Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury II - February 22nd

1wizards sleeve · 23-02-2020 9:59pm

Draw

Lads it's safe to say ye won't agree.

iebamm2580 · 23-02-2020 10:00pm

walshb wrote: »

Ok, so people changing from Fury in fight 1 to Wilder in fight 2...does this strike you as fair/logical, or biased/illogical?

Its certainly not logical, how could it be, backing wilder in the first i could understand as fury was still out of shape but to go against him again has no logic, how can you not see that. Fury said it if he couldn't beat me back then how could he beat me now. I will take furys opinion overs yours, no offence. Turns out fury was right and not you.

walshb · 23-02-2020 10:03pm

Draw

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Its certainly not logical, how could it be, backing wilder in the first i could understand as fury was still out of shape but to go against him again has no logic, how can you not see that. Fury said it if he couldn't beat me back then how could he beat me now. I will take fuys opinion overs yours, no offence.

Right, so...

At least I stuck to my guns both fights. Fight 1 I thought he would be knocked out. The middle and end fight 1 told me that he would be in danger again in fight 2..Hence my pick for fight 2.

I am sure others here felt the same..

I know one very regular and knowledgeable poster, who is a Fury fan, changed his pick...yourdeadright!

I would call his change absolutely possible/logical/reasoned..

iebamm2580 · 23-02-2020 10:04pm

walshb wrote: »

Right, so...

At least I stuck to my guns both fights. Fight 1 I thought he would be knocked out. The middle and end fight 1 told me that he would be in danger again in fight 2..Hence my pick for fight 2.

I am sure others here felt the same..

I know one very regular and knowledgeable poster, who is a Fury fan, changed his pick...yourdeadright!

I would call his chance absolutely possible/logical/reasoned..

Look we wont agree, we will leave it at that, its a message board, difference of opinion is good.

Dunston · 23-02-2020 10:08pm

walshb wrote: »

I had a feeling someone would come back on this..And I get your points.

AJ is inconsistent on the inside, but when he gets it right he is deceivingly effective, and gets off hard shots in close..

I think Fury uses his body better inside, but AJ can land the harder and more damaging punches inside..

How, by the way is Fury’s chin proven? He was dropped by a innocuous punch in fight 1, then dropped heavy for 10-11seconds later on. Plus, past fights he was badly hurt and wobbled...how is the chin proven? Proven to be what?

Its proven because he's never been stopped. It's as simple as that. Not sure how you are not getting it.

walshb · 23-02-2020 10:15pm

Draw

Dunston wrote: »

Its proven because he's never been stopped. It's as simple as that. Not sure how you are not getting it.

You could say that about anyone, until they do get stopped.

It’s futile to dismiss events. Like those I listed...

It seems silly to me that, for example, a fighter who has been dropped, wobbled, almost knocked out, on the canvas for 10-11 seconds would then be considered proven chin wise when he steps in the ring to face a heavy hitter...

To be clear: AJ, up to the Ruiz fight was down and hurt. But got up. I never then said/claimed that his chin was proven. I went the other way. His chin became a question mark for me, and I assume, others...

It still is a question mark. Always will be. No different than Fury..

I can’t see this as being anything but prudent..

And would explain perfectly well why people switched their prediction from Fury to Wilder in fight 2..

They weren’t thinking after fight 1 that now Fury has proven his chin. They were, logically thinking how fragile he is to a clean shot..

Dunston · 23-02-2020 10:23pm

walshb wrote: »

You could say that about anyone, until they do get stopped.

It’s futile to dismiss events. Like those I listed...

It seems silly to me that, for example, a fighter who has been dropped, wobbled, almost knocked out, on the canvas for 10-11 seconds would then be considered proven chin wise when he steps in the ring to face a heavy hitter...

To be clear: AJ, up to the Ruiz fight was down and hurt. But got up. I never then said/claimed that his chin was proven. I went the other way. His chin became a question mark for me, and I assume, others...

It still is a question mark. Always will be. No different than Fury..

I can’t see this as being anything but prudent..

