Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Hooter23 · 11-03-2020 10:52am

Over 3,000 die in car accidents EVERYDAY...10 MILLION people die of cancer EVERY YEAR...The media/RTE are a joke they even hype up 60mph storms like they are Catergory 5 Hurricanes

Metroid diorteM · 11-03-2020 10:52am

Duke of Url wrote: »

Ive been following remdesivir since it was first mentioned at the end of January.

They have already ramped up production of remdesivir

The question I have is if it is the turns out successful. Will Gilead release the licence so it can be mass produced around the world to meet demand?

The Chinese didn't even wait. Like a month ago (I've been following this thing very closely since mid Jan) they copped it and started manufacturing without licence.

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 10:52am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

Source?

the deftone · 11-03-2020 10:53am

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

cnocbui · 11-03-2020 10:53am

nthclare wrote: »

Its very simple to just give us enough to live on, freeze all utility bills mortgages etc , give us free electricity, without us having to pay any units between the free time and when the free electricity is up.

If we don't starve and have warmth and foid, basic access to medicate etc

Im sure we'll come out of this.

WE BAILED OUT THE BANKS AND THE SYSTEM
NOW ITS OUR TURN TO GET OUR PERCENTAGE OF OUR EXTRA TAXES AND TARRIFS BACK

I have a suspicion the government may haircut bank deposits to pay for this. No way will banks end up paying for this or the government be giving anything.

Funsterdelux · 11-03-2020 10:53am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

Especially after going to the toilet, sure arent we breathing in poo all the time.

cloudatlas · 11-03-2020 10:54am

There's a running event I'm supposed to be going to in May but I haven't signed up obviously but the amount of people saying 'I've signed up' and continuing to organise is unreal and I heard someone on the bus this morning who was going to a conference who was doubting it would happen but hadn't cancelled. Should we really wait for the government to tell us what we already know? Are we that thick?

nthclare · 11-03-2020 10:54am

Scotty # wrote: »

How then are the energy supply companies supposed to pay their staff and maintenance bills?

The banks depend on people paying their mortgages to keep them funded. If people stop paying we'll quickly need to refund the banks again.

Daft ideas to be honest.

Well if you'd prefer to be paying your utility bills mortgage etc on 305 a week if it comes to it.

Good luck with that

Jim_Hodge · 11-03-2020 10:54am

Graces7 wrote: »

Thin rubber gloves which you then discard when you get home or wherever. And avoid touching your face.

Once the gloves touch anything they are useless. You can wash your hands as easily, if not more so, as take off rubber gloves. Gloves are for very short term use between patients or possible contaminants. Touching a shopping trolley, picking up goods, handling money, opening a door etc with the same pair of gloves is a futile exercise.

martingriff · 11-03-2020 10:54am

RandomName2 wrote: »

I know I've already quoted it before, but it's worth doing again

Dr Paul O’Brien, an Irish regulatory expert based in China, says the most effective mitigation strategy Ireland could have adopted would have been to reduce the risk of infection to zero. “Early adoption of a proactive strategy involving risk-stratified mandatory quarantine of all inward travel from high-risk zones could have made this [the avoidance of panic] a non-issue for Ireland.”

Seeing that Ireland decided not to do this, it is worth getting rid of the infection before it becomes too late to be able to halt the infection.

Stopping flight to risk areas would not have reduced the risk to zero and if the do for used those words then he was very stupid. Would it have reduced it yes probably but not to zero. You know why people can fly from other airports and other countries not hotspots had cases so we could get them from them

Beanybabog · 11-03-2020 10:54am

flynnlives wrote: »

It went ahead becasue the brits have accepted mass deaths. They know that fighing this will need draconian action, lockdowns etc. They cant do that casue their an open economy about to contract due to Brexit anyways.

Wouldn’t it be mad if we ended up in a situation where the whole of the EU shut their borders on the UK.

Gods Gift · 11-03-2020 10:55am

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Especially after going to the toilet, sure arent we breathing in poo all the time.

Don’t snore your coke off the toilet seat.

iguana · 11-03-2020 10:55am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Patient 1 in Italy is on the road to recovery and will be included in the "absolutely fine" category. He was 3 weeks in intensive care under ventilation. 3 weeks!

That's great news for him but what a fuçking burden to have to live with for the rest of his life. It was in no way his fault that he spread the virus he was repeatedly told he had the flu. But to have been dubbed as 'patient 1' & 'the Italian superspreader' in a country which has so far shown an absolutely huge mortality rate and put a western democracy into a previously unthinkable kind of lockdown. To be the person placed at the centre of most of the infections in Europe and the massive recession that will almost inevitably follow. It's just so utterly sh^t for him.:(

namloc1980 · 11-03-2020 10:55am

quokula wrote: »

Not sure where you got your South Korean numbers from but the ones I've seen, and I just googled again to double check, say that their number of new cases have continued to drop, and their number of recoveries now outnumber their of new cases so the number of active cases is also continuing to drop.

