is from today

https://twitter.com/suzannamimi/status/1239182466168037378

Ger Roe · 15-03-2020 02:48PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

How long do people think we’ll be on lock down before l economy hit outweighs deaths and we open everything back up?

No one knows..... do you?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-03-2020 02:48PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Sir Patrick Vallance is at the top of his game, he's the medical advisor to the PM, and his logic seems sound. Vallance' knows his onions, so who are we to question such an expert?

I don't doubt that our expert advice is also correct, yet I worry about hoards of schoolchildren mixing outside school, adults too, in pubs, nightclubs & restaurants...

Other countries are doing things differently and are also being advised by highly qualified people. I disagree that people should go unquestioned. Doctors are fallible.

nthclare · 15-03-2020 02:49PM

What's the number of people infected now?

Im finding it hard to keep up.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-03-2020 02:50PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

9/11 wasn't just about the 3,000 killed that day.

It was also about the 9,000+ coalition troops who died in the subsequent wars, the 100,000 Iraqi's who died during their invasion etc.

9/11 had a knock on effect for 20 years.

The US is still in both Iraq and Afghanistan and troops are still dying there.

And the surge in car fatalities in the US in the few years after 9/11 as people took to their cars more.

Beasty · 15-03-2020 02:50PM

completedit wrote: »

I should choose my words more wisely.

Seriously take your own advice or you will be banned from posting in this thread again

ITman88 · 15-03-2020 02:50PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Man you're a disgrace. There are over 100 people dead in Spain today.

This may not be the correct thread but do we do need to take perspective on this number?

On average 1100 people die every day in Spain, Will this number have increased this year?

Or will the cause of death be marked as Coronavirus for deaths that otherwise would of been attributed to pneumonia etc?

The question I’m asking is, has Coronavirus increased the death rate, or has the death rate remained the same and deaths that were attributed to something else are now attributed to Coronavirus?

wakka12 · 15-03-2020 02:50PM

Deaths in Spain today have risen to +95

Spook_ie · 15-03-2020 02:50PM

Necro wrote: »

Isn't herd immunity something that takes years to build up?

The UK are expecting this to happen in a matter of months and condemning their elderly/ill citizens to death or permanent self isolation in the interim.

Herd immunity builds up as fast as people become infected and recover, but even if you had 65% of people acquiring herd immunity you could still catch it. Prime example measles with the antivaxxers we are at a growing risk of a measles epidemic

Hobgoblin11 · 15-03-2020 02:51PM

RasTa wrote: »

Good to see the UK taking this seriously. I live in the UK...

This is from today

https://twitter.com/suzannamimi/status/1239182466168037378

The runners could be running for their lives soon !

dickdonk14 · 15-03-2020 02:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Might have been trying to make them bigger

I enjoy fondling my sausage in tesco

BluePlanet · 15-03-2020 02:51PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Im thinking the brits have it spot on with herd immunity. What im witnessing in ireland today is a joke.

It's a pretty big bet they are making.
They are betting that people who have had covid-19 and recovered, now have a long term immunity.
But there's no evidence for that belief just yet.
In fact, there are reports of secondary infections and relapses out of China now.

So if the immunity of recoverees only lasts a couple days, a couple weeks or months, it means 'herd immunity' is not effective as those people just get re-infected again and again.

Additionally we don't know how quickly the virus will mutate.
There's been 1 mutation i think already and the mutation has made it more aggressive on our respiratory tract, in other words more deadly.
When it mutates does that make previous immunities from recoverees totally redundant and they all get infected again?

Too many unknowns and presumptions to put into a policy.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 15-03-2020 02:51PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Govt should be stressing that total nationwide "lockdown" and self isolation would only last for four weeks or so.

They need to keep reminding people that there will be a middle and an end to this crisis and things will eventually go back to normal.

It won't last four weeks. I'm thinking 10-16 is a more likely number.

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