We're not talking about anyone. We're talking about someone who has won every world championship belt available in heavy weight boxing. He's earned the right to a proven chin until he does get stopped. I've already outlined his physical weakness in that first fight. Anytime he's been down he's overcome it and doesn't get wobbly legs. He ate a few right hands from wilder last night like a tank.

walshb · 23-02-2020 10:23pm

Draw

A proven chin is a sturdy solid chin...a boxer who gets tagged hard, and who doesn’t get too affected; not someone who is wobbled and hurt and dropped from innocuous shots..and not just someone who to date has no KO-TKO Lisa..

Wilder. Up to last night had a proven chin? I don’t think he did, and others would say the same. Why would he, for example be different than Fury?

Many had rightful question marks on Wilder’s chin based off Ortiz fight 1 and Fury fight 1..

I would disagree with the claim if it were said about Wilder having a proven chin, same as what’s being claimed about Fury..

Dunston · 23-02-2020 10:42pm

walshb wrote: »

A proven chin is a sturdy solid chin...a boxer who gets tagged hard, and who doesn’t get too affected; not someone who is wobbled and hurt and dropped from innocuous shots..and not just someone who to date has no KO-TKO Lisa..

Wilder. Up to last night had a proven chin? I don’t think he did, and others would say the same. Why would he, for example be different than Fury?

Many had rightful question marks on Wilder’s chin based off Ortiz fight 1 and Fury fight 1..

I would disagree with the claim if it were said about Wilder having a proven chin, same as what’s being claimed about Fury..

They were hardly innocuous shots which dropped Fury. One behind the ear and he was tagged cleanly by Wilder in the 12th and got back up to win the round. That shows a sturdy chin in my view even though he was dropped twice. His ability to recover quickly from getting dropped is a big asset. Same against Cunningham.

normanoffside · 23-02-2020 10:43pm

walshb wrote: »

A proven chin is a sturdy solid chin...a boxer who gets tagged hard, and who doesn’t get too affected; not someone who is wobbled and hurt and dropped from innocuous shots..and not just someone who to date has no KO-TKO Lisa..

Wilder. Up to last night had a proven chin? I don’t think he did, and others would say the same. Why would he, for example be different than Fury?

Many had rightful question marks on Wilder’s chin based off Ortiz fight 1 and Fury fight 1..

I would disagree with the claim if it were said about Wilder having a proven chin, same as what’s being claimed about Fury..

Furys chin is definitely decent. He took several solid rights from Wilder last night and didnt budge.

Up until last night if anything its his balance that could be questioned.

Anyway it doesnt matter, the best chins in the world are rarely the best boxers in the world (think Oliver McCall or Steve Collins). Having a china chin is a problem but once you have a decent chin you have potential.

Morrison J · 23-02-2020 10:46pm

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

walshb wrote: »

A proven chin is a sturdy solid chin...a boxer who gets tagged hard, and who doesn’t get too affected; not someone who is wobbled and hurt and dropped from innocuous shots..and not just someone who to date has no KO-TKO Lisa..

Wilder. Up to last night had a proven chin? I don’t think he did, and others would say the same. Why would he, for example be different than Fury?

Many had rightful question marks on Wilder’s chin based off Ortiz fight 1 and Fury fight 1..

I would disagree with the claim if it were said about Wilder having a proven chin, same as what’s being claimed about Fury..

Both have proven chins and toughness.

The left hook Fury took from Wilder after getting dropped in the 12th would've iced most fighters. Fury shook it off and won the rest of the round. No other fighter has been able to take Wilder's shots and recuperate like Fury has. If there's question makes over Fury's chin then there's a question mark over any fighter who has ever been wobbled, that's just not fair. You don't fight going forward last night without full confidence in your chin, clear Fury knows he can take a shot.

Wilder leaves himself wide open and constantly takes big shots himself and keeps coming. Only the second time he's ever been dropped last night. For a guy learning on the job he would have been knocked out long before last night if he didn't have a reliable chin. Ortiz is a big puncher. No harm in being wobbled by him.

