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Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,988 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Dept. of Health want visitor restrictions lifted from Nursing Homes.

    Nursing Homes told them basically to go fúck themselves this morning.

    My confidence is slipping TBH.

    :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    yes...and this was like the lady who rang newstalk yesterday and had an obvious dry cough and the presenter (ciara...) who's seemingly a doctor, told her it was probably just a cold and not to worry about it....my concern is these could be carriers.....but, anyway, besides that, i'm wondering, how did the cases that got tested as positive and were community cases, where they had no contact with other cases, get tested at all...how did they qualify to get tested ?....i have a feeling thats been answered in other thread but i missed it and am still curious.

    Probably displaying symptoms and a risk to health care workers so we're tested .... I don't know.
    Corks 1st patient - had a CT scan and it was discovered that he should be tested, don't know 're the others

    So do we have 4 cases of community transmission now... Waterford, Cork & the East (potentially Dublin?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Really interesting that Poland has shut all schools at 25 confirmed cases. When the schools shut is the new when will they cancel Paddy's Day. https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/03/11/1583924664000/Poland-shuts-schools/


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Have you actually checked South Koreans statistics? The mortality rate is 0.8% there, with many others in serious conditions. South Korea's stats are also skewed because half of the cases are cult members half of which are aged below 30

    0.78% though amongst the detected cases, so it’s possibly even lower.
    Look I’m an optimist, you think 1% is fantasy, South Korea’s example said it’s not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    I think this is the UK but could be for any Country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Nice to see the crowd numbers at Cheltenham.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    murphaph wrote: »
    By training up doctors in 2 weeks or what? They are pressing all sorts of non-related (eg orthopaedic) doctors into tackling this. They have recalled retired doctors. If the virus wasn't threatening the world there would be doctors from the rest of the EU in there helping. Italy won't get a handle on the CFR until most of their elderly population has died.

    Or until the results of the lock down take effect.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    A fire brigade is called to a smoking building, in a neighborhood where many houses (countries) nearby are already on fire.

    The fire chief says to his crew "Hang on lads, keep the fire hoses turned off until the fire gets a good grip."

    This seems to be the current government strategy !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    murphaph wrote: »
    Angela Merkel stated in a press conference that 60 to 70 percent of all Germans will be infected. That's the exact opposite of slim enough and Ireland will be no different once it takes a hold.
    It is a matter of managing it so that the peak does not overwhelm services. From an individual point of view, if you are going to get it, you either want to get it early or late but not at the peak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    spookwoman wrote: »

    There's unlikely to be any left there. I was in one yesterday. A man and woman grabbed the last 10 of them, for what I don't know. They are probably being sold on ebay as we speak.

    Failure to impose rationing - another failure by our government/HSE.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    Therre is no need to be so alarmist or dramatic. No country in the world woikd have enough ICU resources to cover things like this. China had to costruct a facility and they are uniquely placed to be able to scale up like that.

    HOWEVER WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT YET

    The whole point is to take radical action now to prevent ever being at that point.

    If we do hit that point then we're screwed, avoidable deaths will happen and it's no use talking about it then. Now is the only time to talk about it and it shouldn't be dismissed as "alarmist".

    It's interesting to look at these threads from 2 weeks ago and most things being labelled as alarmist or excessive then are viewed as sensible in hindsight today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    The Irish Times are today reporting that there are plans for increased testing in hospital laboratories in Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford. Along with the NVRL this would increase capacity to thousands of samples a day.

    Testing criteria has also been expanded to those with respiratory symptoms but no history of travel to effected areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Spain had 36 cases on March 2nd
    Now they have 1,700


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Wombatman wrote: »
    A few teachers on here looking for a holiday.

    Ah FFS. Not that. Don't start that up. Not on this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,349 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    ITman88 wrote: »
    0.78% though amongst the detected cases, so it’s possibly even lower.
    Look I’m an optimist, you think 1% is fantasy, South Korea’s example said it’s not.

    Too early to call mortality rates at this point or to draw any conclusions from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Italy’s numbers today will be interesting, they dropped dramatically yesterday.


    That's not true.
    The low numbers of yesterday are due to the fact that not all hopsitals reported the new cases because of a problem in the communication.
    Today we should have the real number, along with those missed yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,349 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The Irish Times are today reporting that there are plans for increased testing in hospital laboratories in Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford. Along with the NVRL this would increase capacity to thousands of samples a day.

    Testing criteria has also been expanded to those with respiratory symptoms but no history of travel to effected areas.

    Incoming significant increase in numbers. Should've been done a week ago.


