Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Ann22 · 11-03-2020 11:29AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

A vascular clinic sounds important, and that's probably a totally different thing from going to the cinema or bingo that could be just cut out. There's also another consideration that it may be safer to go to the clinic now than in a week or two's time.

She was told to postpone would put it off for 6mths. She has very fragile skin from long term steroid use and varicose veins. Has had ulcers. Her legs are a big prob. Easily injured but I suppose in itself it's not a life threatening condition. She wants me to tell her what to do. I'd feel dreadful if she fell ill after attending if I tell her to go ahead.

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 11:32AM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

Effectively said this wouldn't be a problem, not to worry. He may be an expert in his field, but as far as COVID-19 goes, he's learning like the rest.

Learning pretty bloody slowly.

He reminds me of the French generals in WW2 learning about combined arms warfare, mechanized mobility, and the importance of fast reaction and strong communication just as the Germans were making it to the channel. I'm sure the fact that they were high ranking generals made them not think they had to pay attention to advances in methods of war.

I could have told him about asymptomatic spread back in late January, because there was evidence of it at the time. There is no excuse for him being stupid or ignoring evidence.

Boggles · 11-03-2020 11:32AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

The issue with extreme close downs is,you may be just delaying the inevitable
When you open back up its rife again because no natural immunity has been built up

Essentially the response to this is to delay it until health services are at least half ready
There is no avoiding it this year

Herd immunity would require at least 50% infection and recovery. That would fúck us.

Extreme close downs work, what may or may happen is guess work.

coolshannagh28 · 11-03-2020 11:32AM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

He was on Pat Kenny a few weeks ago and this started to emerge. Effectively said this wouldn't be a problem, not to worry. He may be an expert in his field, but as far as COVID-19 goes, he's learning like the rest.

Is a good media performer but a poor decision maker and worth ignoring .

flynnlives · 11-03-2020 11:34AM

identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

This isnt going to blow over. And i reckon im not overreacting.
The 8th largest economy in the world is in Quarantine ffs! Time to wake up and face facts. This is a global disaster.

Funsterdelux · 11-03-2020 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought about this last night. I have been on the islands off the West coast before. I wondered would if make any sense to rent on Tory for a year.

Tory Island, you mean Britain?

😂

11-03-2020 11:35AM

Ann22 wrote: »

She was told to postpone would put it off for 6mths. She has very fragile skin from long term steroid use and varicose veins. Has had ulcers. Her legs are a big prob. Easily injured but I suppose in itself it's not a life threatening condition. She wants me to tell her what to do. I'd feel dreadful if she fell ill after attending if I tell her to go ahead.

How about you wait in the car and have them ring you when they are ready to see her? That will limit the time she is waiting around.

otnomart · 11-03-2020 11:36AM

Merkel now holding a joint press conference with the Minister of Health and experts .
This is her first public appearance addressing the COVID19 epidemic specifically.
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/mediathek/live-aus-dem-kanzleramt/bundespressekonferenz-mit-bundeskanzlerin-merkel-bundesgesundheitsminister-spahn-und-dem-chef-des-robert-koch-instituts-wieler-1729732

DrumSteve · 11-03-2020 11:37AM

flynnlives wrote: »

identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

Boris literally said as much on This Morning the other day.

Funsterdelux · 11-03-2020 11:37AM

flynnlives wrote: »

identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

Exactly, we needed/need to be proactive

I bet Taiwan, SK or Singapore dont views these measures as draconian, they see it as nessassary

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 11:37AM

all about the mane wrote: »

Why not move there?

You're being a smart arse I reckon but to answer your question:
Three reasons

I don't speak Ukranian. I could earn no money there, making living quite difficult.
If the place is already going into lockdown that pretty much precludes moving there. I am pretty sure they would be unhappy with someone coming from a country with an unchecked infection going there.
While this is great that the Ukraine is doing this, it will ultimately be for nothing if the rest of Europe doesn't get its act together. You can clear yourself of the infection and be reinfected by your neighbor.

quokula · 11-03-2020 11:37AM

completedit wrote: »

Was on Davis McWilliams spouting the same stuff. I get it but he he seems like one of these overly rational people who can’t imagine that a virus he’s never encountered before may have big consequences. I’d be very suspicious when I hear of people saying things like “80% of people will be absolutely fine”

There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.

all about the mane · 11-03-2020 11:38AM

flynnlives wrote: »

identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

otnomart · 11-03-2020 11:38AM

Merkel warns around 58 MILLION Germans – 60-70% of the population - will be infected

SleetAndSnow · 11-03-2020 11:39AM

Getting more “web conference” tests from my lecturers in UCC. I’d say they are preparing to close alright shortly. Saw a secondary school student wearing a mask on the bus this morning too, got a few looks but she probably had the right idea

namloc1980 · 11-03-2020 11:39AM

all about the mane wrote: »

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

Letting it spread will cause more deaths and tank the economy anyway.

nthclare · 11-03-2020 11:39AM

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

Ann22 · 11-03-2020 11:39AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

How about you wait in the car and have them ring you when they are ready to see her? That will limit the time she is waiting around.