Out of the three Joshua is the one I have concerns about chin wise. He's got an upright, tight style and sees most shots coming. Been wobbled a lot for a guy with his style and hasn't shown great ability to recover quickly.

keepalive213 · 23-02-2020 10:47pm

Draw

Set the b*****d alarm and ended up sleeping through it, disgusted...
Just like Wilder must be today, from what I saw it was over after round 3, if it wasn't eventually stopped Fury would have hurt him, he's an animal.
American commentry brutal, Wilder was well out of contention and they were still raving on about this big punch that was gonna win it for him.
Would love to see AJ have a go, couldn't see him beating Fury, too strong, too tricky and the heart of a lion. Any man who had his eye opened up so bad in that previous fight and went on to win is gonna take stopping. Long live the gypsy king.

walshb · 23-02-2020 11:13pm

Draw

Ok, personally I think both AJ and Fury have shaky chins..

But if we agree that Fury’s is proven, then logically we can argue that so is AJs..

Never been knocked out. Never been on his back for ten seconds. Always got up.

There seems to be a real anti AJ and pro Fury agenda here...

My analysis of both has them neck and neck across all areas...

For objectivity, best to list reasons why both win and lose their potential match..

Kristopherus · 23-02-2020 11:30pm

keepalive213 wrote: »

Set the b*****d alarm and ended up sleeping through it, disgusted...
Just like Wilder must be today, from what I saw it was over after round 3, if it wasn't eventually stopped Fury would have hurt him, he's an animal.
American commentry brutal, Wilder was well out of contention and they were still raving on about this big punch that was gonna win it for him.
Would love to see AJ have a go, couldn't see him beating Fury, too strong, too tricky and the heart of a lion. Any man who had his eye opened up so bad in that previous fight and went on to win is gonna take stopping. Long live the gypsy king.

Same here, but I was lucky enough to wake at 5.10am and made it for the start of the scrap.

Does anyone know when one of the normal BT channels will be reshowing that event?

Ikozma · 23-02-2020 11:33pm

Just watched the fight there now and can't help but think how a prime Mike Tyson would have knocked these two punks on their ass in round 1

Ardillaun · 24-02-2020 12:00am

I thought Wilder would win with a knock-out and am delighted to be wrong. There was also talk of problems in Fury’s training camp which proved to be wide of the mark. The fight reminded me a little of Holmes-Cooney in that the big puncher was stopped in his tracks by a better boxer. Fury is one of a kind, with his height, something other than a classically chiseled physique and all that herky-jerky bobbing around, an odd and elusive target. I’ve no idea what would happen with AJ as he would probably land more punches than Wilder managed and Lord knows how Fury would train before such a fight.

I can’t help liking Fury. There’s a humility to him, and honesty too. Let’s hope he retires while he’s still on top.

str8talkingguy · 24-02-2020 12:21am

Ikozma wrote: »

Just watched the fight there now and can't help but think how a prime Mike Tyson would have knocked these two punks on their ass in round 1

Theres a reason Tyson avoided Lennox for years he knew he would never get inside the reach of a tall quality boxer like Lewis.

Fury is almost a foot taller and and is a very agile guy for his size a nightmare matchup for Mike Tyson.Mike Tyson would have zero chance to beat the Tyson we seen last night and most previous greats would struggle with such a monster that Moves and Boxes so well,its unheard of to be so big and so agile.

Mellor · 24-02-2020 2:02am

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Your going against the law of averages.

What's this law of averages you refer to?

iebamm2580 · 24-02-2020 2:09am

Mellor wrote: »

What's this law of averages you refer to?

Turn of phrase i would use. Statistical principle whatever your having yourself.

Mellor · 24-02-2020 4:45am

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Turn of phrase i would use. Statistical principle whatever your having yourself.

Phrasing isn't important, I'd just say statistics for simplicity.
How is he going against a statistical principle by not picking Fury?

iebamm2580 · 24-02-2020 4:57am

Mellor wrote: »

Phrasing isn't important, I'd just say statistics for simplicity.
How is he going against a statistical principle by not picking Fury?

Man i finished that argument hours ago its messing up the thread so im not going into it again. I dont care if you agree or not. I never said statistical principles i was talking about btw. 2 horse race at some stage both horses will win when evenly matched.

Mellor · 24-02-2020 5:48am

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Man i finished that argument hours ago its messing up the thread so im not going into it again. I dont care if you agree or not. I never said statistical principles i was talking about btw. 2 horse race at some stage both horses will win when evenly matched.

