Cheltenham 2020

ON ZEE BRIDLE · 30-12-2019 2:29pm #1

Not sure if there is a thread already but thought I would set one up seeing as the festivel is only three months away!! As we all know the ante post market always comes with risks but I still like to have a couple of punts out of interest.Only one for me so far is Fly Smart 33s ew in the Supreme Novices hurdle.Trained by Mr Mullins in the Mr Blobby colours the form of his last run in France has worked out well.Nothing really caught my eye over Xmas that represents much value so still only clutching the one voucher so far.

Daraa · 30-12-2019 3:01pm

I sometimes throw the PP Rewards on silly accas that never come in.

10th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Champion Hurdle
Saldier 5.50
11th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Cross Country Chase
Tiger Roll 3.00
11th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - RSA Chase
Champ 4.50
12th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Stayers Hurdle
Paisley Park 2.75
13th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdle
Thyme Hill 13.00

Stake: €10.00
Potential Returns: €26,544.38

10th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Mares Hurdle
Honeysuckle 2.88
10th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Arkle Chase
Notebook 5.00
11th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - RSA Chase
Champ 4.00
11th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Cross Country Chase
Tiger Roll 2.75
12th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Stayers Hurdle
Paisley Park 2.50
13th Mar CHELTENHAM Cheltenham 2020 - Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdle
Thyme Hill 7.00

Stake: €10.00
Potential Returns: €27,671.88

Morleystreet · 30-12-2019 4:17pm

Thrown a few quid on Crypto for champion bumper (25/1).
It's running at 3:40 today also so it could well be gone out to 50 after that!!

Gavin "shels" · 30-12-2019 5:08pm

Morleystreet wrote: »

Thrown a few quid on Crypto for champion bumper (25/1).
It's running at 3:40 today also so it could well be gone out to 50 after that!!

Not out to 50/1 yet but say it might be by the end of today....

wardides · 30-12-2019 5:36pm

Had small plays on faugheen for National hunt chase before he went against Samcro and also Eliotts nag that won the bumper on stephens day at Leop. Both 33s.

Haven’t had a good look yet but will definitely have a play in a weak supreme and champion.

RivetingRoger · 30-12-2019 6:01pm

Oi!!!!!

ON ZEE BRIDLE · 30-12-2019 6:18pm

3/1 for the mare in the Champion Hurdle is madness seeing as she finished ninth in the mares hurdle last year. Looks a very weak renewal and cant see anything coming out to suprise us in the next two months.Hendo must be doing his nut that BD got injured

wardides · 30-12-2019 6:28pm

Any reason Cedarwood Road won't be going for the Supreme? I saw trainer saying he will probably only have one more run this season and it will more than likely be at the Dublin racing festival. If he went he would be a fair price I imagine, won well the other day.

wardides · 30-12-2019 6:50pm

ON ZEE BRIDLE wrote: »

3/1 for the mare in the Champion Hurdle is madness seeing as she finished ninth in the mares hurdle last year. Looks a very weak renewal and cant see anything coming out to suprise us in the next two months.Hendo must be doing his nut that BD got injured

I can't get away from Klassical Dream for the Champion hurdle with the way the market is at the moment. No guarantee Saldier will go, Honeysuckle will go the Mares. Epatante was good last week but hard to get away from last years performance. He was 9/2 fav before Christmas, and obviously the market has reacted to his performance yesterday but I think I could excuse him such an effort on a sharp track (and the bad mistake), considering he has gone out as far as 14s!

BumperD · 30-12-2019 6:52pm

wardides wrote: »

I can't get away from Klassical Dream for the Champion hurdle with the way the market is at the moment. No guarantee Saldier will go, Honeysuckle will go the Mares. Epatante was good last week but hard to get away from last years performance. He was 9/2 fav before Christmas, and obviously the market has reacted to his performance yesterday but I think I could excuse him such an effort on a sharp track (and the bad mistake), considering he has gone out as far as 14s!

I’d wait to see if he injured himself in that crazy jump he did, landed awkwardly.......

lemush · 30-12-2019 7:16pm

wardides wrote: »

Any reason Cedarwood Road won't be going for the Supreme? I saw trainer saying he will probably only have one more run this season and it will more than likely be at the Dublin racing festival. If he went he would be a fair price I imagine, won well the other day.

The owner is a director at leopardstown racecourse so the racing festival will take precedent.

lemush · 30-12-2019 7:18pm

wardides wrote: »

Had small plays on faugheen for National hunt chase before he went against Samcro and also Eliotts nag that won the bumper on stephens day at Leop. Both 33s.

Haven’t had a good look yet but will definitely have a play in a weak supreme and champion.

Gigginstown horses don't run in the champion bumper by design bar maybe one a year so risky business backing one of theirs for the race. The O Learys hate it.

RivetingRoger · 30-12-2019 7:52pm

Have heard a few saying faugheen for the NHC
Is this solely based on Patrick riding him in Limerick?
What evidence have we that he would get that trip??
I hate that race and would hate to see faugheen in it

If they intend giving him 2/3 years chasing then the JLT prob the obvious one, but.... If they thinking one season campaign then maybe... Just maybe..... Well, ye know where to i going with thís!

Imagine......

akelly02 · 30-12-2019 8:05pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Have heard a few saying faugheen for the NHC
Is this solely based on Patrick riding him in Limerick?
What evidence have we that he would get that trip??
I hate that race and would hate to see faugheen in it

If they intend giving him 2/3 years chasing then the JLT prob the obvious one, but.... If they thinking one season campaign then maybe... Just maybe..... Well, ye know where to i going with thís!

Imagine......

I’d hate to see him in the 4 Miller aswell , gold cup for the Craic !

Daraa · 30-12-2019 8:17pm

BumperD wrote: »

I’d wait to see if he injured himself in that crazy jump he did, landed awkwardly.......

https://www.racingpost.com/news/klassical-dream-sore-following-leopardstown-defeat-with-no-plans-set/415873

Gavin "shels" · 31-12-2019 10:53am

Where do people think Envoi Allen & Honeysuckle go? Surely it's the Ballymore over the Supreme for Envoi? Honeysuckle to romp in the Mares or go down the Champion Hurdle route?

madmoose · 31-12-2019 11:32am

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Where do people think Envoi Allen & Honeysuckle go? Surely it's the Ballymore over the Supreme for Envoi? Honeysuckle to romp in the Mares or go down the Champion Hurdle route?

Envoi goes Naas Sunday over the Ballymore trip and Gordon has been eager to up in trip so that seems Ballymore is set for him should he win on Sunday.

Honeysuckle more will be decided after the DRF, Benie goes straight to Cheltenham reading comments yesterday but even lack of run is a huge test for Honeysuckle seeing Benie is top class. The CH looks poor and surely there is temptation but owner is an avid supporter of mares programmes isn’t he?

NaiveMelodies · 31-12-2019 11:49am

My 50/1 slip says Honeysuckle goes CH!
I do genuinely think they'll go that route too.

Envoi for the Supreme imo.

lemush · 31-12-2019 1:40pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Where do people think Envoi Allen & Honeysuckle go? Surely it's the Ballymore over the Supreme for Envoi? Honeysuckle to romp in the Mares or go down the Champion Hurdle route?

Envoi will definitely go ballymore.

wardides · 31-12-2019 3:11pm

I was thinking Benie could go the champion but just don’t see it working out. Ricci and Willie will just want to win a grade 1, and her best chance will be the mares.

I’ve see people throwing out Annie Power going down the champion has a theory for Benie doing similar, but that was when Ricci has nothing for the champion (bar SM) and had Vroom Vroom for mares. He’ll have a live chance with Saldier & Sharjah for champion this year, with only Benie being the mares option so would say she’s nailed on for it.

I still think Klassical Dream is the play going through it last night, but I’ll be taking 40s ew for Petit Mouchoir. Personally think Henry will aim him for the champion, and he’s not a million miles away from Saldier and Sharjah on recent runs. 3rd in a better race in 2017, with the way the race will cut up think 40s is too big for 3 places.