We have to travel in a taxi....I suppose maybe we could sit near the door where it isn't so crowded. Chances are the type of clinic it is, she won't be the only fragile person there.

Funsterdelux · 11-03-2020 11:39AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s the Cheltenham thing that’s really annoying. The majority of our cases from Italy happened with travel before any of this kicked off. Cheltenham on the other hand is pure recklessness.

Could be another epicentre!

DrumSteve · 11-03-2020 11:40AM

quokula wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.

Not sure what to say to that.

They had 168 people die yesterday.

namloc1980 · 11-03-2020 11:40AM

nthclare wrote: »

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

Please don't. Thanks.

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 11:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

The Italians delayed closing the schools, largely based on kids not getting sick from the virus.

Their own scientific think tank basically called school closures nonsense.

5 days later the whole country is locked down and there is tanks on the streets.

So called experts and politicians are fúcking it up left right and center, lets not be them.

Great post Boggles.

The advice of our own so called experts to Simon Harris:
1. No need to cancel flights from Italy thereby speeding up new cases into this country and flying people out there to get infected which was as bad
2. No need to self isolate after returning from hotspots until you displayed symptoms even though we know it can be spread before you display symptoms
3. No need to cancel St Patricks days parades - they were embarrassed into doing it eventually
4. No need to close schools - even though we know from the Chinese experience kids can spread it without symptoms
5. Stick a few people in Dublin Airport to hand out leaflets

Our experts have been lagging best practice by weeks in every important area.

Boggles · 11-03-2020 11:40AM

otnomart wrote: »

Merkel warns around 58 MILLION Germans – 60-70% of the population - will be infected

No she didn't.

flynnlives · 11-03-2020 11:40AM

all about the mane wrote: »

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

im old enough to remember plenty of recessions. We survived those. We can survive this.

The US is absolutley ****ed. In a weeks time they wil easily be in Italy's postion.
A recession is coming regarldess.

What i dont want is us following the brits. They've accepted mass deaths.

Pseudonym121 · 11-03-2020 11:41AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

How do you store hundreds, maybe thousands of bodies to bury at a later date?

You don’t. You bury them in extempore graveyards.

spookwoman · 11-03-2020 11:41AM

Poor sods that were in medical 7 WRH with that confirmed case are still waiting for their test results

Doctors room ghost · 11-03-2020 11:41AM

It’s a disgrace that the cheltenham festival has gone ahead and I say that as a racing fan.there was a confirmed case of carona virus in cheltenham on Monday but yet it has gone ahead with an average of 80000 people attending each day from all over.
Amazingly it was cancelled in respect of the agriculture sector during the foot and mouth crisis but during this worldwide health care crisis it has gone ahead.
It’s madness.in a few weeks if them same race goers turn up sick watch them cry the crocodile tears.they will most likely blame the government for not telling them to stay away from it.
You couldn’t make it up it’s that idiotic

joe40 · 11-03-2020 11:41AM

Was anyone listening to newstalk this morning? I'm far from an alarmist on this issue and broadly agree with our official response as a country so far. The presenter, Shane Coleman I think, was however far too dismissive of the whole thing. He even talked about a nurse getting a cheap holiday to Portugal next week as if that is a good thing. Quite disgraceful really.

It really shows that the timing of stricter measures are important. If enough people don't take it seriously it won't work.

Gabriel Scally Epidemologist, also talked about the same thing. Governments have to make a judgement call in relation to ramping up measures.

China had the advantage in this case of been a totalitarian state, so people do what they are told. our society does not function that way.

Duke of Url · 11-03-2020 11:42AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Quite interesting:

https://fortune.com/2020/03/10/gilead-coronavirus-treatment-remdesivir-being-used-washington-cdc/

I'm presuming this thing will be the go to help people recover; seems to be quite good at getting rid of the virus.

Just in relation to the vaccine; most teams working on it seem to be targeting the "spike" the virus uses to embed itself in the body; so regardless of how it mutates, the vaccine will target how it gets into the body instead.

Ive been following remdesivir since it was first mentioned at the end of January.

They have already ramped up production of remdesivir

Gilead stressed that it was boosting production “in anticipation of potential future needs” before knowing whether the trial would show the drug to be safe and effective at treating patients with the virus.

The question I have is if it is the turns out successful. Will Gilead release the licence so it can be mass produced around the world to meet demand?

Mortelaro · 11-03-2020 11:43AM

Boggles wrote: »

Herd immunity would require at least 50% infection and recovery. That would fúck us.

Extreme close downs work, what may or may happen is guess work.

That they work is also only a guess
The virus is out there
Closing down will not kill it
You have blunt choices,avoid it with the obvious measures for as long as possible in the hope you are in the lucky third that stays clear until there is a vaccine

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP