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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    And when he's not meeting with his attorneys and legal team?

    He is in his cell, like ANY other prisoner, why should he get special treatment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Yes, Stone deserves some jail time but nine years is too excessive, though. As does Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Right?

    Ah that's not fair, Andy said he was sorry. You can't prosecute people if they say they're sorry.

    https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/andrew-mccabe-said-he-lied-to-fbi-about-wall-street-journal-leak/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Oh the hypocrisy. Remember when the Attorney General Eric Holder proclaimed 'I'm still the president's wingman?'

    Yes, Stone deserves some jail time but nine years is too excessive, though. As does Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Right?

    In your opinion.

    As for your little list, if they receive a fair trial (like Stone) and are found guilty then yes they deserve jail time, no on is saying different on here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    In your opinion.

    As for your little list, if they receive a fair trial (like Stone) and are found guilty then yes they deserve jail time, no on is saying different on here.
    Good man. So they all should be charged, arrested and tried in a court of law, I take it.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Good man. So they all should be charged, arrested and tried in a court of law, I take it.

    If there is proof of a crime then they should be charged, after a fair trial if they are found guilty then they should go to jail. I don't have an issue with that.

    Why hasn't Trump asked for their arrest do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    There is no talking to most liberals on issues related to Trump. It's a waste of time. They're immune to the truth.

    What nonsense, you have been engaged with endlessly and have rarely dealt with any of the challenging questions put to you that require you to do some objective thinking and honest responding. The problem for Trump supporters is your guy makes it near impossible to sound credible, you ask for 'truth', yet Trump lies endlessly, you laud his trade wars without admitting it's resulted in socialist style bailouts, the economy is going well but you a blind eye to the staggering deficit he is running up, he's building the wall and raiding the Pentagon to fund it, the contradictions are blindingly obvious and endless, it goes on and on.

    I only know a couple of Trump supporters, and the literally are unable to articulate why they support him outside of a few soundbites which mean little, MAGA, drian the swamp,etc. They cant say it but they like him as he allows them to be open about their dislike for civil discourse, intelligent debate, those uppity n!ggers, minorities, latino, intelligent women, gays, black babies, etc.

    That is the guy you bat for.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    If there is proof of a crime then they should be charged, after a fair trial if they are found guilty then they should go to jail. I don't have an issue with that.

    Why hasn't Trump asked for their arrest do you think?
    Because Trump can be a wuss at times. But there’s still hope if democrats keep pushing.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Because Trump can be a wuss at times. But there’s still hope if democrats keep pushing.

    So dems should push for arrests/conviction but Reps can cry foul (after a trial/conviction) and scream "UNFAIR" when the sentence is too long in their opinion?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So dems should push for arrests/conviction but Reps can cry foul (after a trial/conviction) and scream "UNFAIR" when the sentence is too long in their opinion?
    Dems do already... All but the unfair part because they get away with their crimes. Didn't you know there is one set of laws for republicans and no set of laws for democrats?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Gwen Cooper


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Didn't you know there is one set of laws for republicans and no set of laws for democrats?

    Yes. Yes, we noticed that lately.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Dems do already... All but the unfair part because they get away with their crimes. Didn't you know there is one set of laws for republicans and no set of laws for democrats?

    If there is proof of crimes why hasn't the Donald had them arrested/charged? C'mon man it's not a difficult question, why have they not been arrested?

    He is literally the most powerful man there, he has republican judges coming out of his proverbial wazzoo, why has t he had them arrested and charged if there is proof of crimes committed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    What nonsense, you have been engaged with endlessly and have rarely dealt with any of the challenging questions put to you that require you to do some objective thinking and honest responding. The problem for Trump supporters is your guy makes it near impossible to sound credible, you ask for 'truth', yet Trump lies endlessly, you laud his trade wars without admitting it's resulted in socialist style bailouts, the economy is going well but you a blind eye to the staggering deficit he is running up, he's building the wall and raiding the Pentagon to fund it, the contradictions are blindingly obvious and endless, it goes on and on.

    I only know a couple of Trump supporters, and the literally are unable to articulate why they support him outside of a few soundbites which mean little, MAGA, drian the swamp,etc. They cant say it but they like him as he allows them to be open about their dislike for civil discourse, intelligent debate, those uppity n!ggers, minorities, latino, intelligent women, gays, black babies, etc.

    That is the guy you bat for.

    Obama started the staggering deficits he doubled the national debt. Trump is not gonna over spend 40 trillion no matter how much he tries. And Trump has done more for the uppity minorities than any president in history - by giving them employment in record numbers. You lefties are the ones blinded to Trumps rather brilliant achievements to date because you don’t like his style basically. Obama was all style and no substance. He doubled the national debt spending more than all the 43 presidents before him combined. Let that sink in.

    Also Roger Stone is an absolute gentleman. His arrest and persecution is nothing but sour grapes by the Democratic controlled State Dept and FBI. Sending an armed swat team to arrest him in a dawn raid while also tipping off the clown news network to the raid says it all. The deep state are scum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    If there is proof of crimes why hasn't the Donald had them arrested/charged? C'mon man it's not a difficult question, why have they not been arrested?

    He is literally the most powerful man there, he has republican judges coming out of his proverbial wazzoo, why has t he had them arrested and charged if there is proof of crimes committed?
    Trump as president is not allowed to arrest or legally charge anyone. He's not a king.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    pearcider wrote: »
    Obama started the staggering deficits he doubled the national debt. Trump is not gonna over spend 40 trillion no matter how much he tries. And Trump has done more for the uppity minorities than any president in history - by giving them employment in record numbers. You lefties are the ones blinded to Trumps rather brilliant achievements to date because you don’t like his style basically. Obama was all style and no substance. He doubled the national debt spending more than all the 43 presidents before him combined. Let that sink in.


    I think Lincoln and Trueman might have something to say about that ridiculous claim.
    Also Roger Stone is a criminal. His arrest and persecution is nothing but sour grapes by the Democratic controlled State Dept and FBI. Sending an armed swat team to arrest him in a dawn raid while also tipping off the clown news network to the raid says it all. The deep state are scum.

    Fixed that for you. He was arrested, charged, tried in court and found guilty. I get it, you Trump fans hate to see decisions go against your golden boys but this (along with Trumps impeachment) is a fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Trump as president is not allowed to arrest or legally charge anyone. He's not a king.

    I never said he could, but if he or anyone else has proof of crimes they could have the perpetrators arrested, why do you think this hasn't happened?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Fixed that for you. He was arrested, charged, tried in court and found guilty. I get it, you Trump fans hate to see decisions go against your golden boys but this (along with Trumps impeachment) is a fact.
    Wrong. All we want is equal justice under the law. I know that's a hard concept for the left and democrats here to comprehend, but it's merely that simple.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Wrong. All we want is equal justice under the law. I know that's a hard concept for the left and democrats here to comprehend, but it's merely that simple.

    Why do you keep dodging the question?

    If there is proof of a crime why hasn't there been arrests?

    Edit: I'm neither left nor Democrat, I'm just an interested observer of American politics, especially the shìt show that has taken place since Trump was elected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I never said he could, but if he or anyone else has proof of crimes they could have the perpetrators arrested, why do you think this hasn't happened?
    What, like have Trump go to each of their houses and make a citizen's arrest?

    I think Barr will eventually get around to it. He's not Shifty Schiff who starts legal proceedings without firm evidence, willy nilly.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    I think Lincoln and Trueman might have something to say about that ridiculous claim.



    Fixed that for you. He was arrested, charged, tried in court and found guilty. I get it, you Trump fans hate to see decisions go against your golden boys but this (along with Trumps impeachment) is a fact.

    Sorry this coming from the poster who supported the Mullahs in Iran in a thread recently even suggesting the US was to blame for shooting down the airliner over Tehran. You have zero credibility to any sane observer.

    Also Roger Stone was the victim of the same coup attempt and witch hunt of Trump instigated by the errand boys of the corrupt Washington DC elite typified by creeps like Strok and Mueller. Anti American scum who still can’t accept that the wicked witch of the west Hilary Clinton lost the election because she was a soulless globalist robot with less empathy than Leo varadkar.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Why do you keep dodging the question?

    If there is proof of a crime why hasn't there been arrests?

    Edit: I'm neither left nor Democrat, I'm just an interested observer of American politics, especially the shìt show that has taken place since Trump was elected.
    You should have shown interest when Obama was in charge... talk about ultra sh!t show!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What, like have Trump go to each of their houses and make a citizen's arrest?


    Sigh...its like talking to an bunch of pre teens that cant concentrate.

    If I know of a crime and have evidence I would go to the police, produce my evidence and have the person arrested/charged/convicted/jailed. If the Reps have such evidence then they should do the same, why do you think they have not done this?
    I think Barr will eventually get around to it. He's not Shifty Schiff who starts legal proceedings without firm evidence, willy nilly.

    What's with the childish names? Do.you think that makes you sound +/- intelligent when you throw that into a sentence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    pearcider wrote: »
    Sorry this coming from the poster who supported the Mullahs in Iran in a thread recently even suggesting the US was to blame for shooting down the airliner over Tehran. You have zero credibility to any sane observer.

    1, do you think Trump is a better president and did more for minorities than Lincoln or Trueman?

    2, please show evidence that I "supported the Mullahs"

    3, Please show me the post where I suggested "the US was to blame for shooting down the airliner over Tehran."
    Also Roger Stone was the victim of the same coup attempt and witch hunt of Trump instigated by the errand boys of the corrupt Washington DC elite typified by creeps like Strok and Mueller. Anti American scum who still can’t accept that the wicked witch of the west Hilary Clinton lost the election because she was a soulless globalist robot with less empathy than Leo varadkar.

    So his trial and conviction are wrong? The trial that took place in court with witnesses and evidence? Can you show why this is a wrongful conviction or are you just pìssed off because yet ANOTHER one of Trumps "best people" has been found guilty and faces jail time?

    Drain the swamp indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    You should have shown interest when Obama was in charge... talk about ultra sh!t show!

    I did, I was very vocal in my disgust at the use of drones. Maybe fact check before jumping in feet 1st.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    What's with the childish names? Do.you think that makes you sound +/- intelligent when you throw that into a sentence?

    Not at all. It’s an age-old political tradition that denotes something about a politician that people can easily remember and correlate. Examples... Honest Abe, The Iron Lady, Tricky Dick, Teflon Tony, The British Bulldog, The Governator… And it’s quite effective. You should know this.

    If nothing else, Trump is a great marketer.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I did, I was very vocal in my disgust at the use of drones. Maybe fact check before jumping in feet 1st.
    Drones??? That was it????

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Not at all. It’s an age-old political tradition that denotes something about a politician that people can easily remember and correlate. Examples... Honest Abe, The Iron Lady, Tricky Dick, Teflon Tony, The British Bulldog, The Governator… And it’s quite effective. You should know this.

    If nothing else, Trump is a great marketer.

    Whatever keeps.you hard I suppose.

    Care to reply to the rest of the post that you half quoted?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Drones??? That was it????

    Did I say that was it? If you want to read my criticism of obama then feel free to go through my posts. This thread is about the shìtshow that is Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Whatever keeps.you hard I suppose.

    Care to reply to the rest of the post that you half quoted?
    Oh bother. Do I have to actually spell it out to you? Trump cannot have anyone arrested. Trump can make comments. And he can also make requests and recommendations, but it's a tightrope he would be walking if he does this.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Oh bother. Do I have to actually spell it out to you? Trump cannot have anyone arrested. Trump can make comments. And he can also make requests and recommendations, but it's a tightrope he would be walking if he does this.

    So neither Trump nor any other citizen of the US has evidence for these alleged crimes yet we have had a list posted saying X, Y & Z should be arrested.

    No one can say why they should be arrested, no one can say what crimes were committed, no one can show evidence for these crimes (otherwise arrests would have been made right?) But a list was thrown up here calling for the arrest of the people.on the list.

    Laughable behaviour from.Trump supporters who are ashamed that yet ANOTHER one of Trumps "best people" has been tried/convicted and faces a long jail term.

    Draining the swamp one criminal at a time, Hilarious that the criminals are all his own people :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    So neither Trump nor any other citizen of the US has evidence for these alleged crimes yet we have had a list posted saying X, Y & Z should be arrested.

    No one can say why they should be arrested, no one can say what crimes were committed, no one can show evidence for these crimes (otherwise arrests would have been made right?) But a list was thrown up here calling for the arrest of the people.on the list.

    Laughable behaviour from.Trump supporters who are ashamed that yet ANOTHER one of Trumps "best people" has been tried/convicted and faces a long jail term.

    Draining the swamp one criminal at a time, Hilarious that the criminals are all his own people :pac:
    There's plenty of evidence. Justice just seems to move slower than a snail's pace when talking about crimes committed by democrats.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    There's plenty of evidence. Justice just seems to move slower than a snail's pace when talking about crimes committed by democrats.

    Ah stop with the conspiracy theories would ya, it makes you look desperate :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Did I say that was it? If you want to read my criticism of obama then feel free to go through my posts. This thread is about the shìtshow that is Trump.
    No, it's about Trump's impeachment. Or do you think that makes you sound +/- intelligent when you throw that into a sentence?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    No, it's about Trump's impeachment. Or do you think that makes you sound +/- intelligent when you throw that into a sentence?

    You think he is doing a great job, I think he is the worse president in history. To you he is the fire storm that's MAGA, to me it's a shìtshow that makes America look terrible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    You think he is doing a great job, I think he is the worse president in history. To you he is the fire storm that's MAGA, to me it's a shìtshow that makes America look terrible.
    Everyone's allowed an opinion. And I'll always fight for the right for you to voice those wrong opinions.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Everyone's allowed an opinion. And I'll always fight for the right for you to voice those wrong opinions.

    Wayching his "best people" getting arrested and jailed over the last 3 years tells me that my opinion of the man and the people he employs is right on the button.

    But you keep fighting for this corrupt fool, it's your right after all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Wayching his "best people" getting arrested and jailed over the last 3 years tells me that my opinion of the man and the people he employs is right on the button.

    But you keep fighting for this corrupt fool, it's your right after all.
    Thanks... will do. And if future historians were honest, they would have to give Trump the moniker of being the best US president in modern history.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Thanks... will do. And if future historians were honest, they would have to give Trump the moniker of being the best US president in modern history.

    What has he done that exceeds every other president before him to earn that title?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The only draining has been his own "best people" being jailed :pac:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227958133550649346?s=09


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    What has he done that exceeds every other president before him to earn that title?
    • Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
    • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
    • Aided inn the creation more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
    • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
    • Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
    • New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
    • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
    • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
    • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
    • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
    • Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
    • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
    • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.
    • Committed to VOCATIONAL education.
    • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
    • Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
    • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    • As a result of the tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
    • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
    • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    • Record number of regulations eliminated.
    • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
    • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
    • Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
    • Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
    • We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
    • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
    • Aided in reducing high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
    • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
    • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
    • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    • Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
    • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
    • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
    • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
    • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
    • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
    • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
    • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
    • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
    • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
    • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
    • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
    • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
    • Began BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

    And that was in just 3 years with democrats in the House spending all their time investigating and impeaching Trump. Dear gawd, just think how long the list will be after 8 years!!!!!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    Is this thread still going?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    • Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
    • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
    • Aided inn the creation more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
    • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
    • Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
    • New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
    • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
    • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
    • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
    • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
    • Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
    • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
    • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.
    • Committed to VOCATIONAL education.
    • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
    • Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
    • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    • As a result of the tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
    • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
    • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    • Record number of regulations eliminated.
    • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
    • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
    • Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
    • Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
    • We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
    • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
    • Aided in reducing high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
    • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
    • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
    • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    • Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
    • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
    • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
    • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
    • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
    • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
    • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
    • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
    • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
    • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
    • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
    • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
    • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
    • Began BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

    And that was in just 3 years with democrats in the House spending all their time investigating and impeaching Trump. Dear gawd, just think how long the list will be after 8 years!!!!!

    LMAO

    Copied and pasted from here

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

    And strangely edited to make it look as if you wrote it yourself!!! :pac:

    Points 3, 14, 16, 20, 27, 31 & 53.

    You also missed a few us/we/our/I etc.

    That's gotta be a new low for a Trumper :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    notobtuse wrote: »
    • Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
    • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
    • Aided inn the creation more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
    • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
    • Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
    • New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
    • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
    • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
    • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
    • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
    • Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
    • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
    • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.
    • Committed to VOCATIONAL education.
    • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
    • Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
    • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    • As a result of the tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
    • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
    • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    • Record number of regulations eliminated.
    • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
    • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
    • Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
    • Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
    • We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
    • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
    • Aided in reducing high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
    • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
    • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
    • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    • Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
    • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
    • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
    • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
    • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
    • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
    • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
    • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
    • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
    • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
    • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
    • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
    • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
    • Began BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

    And that was in just 3 years with democrats in the House spending all their time investigating and impeaching Trump. Dear gawd, just think how long the list will be after 8 years!!!!!

    You are copying and pasting from the White House website, aren't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    LMAO

    Copied and pasted from here

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

    And strangely edited to make it look as if you wrote it yourself!!! :pac:

    Snappppp!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    LMAO

    Copied and pasted from here

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

    And strangely edited to make it look as if you wrote it yourself!!! :pac:
    Why sure I got it from the source. And I did change a few things because I didn't want you to think I did all that. :P

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I'll take the first 3 points for interest.

    If you compare Trumps first 3 years and Obamas last three years there was over 1.5 million fewer jobs created.

    More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in their history, because there ARE more Americans. Their population is growing.

    Manufacturing is actually in recession.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Ronaldinho wrote: »
    Is this thread still going?

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    It will be going on for years. Didn't you know the democrats currently live in a never-ending impeachment universe?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Why sure I got it from the source. And I did change a few things because I didn't want you to think I did all that. :P

    Nah sorry, you tried to pass it off as your own :pac:

    And if you think everything on that list is a positive then you are seriously deluded.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Nah sorry, you tried to pass it off as your own :pac:

    And if you think everything on that list is a positive then you are seriously deluded.
    Dang you're good. You figured out all by yourself I wasn't able to research all that AND type it all up in less than three minutes. :pac:

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Dang you're good. You figured out all by yourself I wasn't able to research all that AND type it all up in less than three minutes. :pac:

    Why not just say "copied from here" and link to site?

    Why the strange edit of words to make it look like you had written it?

    Weird behaviour imo.


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