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Too early to call mortality rates at this point or to draw any conclusions from it.

    Exactly things will look brighter come Summer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    That's not true.
    The low numbers of yesterday are due to the fact that not all hopsitals reported the new cases because of a problem in the communication.
    Today we should have the real number, along with those missed yesterday.


    do you have a link to that about the communication issue?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    WTF is with all this lockdown talks- theoretically we can lock down for 1-3 weeks, then yes maybe no more cases, but open up then few people come in infected **** starts all over again, its not something that can be tracked or seen, seems more like either you get it or not and ride it out scenario.


  • Registered Users Posts: 344 ✭✭IQO


    Netherlands: 382 (yesterday) to 503 cases today

    https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/actuele-informatie-over-coronavirus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Exactly things will look brighter come Summer


    Why? This virus has no problem spreading in warmer weahter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,959 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Is she telling people she has made a choice to let people getting sick and provide care for those who need it rather that aggressively attempting to contain the virus?

    70% is as scenario whereby there is very little attempts for containment.

    I think that's exactly what the EUs response has been. Economy first, people second, they'll pile us on a fire to keep the money rolling, and that's essentially what will happen.

    It was such an illogical myopic response though, surely it was obvious that a scenario of prolonged widespread disease would have much worse economic reprecussions than shutting up shop for two or three months.

    Similarly Ireland as an Island had a golden chance to avoid death and economic chaos, but even now we sit patiently waiting for a peak of inevitable disaster to be reached rather than attempt to put measures in place to prevent it.

    It's all so bizarre, too bizarre to be attributed to stupidity, it's nearly ripe for some sort of conspiracy theory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    scamalert wrote: »
    WTF is with all this lockdown talks- theoretically we can lock down for 1-3 weeks, then yes maybe no more cases, but open up then few people come in infected **** starts all over again, its not something that can be tracked or seen, seems more like either you get it or not and ride it out scenario.


    Things can be planned, lock down is either now or later. Timing can make a huge difference in scaling up resources


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,988 ✭✭✭spookwoman




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    do you have a link to that about the communication issue?


    It was told us by all TV news last night, and in programmes following.
    I'm Italian, live in Italy, the news is first hand.

    EDIT
    https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/

    This link says that "Data from Lombardy is incomplete" under every stat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Dow Jones drops 600 points opening , 2.5%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Ireland 18 no testing = today Ireland 18


  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭CitizenFloor


    scamalert wrote: »
    WTF is with all this lockdown talks- theoretically we can lock down for 1-3 weeks, then yes maybe no more cases, but open up then few people come in infected **** starts all over again, its not something that can be tracked or seen, seems more like either you get it or not and ride it out scenario.


    Its about reducing the numbers of people, who are critical, at any one time, and spreading that number out over the duration.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    We live in an economic system where people are told that taking time off work is the worst thing you can do. Don’t badmouth people, bad mouth your stupid company and stakeholders for facilitating that kind of culture. If he rang in sick, people would be calling him a bluffer, look at the work and jobs threads on Boards.ie to see what people think about people taking time off.

    Maybe in other jobs but that is not the culture in my office. We have a fantastic manager who understands that people get sick and need time off work. No one ever gets slagged off about it, that doesn't happen here (it may do elsewhere) but we still get the martyrs who think the job revolves around them and come into work sick. I know that is not the norm but I can only speak about my own personal experience and work place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    I'd say the football European Championships will be cancelled aswell.

    Hopefully the English Premiership be postponed for two months. Give time for Kane, Son, Sissoko and possibly Bergwijn to recover and get fit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Too early to call mortality rates at this point or to draw any conclusions from it.


    Why early?

    We have more than 70K closed cases with a death rate of 6% and a consistent trend to prove quality of data so far (no abnormal spikes)
    As we go along rate will change but what we have now is good actual data


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    scamalert wrote: »
    WTF is with all this lockdown talks- theoretically we can lock down for 1-3 weeks, then yes maybe no more cases, but open up then few people come in infected **** starts all over again, its not something that can be tracked or seen, seems more like either you get it or not and ride it out scenario.

    The idea of lockdown is ironic.
    The length of the lockdown required to have an effect on this virus and protect the health of the vulnerable will endanger that very health by limited access and supply of the health care products required to sustain and prolong life in the 1st place.

    I’m getting berated for mentioning the economy but it’s this very economy that has sustained vulnerable lives and increased life expectancy among the overall population in the 1st place, by advances in healthcare and pharmaceutical research.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Any school shutdown, the teachers should get fined if they take a vacation.

    Vacation is it?