And I never said anyone who was in intensive care was absolutely fine. I just pointed out that 99.9%+ of people in the absolute worse hit areas of the world haven't even contracted the virus, never mind had mild symptoms.

Daily new cases South Korea:
9th March: 165
10th March: 35
11th March: 242

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Funsterdelux · 11-03-2020 10:56am

the deftone wrote: »

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

Smartness is relative.

Who are government advisors? Think about it. Do they have the best interest of the people at heart or do they have the same world view to the people they are advising i.e. needing to protect the invisible manmade economy.

lainey_d_123 · 11-03-2020 10:56am

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Once the gloves touch anything they are useless. You can wash your hands as easily, if not more so, as take off rubber gloves. Gloves are for very short term use between patients or possible contaminants. Touching a shopping trolley, picking up goods, handling money, opening a door etc with the same pair of gloves is a futile exercise.

Why, though? It might be easier to discard gloves than have to find somewhere to go and wash your hands, if you're out in public.

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 10:57am

the deftone wrote: »

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

Ye, you'd think that.

Do you think this country is as well equipped as Italy to deal with this? Not a hope and we'll be paying the price in the coming weeks and months ahead. Unfortunately

DrumSteve · 11-03-2020 10:57am

Duke of Url wrote: »

Ive been following remdesivir since it was first mentioned at the end of January.

They have already ramped up production of remdesivir

The question I have is if it is the turns out successful. Will Gilead release the licence so it can be mass produced around the world to meet demand?

TBF, I think they'll have to; don't think the Chinese haven't already reverse engineered it anyway.

I think that drug will sort a lot of this out tbh; they will make much more money from a treatment than a vaccine anyway.

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 10:57am

spookwoman wrote: »

Bull! People with auto iimune problems are the ones that are told they need to vaccinate. Have crossover symptoms of lupus, cfs, fibro and you can ask many others with the conditions that doctors advice you to get flu jab every year.

So my GP AND consultants are wrong? WOW
Just WOW!

Even on the anti vaxx thread they want everyone who can to be vaccinated to protect folk with immune deficiency who cannot be vaccinated.

See how dangerous medical "advice" on this thread can be!

And please mind your language! REALLY!

cnocbui · 11-03-2020 10:57am

the deftone wrote: »

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

It's too late for banning flights to be of use once you have community transmission within your country. It might have worked two or three weeks ago with people going into quarantine from inbound flights than stopping them. Singapore showed the way but this country isn't run by smart people.

DrumSteve · 11-03-2020 10:58am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Daily new cases South Korea:
9th March: 165
10th March: 35
11th March: 242

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Didnt that number jump due to a cluster of people in a call centre?

Funsterdelux · 11-03-2020 10:58am

cloudatlas wrote: »

There's a running event I'm supposed to be going to in May but I haven't signed up obviously but the amount of people saying 'I've signed up' and continuing to organise is unreal and I heard someone on the bus this morning who was going to a conference who was doubting it would happen but hadn't cancelled. Should we really wait for the government to tell us what we already know? Are we that thick?

Take the power back!

Listen to your gut, its your second brain.

NetChat101 · 11-03-2020 10:59am

Mango Joe wrote: »

I'd also suggest that now is finally the time to throw caution to the winds and take your sexy Neighbour or work Colleague into your arms in a passionate embrace followed by 3 or 4 minutes of amazing love-making......

3 or 4 minutes - lucky them!!!

iguana · 11-03-2020 11:00am

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Once the gloves touch anything they are useless. You can wash your hands as easily, if not more so, as take off rubber gloves. Gloves are for very short term use between patients or possible contaminants. Touching a shopping trolley, picking up goods, handling money, opening a door etc with the same pair of gloves is a futile exercise.

I don't know. My skin has cracked in a couple of places on one hand because I spilled a mild bleach solution on it but have continued with over washing and steriliser use that's stripped the skin of it's natural oils. I've been keeping them heavily moisturised while at home but the skin has opened in a couple of places now. I'm going to have to start wearing a rubber glove on that hand now because tiny open cuts are a perfect way for the virus to infect me.

dan786 · 11-03-2020 11:00am

Germany has confirmed a third death due to coronavirus.

morebabies · 11-03-2020 11:00am

If an elderly person has contracted pneumonia from Covid-19 through community transmission, though is not tested, as is probably the case at the moment, will the individual be routinely tested for coronavirus if they pass away do you think, or will the health service just put pneumonia down as cause of death?