You said law of average, then statistically principles. Neither of which make any sense.
Yes, in a 2 horse, evenly matched race, both will win an equal amount over a large sample. 3 matches is not a large sample. Its statistically tiny.

Flip a coin 3 times and there's a 1 in 8 chance of getting heads 3 times. That's not that unlikely to occur. Given the amount of people who picked against Fury, there's likely 20 people who would have picked against him 3 out of 3. Walshb isn't a statistical outlier. No more than I am for picking Fury in each of those matches.

iebamm2580 · 24-02-2020 5:57am

Mellor wrote: »

You said law of average, then statistically principles. Neither of which make any sense.
Yes, in a 2 horse, evenly matched race, both will win an equal amount over a large sample. 3 matches is not a large sample. Its statistically tiny.

Flip a coin 3 times and there's a 1 in 8 chance of getting heads 3 times. That's not that unlikely to occur. Given the amount of people who picked against Fury, there's likely 20 people who would have picked against him 3 out of 3. Walshb isn't a statistical outlier. No more than I am for picking Fury in each of those matches.[/QUOTE

I never said he was statistical outlier, you are taking my phrase and running with it, i said he was biased against fury. This is ruining the thread, its only an opinion, if you dont agree i dont care neither should you or walshb care about mine.

Lonesomerhodes · 24-02-2020 8:21am

Knew Fury would win won a right few bob as was 100% convinced he would win.

The commentary was shocking this political correctness is gone mad. OK have a woman commentating but at least get someone who knows what they are talking about.

She was saying oh Wilder is getting the right hand ready when he was leaning up against the ropes to support himself!.

Shockingly crap and biased commentary.

Also the ref docking Fury a point for what?!?!

Trying to keep Wilder in it?.

The ref was also shocking.

Screaming his head off stop stop every 10 seconds.

What ever happened to professionalism and decorum?

Dick phelan · 24-02-2020 8:43am

Joshua was gifted a gold medal Savon clearly beat him and got robbed. Boxing wise Fury is miles ahead of him, footwork, jab, head movement, stamina all in Fury's favor. Joshua is a more technically sound fighter than Wilder but unlike Wilder he doesn't need to only land one bomb, Wilder hits harder no doubt in my mind. I also think another factor is Fury has had to do it the hard way, Went to Germany to beat Wlad, comes back after being a 28 stone mess goes to America and god knows how get's up in the 12th round before being robbed on the cards. He then goes and rematches Wilder in America again and batters him, having the belief to change trainers and fighting style to do it.

In contrast Joshua has had everything his own way since the day he turned pro, Won a bull**** title from the worst HW champion of all time Charles Martin, fights Klitschko at home and goes life and death and got stopped by a solid but nothing special fighter in Andy Ruiz. Everything to date suggests only one winner and that's Fury. Joshua is a solid fighter but a massive element of smoke and mirrors, he's a Frank Bruno level fighter, Fury is a Lennox Lewis. If the shoe was on the other foot nobody would be saying Joshua wasn't the best HW in the world, Fury clearly is no 1, he took the belts from Wlad and smashed Wilder, Joshua done nothing close to that.

Mellor · 24-02-2020 8:53am

iebamm2580 wrote: »

I never said he was statistical outlier, you are taking my phrase and running with it, i said he was biased against fury.

I’m not talking about whether or not he is bias. I don’t care if he is or not.
You said he was going against the law if averages. I’m asking that is suppose to mean?

Neil3030 · 24-02-2020 9:23am

I don't think we'll see Wilder again. He'd basically need to move to LA and spend at least two years working every day with Freddie Roach to get near the level he'd need to stand any chance against Fury. And by then, Fury will almost certainly be retired. So if Wilder won't be competing for titles, and doesn't need the money, I reckon he's done.

akelly02 · 24-02-2020 9:38am

Draw

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Knew Fury would win won a right few bob as was 100% convinced he would win.

you ****ing knew , musta had the mortgage on it fair play tya

Bobby Baccala · 24-02-2020 9:49am

Neil3030 wrote: »

I don't think we'll see Wilder again. He'd basically need to move to LA and spend at least two years working every day with Freddie Roach to get near the level he'd need to stand any chance against Fury. And by then, Fury will almost certainly be retired. So if Wilder won't be competing for titles, and doesn't need the money, I reckon he's done.