    As long as they keep away from the shopping mall ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    I imagine anyone quarantined can get illness benefit ? It’s not much but it’s more than it was last week
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    If they are instructed by the HSE to stay at home then they are entitled to €305 a week

    That's almost a third of his wages so he'd be down 2 thirds:o

    Plus if its half as much hassle to get like it was 2 years ago when his appendix burst it will be like pulling teeth and I can only imagine the backlog there'll be with so many people claiming at the same time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,386 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Downlinz wrote: »
    The whole point is to take radical action now to prevent ever being at that point.

    If we do hit that point then we're screwed, avoidable deaths will happen and it's no use talking about it then. Now is the only time to talk about it and it shouldn't be dismissed as "alarmist".

    It's interesting to look at these threads from 2 weeks ago and most things being labelled as alarmist or excessive then are viewed as sensible in hindsight today.

    'Sensible' is not a word I would use about much of the social media commentary we've seen for the last couple of weeks. We've seen plenty of wild hysteria, panic and misinformation among the more balanced and nuanced commentary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,349 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    German airline Lufthansa said it would cancel 23,000 flights across the group, a 50% reduction, as it tries to deal with the fallout from the coronavirus crisis.

    Lufthansa said it would scrap the flights between 29 March and 24 April, with more "expected in the coming weeks".

    Up to now, Lufthansa had detailed 7,100 cancellations up to the end of its winter flight plan on 28 March.

    Then on Friday it reported "drastic declines in bookings and numerous flight cancellations", saying it would slash capacity by 50% in the weeks ahead.


    The economic effects of this will be felt for years to come regardless of the outcome of the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    scamalert wrote: »
    WTF is with all this lockdown talks- theoretically we can lock down for 1-3 weeks, then yes maybe no more cases, but open up then few people come in infected **** starts all over again, its not something that can be tracked or seen, seems more like either you get it or not and ride it out scenario.

    This has been gone over countless times.

    It could take 6 months of Chinese measures to bring the spread to a halt. They are well on the way to that.

    With regards a lockdown, you slow the spread to give enough chance to our medical professionals to deal with hospital admissions.

    Slowing the spread is vital at this stage. 99% of people recognise this simple fact.

    Part of the 1% who don't are in government or advising them. These clueless idiots will cost lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    namloc1980 wrote:
    Incoming significant increase in numbers. Should've been done a week ago.
    How exactly could this have been done a week ago when the testing kits werent available. Work still has to be done to validate testing in these hospitals before it can be used.

    This is a very fast development.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Such BS 'the Irish in Cheltenham' palaver. They live in a bubble.

    And that stupid Colm Meaney ad this year to top it off. Paddywhackery at its best.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    circadian wrote: »
    Is anyone doing any work anymore? May as well just send everyone home.

    Following this thread is a full time job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1

    Interesting study on how long the virus can last on various surfaces.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    Dow Jones drops 600 points opening , 2.5%

    Goldman Sachs issued a report last night stating it has another 15% to fall. Its a long way off the bottom yet I would assume.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Italians living in Ireland have put toghethr a fairly well written and documented petition to beg the Irish government to react faster: https://www.change.org/p/together-to-fight-coronavirus-in-ireland?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_20745638_en-GB%3Av4&recruited_by_id=07ebcff0-6311-11ea-b917-b7fabf2498b1&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial

    And I got this from ... the teacher from my Chinese language course.

    Teacher said she and her other Chinese colleagues are praying everyday for the Irish government to wake up before it is too late.

    People who have contacts in seriously affected countries do see things very differently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Someone in my office just tested positive. It's feels like its getting closer and closer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Vacation is it?

    As long as they keep away from the shopping mall ;)

    Will they be travelling to the North for their shopping?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    The Cheltenham roar could be replaced with the Cheltenham cough/sneeze.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Will they be travelling to the North for their shopping?

    Why would they :confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    jester77 wrote: »
    Someone in my office just tested positive. It's feels like its getting closer and closer.

    Location?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    [PHP][/PHP]
    ixoy wrote: »
    When the schools close, they will need to give some advanced notice. A lot of people can't work from home, so something would need to be arranged with employers. You can't just assume all places can function if a big part of the staff vanish. People will still need a wage and a job to return to. Notice gives people time to try to balance.

    The HSE/dept of education need to stop dismissing the rumours and start advising that closures are possible and parents should start making alternative arrangements for child minding and/or alternative work arrangements with their employers. No notice is being given apart from rumours but i'd be willing to bet a large amount of money the schools wont re-open next Wednesday after St patricks day.


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