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Storm Ciara - Strong Winds & Potential Snow **TECHNICAL DISCUSSION**

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    There'll be plenty of hail/snow showers piling in to the west and north overnight.

    I still think 5 - 10 cm is possible in some places there.

    Fewer and lighter snow showers elsewhere.

    Some will be happy come the morning.

    Nope. There is a mild low coming down from the north west so Ulster will have to restart it’s snow collection after 3am..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donegal Storm


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    Nope. There is a mild low coming down from the north west so Ulster will have to restart it’s snow collection after 3am..

    Yep, nothing but rain and sleety hail from the current band here in Donegal, looks like it's after midnight before things get towards the right side of marginal again but as always with westerlies it'll likely just be a slushy mess at best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Please tell me, o wise ones, if this current severe weather is set in for the night? I mean the violent gusts that arrived recently. More violent by the minute. Thankyou' west mayo offshore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Please tell me, o wise ones, if this current severe weather is set in for the night? I mean the violent gusts that arrived recently. More violent by the minute. Thankyou' west mayo offshore
    Isn't there supposed To be a massive storm surge tonight with 10-15m waves along the western coasts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Heavy shower in cork city now, can see in the sky where the snow becomes sleet/rain. If the snow line dropped 100m more we would be getting plastered


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Heavy shower in cork city now, can see in the sky where the snow becomes sleet/rain. If the snow line dropped 100m more we would be getting plastered

    Love your enthusiasm!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Got about 4cm to 5cm of snow today before a slight thaw, so we had snow all day on the hills in Kilkenny, currently snowing, 1.2C with a DP of -0.4C.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Sally gap this morning (pic twitter)
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭starburst87


    I'm in Wexford, it's just after starting, these are the first flakes we've seen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Please tell me, o wise ones, if this current severe weather is set in for the night? I mean the violent gusts that arrived recently. More violent by the minute. Thankyou' west mayo offshore

    Windy throughout the night Grace with potential for severe gusts in showers. Stay warm and snug!

    New Moon



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    Back down to -7c 850pha and 400m freezing level for Ulster by 4am.

    Depending on how warm it gets in this warm sector, we could get some lying snow at low levels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    It's a real pity that 'wet bulb' forecast charts aren't available (at least to the best of my knowledge) to the public. We have every sort of parameter available, a lot of which are just pointless, but no WBs for some unbeknown reason.

    New Moon



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    It's a real pity that 'wet bulb' forecast charts aren't available (at least to the best of my knowledge) to the public. We have every sort of parameter available, a lot of which are just pointless, but no WBs for some unbeknown reason.

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=eu&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2020021012&fh=36

    Click on this chart, change the location and the Tephigram will show the forecasted wet bulb temperature, air temperature and dew point temperature.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Just to illustrate how pointless 'snow depth' forecast charts are, here is the latest run of the ECMWF for 6pm, showing most of the country under a slight covering. Now, can't speak for other areas, but certainly no covering here.

    bEqql3f.png


    Nqp15hhu wrote: »
    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=eu&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2020021012&fh=36

    Click on this chart, change the location and the Tephigram will show the forecasted wet bulb temperature, air temperature and dew point temperature.


    Neat feature, thanks!

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭kerrycork13


    It's hard to see any snow sticking the winds are so strong during the showers and they are not lasting any more than a few minutes as a result. It has showed here but nothing worth talking about. Here's hoping for a more organised band of showers overnight. Rathmore Cork Kerry border. 150 m asl


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,257 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The 12Z has backtracked a little on tomorow's low thickness values of earlier runs, now retreating the 516 dam line back westards from Louth to Belmullet. Still some 600 km further east than the ECM.

    At 700 hPa it still has the -20 C isotherm well in over the country, while the ECM, GEM, ICON and Arpege all have it more like -17 to -18 C.

    At 850 hPa it's around 1 degree colder than the others (-8 C v -6 or -7 C).

    Here's the GFS sounding for around Mullingar tomorrow midday. WBT (blue) just hanging on by the skin of its teeth (around +0.5 C).

    502462.png


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Mace Head recorded a 120 km/h gust at 18:00

    I am in Galway and it doesn't seem that windy. I guess you just get used to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Mace Head recorded a 120 km/h gust at 18:00

    I am in Galway and it doesn't seem that windy. I guess you just get used to it.

    So am I and Mace Hd may as well be the moon for how representative it is of here.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,257 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Latest wet-bulbs. Lough Fea (225 m amsl) has just gone from rain to snow as the wbt fell from 1.3 to 0.7 C. Knock is 1.0 C while Casement is 0.8 C.

    502466.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,257 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    So am I and Mace Hd may as well be the moon for how representative it is of here.

    Some difference between Athenry and Mace Head...

    PsMETAR ANRY 101900Z AUTO 26017G43KT 7000NDV -SHRA SCT036/// BKN042/// BKN060/// 03/00 0995 MSL=
    PsMETAR MACE 101900Z AUTO 27042G61KT 5000NDV -SHRA BKN038/// BKN110/// 06/00 0995 MSL=


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,257 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Finner gust 61 knots at 8 pm. Malin and Mace Heads both 60 kts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Showers seem to be getting their act together in the southwest now again. Snow is a certainty for the South once we can keep the ppn alive! The radar is worth a close eye between now and midnight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Showers seem to be getting their act together in the southwest now again. Snow is a certainty for the South once we can keep the ppn alive! The radar is worth a close eye between now and midnight

    Plenty showers near Mallow but of rain and some hail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Plenty showers near Mallow but of rain and some hail.

    Am really surprised with that with uppers so low....
    Maybe later tonight will go in our favour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    So am I and Mace Hd may as well be the moon for how representative it is of here.


    It's pretty much in the sea. But there have been some notable gusts during the heavier showers here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    Some difference between Athenry and Mace Head...

    PsMETAR ANRY 101900Z AUTO 26017G43KT 7000NDV -SHRA SCT036/// BKN042/// BKN060/// 03/00 0995 MSL=
    PsMETAR MACE 101900Z AUTO 27042G61KT 5000NDV -SHRA BKN038/// BKN110/// 06/00 0995 MSL=

    I would imagine the Athenry station is alot more sheltered than Mace head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,655 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Most notable thing about tonight's weather is storm Ciara finally arriving. Wind 110kph here. Only torrents of rain the other days. Now torrents of rain....no snow...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Lightening in North Kerry for the last few hours.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    This all just proves how difficult it is to get real snow from a westerly. It takes a while for the cold air to filter in and when it does filter in there are warm sectors at every turn.

    It needs proper winds to bring the showers across the country and very unstable air to bring a more prolonged section of snow showers as long as there isn't a warm sector involved.

    The downside of the high winds is any showers don't last very long and once showers are finished, snow melt sets in rapidly as daytime temperatures rarely stay lower than 3C or 4C in a showery westerly. The higher windspeeds may also make it more difficult for ice to form which can also gradually melt any lying snow, even at night.

    For lying snow and a decent chance of getting proper snow showers, a -10C temperature @ 850hpa offers a more realistic chance of seeing snow fall which sticks properly, getting this from a westerly or even north-westerly is difficult to say the least with 2,000km of warm seas modifying the air. The current cold snap is getting the -7 or -8C uppers over us, which is borderline/marginal but even this is good going from a westerly.

    This is why for me an unstable northerly or proper easterly are the only real snowmakers for lower ground with a fraction of the sea track, much colder wind direction, often much colder uppers, less warm sectors, much better dp's and the possibility of ice days.

    Sadly we often spend 8 or 9 winters trying to chase down one of these rare easterly's/northerly's during winter. At this stage I would say we are overdue a proper winter easterly, it's been 10 years. The Beast From The East/Storm Emma was more of an early Spring event as it crossed over into March.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Ferocious squally hail / rain showers going through here in Kerry, a winters night if there ever was one.

    10 min avg 42 km/h atm, gusting into the 80's, high gust 85 km/h

    4.0C giving a windchill o f -3C

    7.2mm

    The tide was extremely high tonight, was passing over Blennerville Bridge just outside of Tralee on the Dingle road and big waves were breaking over the bridge tossing large clumps of seaweed onto the road, never saw it as bad there before.


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