This is based on absolutely nothing? Arm chair posts like this are hard to read whenever there’s a big fight. Only the heavyweight fights seem to attract this crowd to the forum.

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2020 9:50am

Draw

Neil3030 wrote: »

I don't think we'll see Wilder again. He'd basically need to move to LA and spend at least two years working every day with Freddie Roach to get near the level he'd need to stand any chance against Fury. And by then, Fury will almost certainly be retired. So if Wilder won't be competing for titles, and doesn't need the money, I reckon he's done.

He will be back no doubt,

Look Fury was the better man no doubt but a guy like Wilder can still knock anyone out,
If like he said and his leg was messed up before the fight he will use that motivation and a reason as to why Fury beat him , he will also say he never quit it was his corner,

Your not a champion for that amount of time without having toughness , He'll take the rematch

MD1990 · 24-02-2020 9:56am

walshb wrote: »

Ok, personally I think both AJ and Fury have shaky chins..

But if we agree that Fury’s is proven, then logically we can argue that so is AJs..

Never been knocked out. Never been on his back for ten seconds. Always got up.

There seems to be a real anti AJ and pro Fury agenda here...

My analysis of both has them neck and neck across all areas...

For objectivity, best to list reasons why both win and lose their potential match..

Cant compare the power Fury has faced in Wilder compared to Joshua.
Fury also recovered very quickly from a knockdown from the heaviest hitter in boxing history.

Joshua has got KO'd against s small fat HW in Ruiz.

You cannot comoare their chins at all.
Fury beats Joshua in every department. Even his power now looks up to Joshua's level.

Lonesomerhodes · 24-02-2020 10:02am

akelly02 wrote: »

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Knew Fury would win won a right few bob as was 100% convinced he would win.

you ****ing knew , musta had the mortgage on it fair play tya

Can't afford a mortgage myself, few hundred on Fury to win and England to beat Ireland in the rugby!.

Bobby Baccala · 24-02-2020 10:03am

MD1990 wrote: »

Cant compare the power Fury has faced in Wilder compared to Joshua.
Fury also recovered very quickly from a knockdown from the heaviest hitter in boxing history.

Joshua has got KO'd against s small fat HW in Ruiz.

You cannot comoare their chins at all.
Fury beats Joshua in every department. Even his power now looks up to Joshua's level.

Why can’t you compare their chins? They’ve both been dropped by big men, Ruiz is massive even if he is fat.

blade1 · 24-02-2020 10:10am

MD1990 wrote: »

Cant compare the power Fury has faced in Wilder compared to Joshua.
Fury also recovered very quickly from a knockdown from the heaviest hitter in boxing history.

Joshua has got KO'd against s small fat HW in Ruiz.

You cannot comoare their chins at all.
Fury beats Joshua in every department. Even his power now looks up to Joshua's level.

What power had Wilder in the fight.
That clout in the ear he got made sure he wouldn't be able to get full power in any shot he tried.

badabing106 · 24-02-2020 10:18am

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dougm1970 · 24-02-2020 10:31am

Draw

my pet hate in modern boxing ...these rematch clauses in world title fights...they really should be outlawed somehow. ...wilder does not deserve an immediate 3rd fight with fury after that, a unification fight has to play second fiddle to it or the man who's sat waiting as wbc no.1 for years or interim...its not right.

akelly02 · 24-02-2020 10:33am

Draw

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

akelly02 wrote: »

Can't afford a mortgage myself, few hundred on Fury to win and England to beat Ireland in the rugby!.

yea, i just had the double myself, fury to win in round 7 and offaly to win the all ireland in 82

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2020 10:47am

Draw

dougm1970 wrote: »

my pet hate in modern boxing ...these rematch clauses in world title fights...they really should be outlawed somehow. ...wilder does not deserve an immediate 3rd fight with fury after that, a unification fight has to play second fiddle to it or the man who's sat waiting as wbc no.1 for years or interim...its not right.