On the one hand, the govt won't want to frighten people with a high mortality rate, but on the other, there would surely be implications for the rest of the family who could contract the virus from them, particularly if some of those are immunocompromised or elderly too.

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 11:00am

the deftone wrote: »

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

This has been disproved repeatedly.

ibarelycare · 11-03-2020 11:00am

Hooter23 wrote: »

Over 3,000 die is car accidents EVERYDAY...10 MILLION people die of cancer EVERY YEAR...The media/RTE are a joke they even hype up 60mph storms like they are Catergory 5 Hurricanes

Car accidents and cancer aren't contagious.

laurah591 · 11-03-2020 11:01am

completedit wrote: »

Was on Davis McWilliams spouting the same stuff. I get it but he he seems like one of these overly rational people who can’t imagine that a virus he’s never encountered before may have big consequences. I’d be very suspicious when I hear of people saying things like “80% of people will be absolutely fine”

80% will have mild symptoms - but 1 in 5 will be serious!

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 11:01am

flynnlives wrote: »

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

And Taiwan and South Korea were faced with an infinitely more difficult task than us. South Korea had a cult deliberately spread the disease for a week FFS. Also both of them are a stone's throw from the outbreak of the disease (in aviation terms)

wadacrack · 11-03-2020 11:01am

Probably will be a long/slow process, until enough people get infected and a vaccine being available. China still reluctant atm to do it and not even sure Europe can do what they done. Its probably going to a fight against outbreaks for the next 18 months or so

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 11:02am

dan786 wrote: »

Germany has confirmed a third death due to coronavirus.

The question is: how many deaths will it take for Germany to give a damn?

gabeeg · 11-03-2020 11:02am

Bahrain 79 new cases, bringing their total to 189.

What's the weather like in Bahrain?

otnomart · 11-03-2020 11:02am

iguana wrote: »

That's great news for him but what a fuçking burden to have to live with for the rest of his life. It was in no way his fault that he spread the virus he was repeatedly told he had the flu. But to have been dubbed as 'patient 1' & 'the Italian superspreader' in a country which has so far shown an absolutely huge mortality rate and put a western democracy into a previously unthinkable kind of lockdown. To be the person placed at the centre of most of the infections in Europe and the massive recession that will almost inevitably follow. It's just so utterly sh^t for him.:(

Nobody is blaming him.

If fingers should be pointed, Germany thought they had fully contained the Bavaria outbreak - but now we know they didn't.

The Bavarian outbreak was started by a Chinese colleague coming from China.
Article from the New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...d-mnX3d9F_WRzM

The strain in Europe is the same and originates from the first patient in Germany, or Bavaria Patient 1 (shortened in BavPat1)
Research has established the samples from (so far) Switzerland, Finland, Italy, Brazil and Mexico are all related to Bavaria Patient 1 .

https://nextstrain.org/narratives/ncov/sit-rep/2020-03-05?n=9

Hypothesis about the spreading of SARS-CoV-2 virus in Europe
Bavaria BavPat1 -> La Gomera -> Tenerife, Spain -> Italy
https://markdownshare.com/view/1fa5a...0-da1b19b7adf8

Cork Boy 53 · 11-03-2020 11:02am

iguana wrote: »

That's great news for him but what a fuçking burden to have to live with for the rest of his life. It was in no way his fault that he spread the virus he was repeatedly told he had the flu. But to have been dubbed as 'patient 1' & 'the Italian superspreader' in a country which has so far shown an absolutely huge mortality rate and put a western democracy into a previously unthinkable kind of lockdown. To be the person placed at the centre of most of the infections in Europe and the massive recession that will almost inevitably follow. It's just so utterly sh^t for him.:(

Unless this person goes public himself he will not be identified officially at least. Obviously the usual rumours will circulate but that`s just the way it is.

Jim_Hodge · 11-03-2020 11:03am

Graces7 wrote: »

So my GP AND consultants are wrong? WOW
Just WOW!

Even on the anti vaxx thread they want everyone who can to be vaccinated to protect folk with immune deficiency who cannot be vaccinated.

See how dangerous medical "advice" on this thread can be!

And please mind your language! REALLY!

When did you last talk to a GP or Consultant about this?
From your beloved NHS

Most immunosuppressed populations are at higher risk of influenza-associated complications, have a general trend toward impaired antibody responses but can be safely vaccinated.
Such groups are thought to be at higher risk of serious influenza-associated complications and as such are priority groups for immunisation.