RivetingRoger · 31-12-2019 4:54pm

Current AP bets done
Champion Hurdle - Epetante/Elixrdanutz/Coeur Sublime (got epetante at 14's so happy with that)
Gold Cup Percy @ 16/1 and Delta Work at 8/1
Melon for the Arkle at 14's
Faugheen for the JLT @ 7/1
Want to do Abacadabras/Envoi double for the novice hurdles but something is stopping me.....

zpehtsfd · 31-12-2019 5:52pm

The Champion Hurdle market so far looks shocking. Top 5 in the betting are all second season hurdlers with none of the highest rated ones looking like they have progressed yet. Given his age and scope i'd say they would be crazy not to look at this race for Envoi Allen. It's a near certainty that he goes chasing next season so why not have a crack at it.

Had a nibble at 16/1 just in case. Roll on Sunday.

longshotvalue · 31-12-2019 8:30pm

Melon should really go for CH . Not out of the question for him to win it. Willie has loads of options though .

stretchaq · 31-12-2019 8:33pm

Price is nearly gone but I really fancy carefully selected in 4m he goes there and Patrick is riding

BumperD · 31-12-2019 8:33pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Melon should really go for CH . Not out of the question for him to win it. Willie has loads of options though .

Having jumped fences there’s little chance of him going that route imho

Motivator · 31-12-2019 11:59pm

BumperD wrote: »

Having jumped fences there’s little chance of him going that route imho

Henderson and Buckley did it with Brain Power. Sent him chasing and moved him back. I know it’s a bit different because Melon has won a race over fences but I think he’s useless and won’t be within an asses roar of a Grade 1 over the big ones.

yaboya1 · 01-01-2020 12:28am

Motivator wrote: »

Henderson and Buckley did it with Brain Power. Sent him chasing and moved him back. I know it’s a bit different because Melon has won a race over fences but I think he’s useless and won’t be within an asses roar of a Grade 1 over the big ones.

Henderson also did it with Buveir D'air, who also won over fences (then won 2 champion hurdles).

BumperD · 01-01-2020 12:38am

Motivator wrote: »

Henderson and Buckley did it with Brain Power. Sent him chasing and moved him back. I know it’s a bit different because Melon has won a race over fences but I think he’s useless and won’t be within an asses roar of a Grade 1 over the big ones.

Yep, and brain power pu in that champion hurdle.

BumperD · 01-01-2020 12:42am

yaboya1 wrote: »

Henderson also did it with Buveir D'air, who also won over fences (then won 2 champion hurdles).

A better example but still cannot buy into melon even placing in a CH

yaboya1 · 01-01-2020 12:43am

BumperD wrote: »

A better example but still cannot buy into melon even placing in a CH

I don't fancy him either, but wouldn't be as confident as you about him not placing given he's already been second in the race twice. It obviously suits him.

longshotvalue · 01-01-2020 1:11am

BumperD wrote: »

A better example but still cannot buy into melon even placing in a CH

If he goes he’d be very short to be placed . Been proven many times , previous champion form Is huge .

Plasandrunt · 01-01-2020 1:36am

Singles

Carefully Selected any race @ 16/1
Emitom Stayers @ 33's & 20's
Lostintranslation Gold Cup @ 25's, 16's and 8s
Melon Arkle @10s

Multi's

Get in the Queue Supreme -25s
Lostintranslation Gold Cup 8s

Envoi Allen Ballymore 10's
Kalashnikov Ryanair 12's
Lostintranslation Gold Cup. 25's

Clan des Obeaux King George 6's
Lostintranslation Gold Cup 8's

lemush · 01-01-2020 3:34am

aidankkk wrote: »

Melon should really go for CH . Not out of the question for him to win it. Willie has loads of options though .

That yolk would finish second in a two horse champion hurdle.

madmoose · 01-01-2020 3:45am

aidankkk wrote: »

Melon should really go for CH . Not out of the question for him to win it. Willie has loads of options though .