There a nightmare ,
What if Wilder wins the next fight do they then do it again ? and what if Fury wins that one

endless ,

fonecrusher1 · 24-02-2020 10:49am

Draw

Titclamp wrote: »

What was that you saying? Who's head?

Nice trollin there. I'll take the bait. So was Wilder KO'd and left unconscious? What option did you take in the poll?

Also its amazing how much insight you have after the fight. I must have missed it, did you make any sort of prediction in this thread before the fight? Other than the snarky child like ones. Hindsight maestro.

And by the way i've never been so delighted to be wrong. I've also said a number of times how much better a boxer Fury is but I did express concern at Wilders KO ability and that ultimately swayed my prediction.

Anyway fantastic win for Fury. Amazing. Completely dominant.

walshb · 24-02-2020 11:09am

Draw

MD1990 wrote: »

Cant compare the power Fury has faced in Wilder compared to Joshua.
Fury also recovered very quickly from a knockdown from the heaviest hitter in boxing history.

Joshua has got KO'd against s small fat HW in Ruiz.

You cannot comoare their chins at all.
Fury beats Joshua in every department. Even his power now looks up to Joshua's level.

You are talking nonsense. AJ was on his feet when he was waved off v Ruiz. He did not get knocked out..

What is it with AJ and Fury. The amount of selective posting on the forum to discredit one and praise the other is so silly.

It's so bloody simple: Both have proven through their careers that their chins are shaky. Even a Fury nuthugger can surely see this? Both have been dropped, wobbled, hurt from different type shots...some heavy, some not so heavy...

Have you, and others seen Fury's fights from the past? Or are you just wetting yourself because after 10-11 seconds he climbed off the floor in the 12th v Wilder?

Both men are shaky....

Folks really need to discuss and analyse these things with objectivity....nuance and detail

Here's one: The shot that Wlad dropped AJ with? For me, it wasn't a whopper. It was a good shot.....were Wilder's shots somehow heavier and harder?

AJ got up from Wlad's shot before the ten seconds, recovered and went on...but, no, Fury nuthuggres wouldn't dare praise this, yet they'll wet themselves over Fury getting up after ten seconds v Wilder...

Wilder has delivered far heavier and cleaner shots on opponents than the ones he dropped Fury with.

And, you can bet several referees wouldn't have even counted when Fury crashed to the canvas....

Forget the two men personally: Analyse them purely as boxers...

We need to assess both equally: If Fury's chin is proven. So is AJs. If Fury's chin is shaky so is AJs...

It's not that difficult to see what I am seeing when I see both men wobbled, dropped, badly hurt several times in their careers...

I will concede, that AJs is likely a bit shakier than Fury's....but both are shaky. Neither are proven for me.

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2020 11:20am

Draw

walshb wrote: »

You are talking nonsense. AJ was on his feet when he was waved off v Ruiz. He did not get knocked out..

What is it with AJ and Fury. The amount of selective posting on the forum to discredit one and praise the other is so silly.

It's so bloody simple: Both have proven through their careers that their chins are shaky. Even a Fury nuthugger can surely see this? Both have been dropped, wobbled, hurt from different type shots...some heavy, some not so heavy...

Have you, and others seen Fury's fights from the past? Or are you just wetting yourself because afire 10-11 seconds he climbed off the floor in the 12th v Wilder?

Both men are shaky....

Folks really need to discuss and analyse these things with objectivity....nuance and detail

Here's one: The shot that Wlad dropped AJ with? For me, it wasn't a whopper. It was a good shot.....was Wilder's shots somehow heavier and harder?

AJ got up from Wlad's shot before the ten seconds, recovered and went on...but, no, Fury nuthuggres wouldn't dare praise this, yet they'll wet themselves over Fury getting up after ten seconds v Wilder...

Wilder has delivered far heavier and cleaner shots on opponents than the ones he dropped Fury with.

And, you can bet several referees wouldn't have even counted when Fury crashed to the canvas....

Forget the two men personally: Analyse them purely as boxers...

We need to assess both equally: If Fury's chin is proven. So is AJs. If Fury's chin is shaky so is AJs...

It's not that difficult to see what I am seeing when I see both men wobbled, dropped, badly hurt several times in their careers...

I will concede, that AJs is likely a bit shakier than Fury's....but both are shaky. Neither are proven for me.

Heres a fair assessment and the question is what would be easer to get up from

AJ got knocked down In round 6 and was in physically peak condition and took a couple of rounds to get his legs back under him

Fury got knocked down in round 12 and was in absolutely awful physical condition and went on to push the pressure in that same round ,

Haye and Fury have both been in the ring with both Wlad and Wilder ,
Haye said Wlad power had nothing on Wilders and he was wearing a head guard and bigger gloves while sparing Wilder

Fury said Wlad hits harder in the pre fight press conference, but Ben Davision has said Fury told him Wilder hit much harder than Wlad in private ,

I think both can be hurt like anyman but I think we have seen Fury recovers quicker than AJ ,
I think a lot has to do with he's a fighter and his mind-set he remains clam ,AJ an Athlete how doesn't like being hit ,

Cyrus · 24-02-2020 11:29am

Fury via KO/TKO/DQ

walshb wrote: »

You are talking nonsense. AJ was on his feet when he was waved off v Ruiz. He did not get knocked out..

What is it with AJ and Fury. The amount of selective posting on the forum to discredit one and praise the other is so silly.

It's so bloody simple: Both have proven through their careers that their chins are shaky. Even a Fury nuthugger can surely see this? Both have been dropped, wobbled, hurt from different type shots...some heavy, some not so heavy...

Have you, and others seen Fury's fights from the past? Or are you just wetting yourself because after 10-11 seconds he climbed off the floor in the 12th v Wilder?

Both men are shaky....

Folks really need to discuss and analyse these things with objectivity....nuance and detail

Here's one: The shot that Wlad dropped AJ with? For me, it wasn't a whopper. It was a good shot.....was Wilder's shots somehow heavier and harder?

AJ got up from Wlad's shot before the ten seconds, recovered and went on...but, no, Fury nuthuggres wouldn't dare praise this, yet they'll wet themselves over Fury getting up after ten seconds v Wilder...

Wilder has delivered far heavier and cleaner shots on opponents than the ones he dropped Fury with.

And, you can bet several referees wouldn't have even counted when Fury crashed to the canvas....

Forget the two men personally: Analyse them purely as boxers...

We need to assess both equally: If Fury's chin is proven. So is AJs. If Fury's chin is shaky so is AJs...

It's not that difficult to see what I am seeing when I see both men wobbled, dropped, badly hurt several times in their careers...

I will concede, that AJs is likely a bit shakier than Fury's....but both are shaky. Neither are proven for me.

people would pay more attention to your posts if you cleaned up the language a little and stopped posting like a teenage boy.

Wilder caught fury clean with a right and again with a left for good measure on his way down in the first fight. both of those punches were much bigger shots than what ruiz caught joshua with in the 3rd and despite quitting on his feet joshua was completely out of it for the rest of that fight whereas Fury arguably won the rest of the 12th round.

When joshua gets wobbled he is like bambi on ice, whyte wobbled him, vlad wobbled him, and ruiz wobbled him.

Fury has been dropped but never in the same sort of trouble joshua has been in.

Fury appears to have a better chin, and even at the weekend ate a few big shots in the first 2 rounds and showed no ill effects

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2020 11:35am

Draw

Cyrus wrote: »

people would pay more attention to your posts if you cleaned up the language a little and stopped posting like a teenage boy.

Wilder caught fury clean with a right and again with a left for good measure on his way down in the first fight. both of those punches were much bigger shots than what ruiz caught joshua with in the 3rd and despite quitting on his feet joshua was completely out of it for the rest of that fight whereas Fury arguably won the rest of the 12th round.

When joshua gets wobbled he is like bambi on ice, whyte wobbled him, vlad wobbled him, and ruiz wobbled him.

Fury has been dropped but never in the same sort of trouble joshua has been in.