And

People with ME/CFS, where a dose of flu could cause serious complications, should also discuss having a flu vaccination with their doctor

As you say, dangerous medical advice on this thread.

ironingbored · 11-03-2020 11:03am

Hello? Is that Sky? Look, I know I cancelled my subscription but could you just let me watch one more match...?

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-uk-access-coronavirus-vaccine/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR08qJv56BCBH1WarVjPl5fzRMzcyoQBW0CbRcghTHiLbrmdYkU-Ik5bOSw

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 11:03am

RandomName2 wrote: »

And Taiwan and South Korea were faced with an infinitely more difficult task than us. South Korea had a cult deliberately spread the disease for a week FFS. Also both of them are a stone's throw from the outbreak of the disease (in aviation terms)

What's this?

ErnestBorgnine · 11-03-2020 11:03am

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Source?

Michael Osterholm said it on the Rogan Podcast.

He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 11:03am

Hooter23 wrote: »

Over 3,000 die is car accidents EVERYDAY...10 MILLION people die of cancer EVERY YEAR...The media/RTE are a joke they even hype up 60mph storms like they are Catergory 5 Hurricanes

So let me get this right.. you're saying that you wouldn't get rid of all worldwide cancer if the option was presented to you?

11-03-2020 11:04am

the deftone wrote: »

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

Everywhere is affected though, including Ireland. So that would mean no flights at all. How long do you stay closed for? What happens if we all close down for a few months, things seem better, but then it all just kicks off again when we reopen.

Naggdefy · 11-03-2020 11:04am

hawkwing wrote: »

You are only allowed to buy one box of paracetamol:o

You can travel from pharmacy to pharmacy though. In my provincial town there are 6 in walking distance. Some people do that.

The Rook · 11-03-2020 11:04am

Graces7 wrote: »

So my GP AND consultants are wrong? WOW
Just WOW!

Even on the anti vaxx thread they want everyone who can to be vaccinated to protect folk with immune deficiency who cannot be vaccinated.

See how dangerous medical "advice" on this thread can be!

And please mind your language! REALLY!

Depends on the illness and the severity of said illness (and the individual).
I am on strong immunosuppressants due to a long term illness and year on year both my GP and my consultants say that I most definitely should get the flu vaccine.

Having said that it might not be the same for everyone so one can't say that what applies to Peter will apply to Paul.

MonkstownHoop · 11-03-2020 11:04am

the deftone wrote: »

Really frustrated watching all this unfold. Every part of me completely wants to see flights to and from affected areas being grounded, schools closed, events cancelled ect....

Watching what has happended to Italy makes all this seem like a no brainer.

However I'm rational enough to know there are people a lot smarter than me advising the government not to do these things yet.

Can someone please help me understand the reasoning behind this?

What will happen of schools close and doctors and nurses can't go to work as they have nobody to mind their kids?

11-03-2020 11:04am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

Michael Osterholm (infectious disease specialist) :

"Hand-sanitizers are a great thing for stopping a lot of infectious diseases ... but the whole issue of using your hands, then touching your face - the data is actually very weak that this kind of virus is going to be transmitted that way.

I wouldn't tell you to stop using hand-sanitizer, but don't think it's going to have a big impact.

The data we have on this (spreading via touching your face, touching your eyes etc) is so sparse ... I think the primary thing about hand-washing is that people want to do something. They want to be able to feel like they're doing something... and so we tell them 'wash your hands, often, to prevent this disease' and I feel like we're not really being honest with the people. It's really just about breathing in air, and that's a hard thing to stop.

So keep doing the hand-washing, but don't think that's going to stop this disease."

SleetAndSnow · 11-03-2020 11:04am

gabeeg wrote: »

Bahrain 79 new cases, bringing their total to 189.

What's the weather like in Bahrain?

24 degrees up to 28 and 54% humidity

tillyfilly · 11-03-2020 11:04am

Northern Ireland's biggest cinema chain, Omniplex, is introducing a "seat separation" policy in response to coronavirus.

No more shifting

Mortelaro · 11-03-2020 11:04am

Hooter23 wrote: »

Over 3,000 die is car accidents EVERYDAY...10 MILLION people die of cancer EVERY YEAR...The media/RTE are a joke they even hype up 60mph storms like they are Catergory 5 Hurricanes

Careless driving and cancer is an infectious disease
This is new

iguana · 11-03-2020 11:04am

laurah591 wrote: »

80% will have mild symptoms - but 1 in 5 will be serious!

The figure on Worlometers is showing that 88% are mild now with 12% in the serious to critical category. Even in Italy where things are absolutely dire the current number of people in serious/critical condition is 10.3%, nearly 90% of confirmed active cases there are classified as mild.

Cupatae · 11-03-2020 11:05am

Very good interview covers an awful lot of ground.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP