General Election TV debates

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 12:21AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Just noticed today that the last poll had the undecided at 17%.

Extremely perceptive observation, Charlie, and one that hasn’t been discussed in detail due to traditional media having to engage in easy headlines for clicks. Which is a shame, as a democracy needs people to pay for strong and independent journalism.

God bless RTÉ.

Remind me · 05-02-2020 12:21AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

Maria Cahill has been canvassing for Joan Burton

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 12:21AM

theballz wrote: »

The thing is millennials have been targeted when this “change” slogan. Not long ago the privately educated kids of UCD would’ve referred to SF as the “IRA.”

So true. Until they graduate and realise having a decent job is a nice thing.

Water John · 05-02-2020 12:22AM

Mary Lou was shocked because she was caught out. Her version yesterday was diff than tonight's. and MOC had the quotes.

suicide_circus · 05-02-2020 12:22AM

theballz wrote: »

The thing is millennials have been targeted when this “change” slogan. Not long ago the privately educated kids of UCD would’ve referred to SF as the “IRA.”

these kids are all born post GFA and havent a breeze what went on

charlie14 · 05-02-2020 12:22AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Did it ? I must have missed that. 17 % is a nice load of first preference votes still in play then.

Very high for so late in the day.
Lot of votes to play for yet.

Mushy · 05-02-2020 12:23AM

rob316 wrote: »

**** Fine Gael. Part of a government who took medical cards from disabled children and I will never ever forget it when they knock on my door.
I look at Martin, all I see is Ahern and Haughey and the next generation of tribunals FF will be involved in.
Sinn Fein aren't a serious party. Fairytale economics and too many headbangers in that party still. I have serious doubts about MLM leadership.

It's amazing there isn't a good alternative it wouldn't even be that difficult such is FG poor performance and FF previous.

This is the most damning of it all. The want for change is understandable, but when SF are the most popular for that change you realise how bad they all are

Hamsterchops · 05-02-2020 12:24AM

Water John wrote: »

Mary Lou was shocked because she was caught out. Her version yesterday was diff than tonight's. and MOC had the quotes.

It was.a real 'Rabbit in the headlights' moment

Nice.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 12:24AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

isnt the issue that SF have so many victims associated with their name rather than victims being exploited?

That's the bull**** the electorate are repudiating.

Mary Lou is now the conniving IRA mastermind? Jaysus.
I remember the hypocrites here on the moral high ground saying 'SF MUST get rid of Adams...to have any chance...etc etc etc.

rob316 · 05-02-2020 12:24AM

Mushy wrote: »

This is the most damning of it all. The want for change is understandable, but when SF are the most popular for that change you realise how bad they all are

Absolute losers the 3 of them.

Itssoeasy · 05-02-2020 12:24AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And both of them made an utter balls of answering for their actions there. It might have escaped you but Mary Lou when confronted with the quote was shocked but immediately owned up to it and accepted it. She didn't waffle and explain and excuse.

It was compartmentalised in the debate and tbh I think it will only serve to entrench those who would never vote for her anyway.

So whataboutism ?

Fair enough you think Sinn Fein have nothing to answer for and the debate was a flawless outing. Many in this thread disagree. She gave an interview last night it seems and it was at odds with what she said tonight.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 05-02-2020 12:25AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

these kids are all born post GFA and havent a breeze what went on

You could even leave all the pre GFA stuff out of it - SFs economics policies are absolutely bonkers for anyone that has any bit of drive to work.

suicide_circus · 05-02-2020 12:29AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's the bull**** the electorate are repudiating.

Mary Lou is now the conniving IRA mastermind? Jaysus.
I remember the hypocrites here on the moral high ground saying 'SF MUST get rid of Adams...to have any chance...etc etc etc.

whats bull****? that SF have victims associates with them? you named a few yourself.

do you think the SF surge is based on a love of their policies and character or a desperate desire for change finding a home in the third biggest party?

for the record I think SF will do well and will form part of the next government and i wish them well.

Remind me · 05-02-2020 12:30AM

Once Sinn Fein have people like Dessie Ellis sitting in the Dail the past is the present

Atlantic Dawn · 05-02-2020 12:30AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

these kids are all born post GFA and havent a breeze what went on

Yes the Nationalists in the north were treated like utter thrash and had to rise up.

feargale · 05-02-2020 12:34AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes the Nationalists in the north were treated like utter thrash and had to rise up.

The nationalist people of NI never gave majority support to SF while the IRA carried on its violent campaign.

Hamsterchops · 05-02-2020 12:36AM

If there's one thing that has been highlighted over the last two interviews with Mary Lou, it's that if she is prevented from (waffling with her flowery language) then she really is lacking in detail when pressed, she also struggles with IRA legacy issues, obviously because all that horror was orchestrated by her predicessor, but still, she should get her facts right as to who spoke to who about who said what about who shot who.

Must have been on a bad phone line to Gerry.

SafeSurfer · 05-02-2020 12:37AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

LOL fuel smugglers kill another fuel smuggler with a ratio of 10:1.

Ahhh that explains it so, let's move on.

It explains Mary Lou’s objection to electric cars.

NIMAN · 05-02-2020 12:38AM

Perhaps her issue is that she is fundamentally a FF'er, not a Shinner.

Remind me · 05-02-2020 12:38AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If there's one thing that has been highlighted over the last two interviews with Mary Lou, it's that if she is prevented from (waffling with her flowery language) then she really is lacking in detail when pressed, she also struggles with IRA legacy issues, obviously because all that horror was orchestrated by her predicessor, but still, she should get her facts right as to who spoke to who about who said what about who shot who.

Must have been on a bad phone line to Gerry.

Compared to Eoin O’Broin who is excellent in addressing IRA issues. Accepts, apologises and understands a large % will not support SF because of it.

boardise · 05-02-2020 12:41AM

theballz wrote: »

They haven’t a clue. It’s frightening.

Absolutely .
What scares me even more is the proposal floating around to extend the franchise to 16 yr olds. Don't know all the party positions -but I've gathered that Howlin and Martin support this crackpot idea. I shudder to think of it.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 12:46AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So whataboutism ?

Fair enough you think Sinn Fein have nothing to answer for and the debate was a flawless outing.

Sigh...I never said it was a flawless outing. I said I reckoned on the issues, it was probably a draw with MM maybe slightly shading it. I said nobody shone, and all preformed to type.

Stop misquoting please.

SafeSurfer · 05-02-2020 12:49AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mrs Quinn was contacted because Lynn Boylan said on Sunday morning that 'people are fed up with victims being exploited' and Brendan O'Connor taking umbrage because she said it.

Paul Quinn, brutal and terrible as his murder was, is being used in this election, like Jean McConville is routinely, like Maria Cahill was etc etc. If SF represent a threat to this state then they are a threat to this state in any capacity, national or local. The electorate are having their say and at the moment they are more popular than FG and FF.

It is time to be honest about this and time to stop using victims.

Are Sinn Fein a threat to the state?

Up to 50% of senior members of the Republican movement were recruited as agents by the British security forces. Often after exposing themselves through their paedophilia.
Are there remnants of these British security agents still at the heart of Sinn Fein?
Undoubtedly.
Would they compromise national security if in power? Almost certainly.
The republican movement was riven with British agents and spies.

charlie14 · 05-02-2020 12:50AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Extremely perceptive observation, Charlie, and one that hasn’t been discussed in detail due to traditional media having to engage in easy headlines for clicks. Which is a shame, as a democracy needs people to pay for strong and independent journalism.

God bless RTÉ.

Unfortunately with easy headline clicks Irish journalism nowadays reminds me of the Buggles song Video Killed The Radio Star.
With The Irish Times/lpsos MRBI poll adding up to 100% I assume that 17% has been allocated proportionally to each party.

If I am correct in that assumption when you throw in the 2.8% margin of error then the real figure for each parties stated preference is close to 20% lower than that poll makes them appear.

boardise · 05-02-2020 12:53AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So whataboutism ?

Fair enough you think Sinn Fein have nothing to answer for and the debate was a flawless outing. Many in this thread disagree. She gave an interview last night it seems and it was at odds with what she said tonight.

Nothing new there -she said one day there was no immediate need for a Border Poll but, on mature reflection following incoming signals from certain agents in N Ir ,said the following day that a Border Poll was in fact just what the doctor ordered.

Finty Lemon · 05-02-2020 12:54AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's the bull**** the electorate are repudiating.

Mary Lou is now the conniving IRA mastermind? Jaysus.
I remember the hypocrites here on the moral high ground saying 'SF MUST get rid of Adams...to have any chance...etc etc etc.

Not a mastermind, we all saw that tonight.
More of a puppet

JohnnyFlash · 05-02-2020 12:56AM

FF and SF government after the election. It will take a very long time to form it, and that's very bad for our place in the EU machinations over the trade deal with the UK. But that's what the electorate are going to vote for. Time for FG to spend a few years on the opposition benches.

Who should replace Simon Coveney and Helen McAntee? Hear O'Cuiv and Eoin O'Broin being mentioned.

Calhoun · 05-02-2020 12:57AM

Havent watched it yet i was at a mini debate so to speak in my local tonight on special needs support. Representatives from SF, PBP, FF and FG, it was a very heated conversation as a certain midlands minister was there and some parents have had kids neglected for up to five years.

Rating wise i would rank them

SF - Knew the content very well, new the challenges that parents and children went through and knew his audience.
FF - One good canidate that had a decent grasp of the problem but didnt delve to deep into the problem but had some very insightful thinking on some solutions.
FF candidate 2 - hadn't a clue was a bit of an embarrasment for the party.
FG - Very rough showing, didn't really understand or take in what was being said only point out all the statistics of what already had been done. The parents there were stressed and at the end of their tether with a system which is adversarial.
PBP - Geniune person with family impacted by special needs but really rough all around. Was like a meandering river with his arguments.

No representation from any other parties showed.

Why i bring it up is that similarly to what we have seen in the TV debates we saw her tonight with FG at least, way too much focus on the top level statistics without understanding the impact from people below. Its like they are taking in what is being said and spitting out canned answers but not really listening to whats been said.

Compare that to SF, who seem to be listening their is your problem. I am no fan of SF but i left tonight thinking i might as well give them a preference when i wasnt going to before. Could even be number one.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 12:59AM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Not a mastermind, we all saw that tonight.
More of a puppet

Cheap shot.

Remind me · 05-02-2020 01:00AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF and SF government after the election. It will take a very long time to form it, and that's very bad for our place in the EU machinations over the trade deal with the UK. But that's what the electorate are going to vote for. Time for FG to spend a few years on the opposition benches.

Who should replace Simon Coveney and Helen McAntee? Hear O'Cuiv and Eoin O'Broin being mentioned.

WTF?

Are you fishing here or do you genuinely believe this?

General Election TV debates

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