Fury appears to have a better chin, and even at the weekend ate a few big shots in the first 2 rounds and showed no ill effects

He 100% recovers quicker than AJ , he remains calm ,
I can't recall Fury ever being wobbled , Cunningham and Wilder dropped him but he was never on wobbly legs ,

walshb · 24-02-2020 11:50am

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He 100% recovers quicker than AJ , he remains calm ,
I can't recall Fury ever being wobbled , Cunningham and Wilder dropped him but he was never on wobbly legs ,

Well, you need to view some more fights, so...

walshb · 24-02-2020 11:54am

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think both can be hurt like anyman but I think we have seen Fury recovers quicker than AJ ,
I think a lot has to do with he's a fighter and his mind-set he remains clam ,AJ an Athlete how doesn't like being hit ,

I agree....

My point was simple: To be so sure, and not necessarily you, that Fury's chin is proven, but AJs, isn't, after analyzing their careers and incidents, seems off to me..

Both shaky. AJ likely shakier...

I can guarantee that anyone selecting AJ to beat Fury will likely be doing so based off an AJ KO-TKO...Because they will be that bit unsure about Fury's chin,....

And AJ is far better overall puncher than Wilder...heavy enough to really hurt Fury, and with far more effectiveness and cleanness on following up.

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2020 11:57am

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Well, you need to view some more fights, so...

Maybe my brain is failing me but when ?
I understand he may have been hit and taken a misstep but on wobbly legs ? Can't recall any ,

You can't argue that Fury recovers quicker than AJ I think that pretty certain ,
AJ never recovered v Ruiz and took a few rounds v Wlad , Any time Furys been down hes been pretty fine in the same round ,

walshb · 24-02-2020 12:01pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Maybe my brain is failing me but when ?
I understand he may have been hit and taken a misstep but on wobbly legs ? Can't recall any ,

You can't argue that Fury recovers quicker than AJ I think that pretty certain ,
AJ never recovered v Ruiz and took a few rounds v Wlad , Any time Furys been down hes been pretty fine in the same round ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiSCI82p-N8

Dropped and hurt by Nevin Pajkic as well...

This is simple enough......he has shown, like AJ, throughout his career, to not have the sturdiest of chins.....not bad, just not something proven as sturdy.

Ikozma · 24-02-2020 12:04pm

str8talkingguy wrote: »

Theres a reason Tyson avoided Lennox for years he knew he would never get inside the reach of a tall quality boxer like Lewis.

Fury is almost a foot taller and and is a very agile guy for his size a nightmare matchup for Mike Tyson.Mike Tyson would have zero chance to beat the Tyson we seen last night and most previous greats would struggle with such a monster that Moves and Boxes so well,its unheard of to be so big and so agile.

Fair point but when I see fury I don't see a good mover or a good punch thrower, I see slow and awkward, big tall and strong yes, good mover and boxer not so much, wilder is just a worse version of fury, I do like fury though and am delighted he won
I thought the quality of boxing between the two was horrendous tbh, like two lads in the playground having their first fight

yourdeadwright · 24-02-2020 12:04pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

I agree....

My point was simple: To be so sure, and not necessarily you, that Fury's chin is proven, but AJs, isn't, after analyzing their careers and incidents, seems off to me..

Both shaky. AJ likely shakier...

I can guarantee that anyone selecting AJ to beat Fury will likely be doing so based off an AJ KO-TKO...Because they will be that bit unsure about Fury's chin,....

And AJ is far better overall puncher than Wilder...heavy enough to really hurt Fury, and with far more effectiveness and cleanness on following up.

I still think shaky is to strong a word for Fury ,

He got put down twice by Wilder and was fine when he got up ,
I'll conceded him hitting the ground probably woke him up form the 12th round one but its Wilder he could do that to literally any man ,

Wilder is probably top one or two hardest hitters ever to get up fine is massive, But then we have Cunningham who isn't a big puncher and knocked him over but never really hurt him either,

AJ two knock downs to date he was a lot worse than Fury he was really hurt after ,
I wouldn't say Aj has a poor chin as any man can be knocked down , I'd say shaky

For my money Fury is whatever is less than shaky but not granite either, Fury recovery speed is immense but not something you want to rely on to many times

walshb · 24-02-2020 12:05pm

Draw

I find it kind of odd how reluctant some are here to even objectively analyse and critique Fury....they take everything that is perceived as a criticism almost personally.

Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury II - February 22nd

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