Why the hell go CH when he has failed twice and did better over fences last time out, infact his debut was just a solid display without being hardworked when second to Fakir giving away weight, at 14/1 he is a better price ew in a poor Arkle than a CH.

madmoose · 01-01-2020 3:47am

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Singles

Carefully Selected any race @ 16/1
Emitom Stayers @ 33's & 20's
Lostintranslation Gold Cup @ 25's, 16's and 8s
Melon Arkle @10s

Multi's

Get in the Queue Supreme -25s
Lostintranslation Gold Cup 8s

Envoi Allen Ballymore 10's
Kalashnikov Ryanair 12's
Lostintranslation Gold Cup. 25's

Clan des Obeaux King George 6's
Lostintranslation Gold Cup 8's

Sure i read that Get in The Queue is out until after Cheltenham??

Good odds on Envoi though.

Plasandrunt · 01-01-2020 7:24am

I put the double on early September

BumperD · 01-01-2020 9:43am

You’d imagine nrnb for championship races will come this month

Earendil · 01-01-2020 6:29pm

BumperD wrote: »

You’d imagine nrnb for championship races will come this month

Did last year. I’ve given up on the AP market. Had Apples jade and Al Dancer last year all over the place at fancy prices and got squarely kicked in the balls by both. The only one (of 20 odd bets) over the last 3 years or so to come up was Labaik (much love Gringo!).

Sh!t. Fanny **** will be after me.

Riquelme · 01-01-2020 8:20pm

Earendil wrote: »

Did last year. I’ve given up on the AP market. Had Apples jade and Al Dancer last year all over the place at fancy prices and got squarely kicked in the balls by both. The only one (of 20 odd bets) over the last 3 years or so to come up was Labaik (much love Gringo!).

Sh!t. Fanny **** will be after me.

Mon Mome-Leicester City-Labaik-Trump for POTUS quad by the bollocks.

Betfred gone NRNB already btw, I'd assume Paddy/365/Hills will follow suit by the end of the week, once the Christmas/NY races have calmed down a little.

RivetingRoger · 02-01-2020 10:48am

Paddy will be NRNB by Monday on the 5 big races

Only doing singles till NRNB on all races
got burned last year with Le Richbourg
Not letting that happen again

Slattsy · 02-01-2020 12:31pm

Santini Gold Cup 12/10s
Saldier Champion Hurdle 20s
Champage Classic NH Chase 16/12/10s

are my only AP bets so far. I also had Carefully Selected for the RSA but cashed out as it now seem likely he's going for the NH Chase.
I do think there's plenty of value to be had in that RSA market though. I can see plenty of horse priced up going elsewhere.

I think there's 3/4 serious plots lined up; I dont think i even need to name them 2 of them they're that obvious! But once the handicap markets are out I'll do my usual and get in at the big prices and watch them all go off 3/1 fav.

ON ZEE BRIDLE · 02-01-2020 2:35pm

Been told Mullins yard like Rapyapour for the Trimph hurdle 33/1.Rare Aga Khan horse going hurdling.Mullins poor record in that race would be a negative.Thoughts?
https://twitter.com/tayz2017/status/1212352921750376448?s=20

supremenovice · 02-01-2020 6:33pm

What are the thoughts on the Champion Chase?
Too much negativity surrounding Altior for me. I dont like Defi du Seuils bare win against an aging Un de Sceaux either. Plentyof doubts about the rest too. I'd be happy to go with Min to finally get a Festival W on the board. 12s is a nice price.

lemush · 02-01-2020 6:44pm

ON ZEE BRIDLE wrote: »

Been told Mullins yard like Rapyapour for the Trimph hurdle 33/1.Rare Aga Khan horse going hurdling.Mullins poor record in that race would be a negative.Thoughts?
https://twitter.com/tayz2017/status/1212352921750376448?s=20

He only arrived in Closutton in November so that's probably why he wasn't seen over Xmas.

Riquelme · 02-01-2020 6:56pm

Hard to tell tbh. I look at the market leaders and a lot of them I think could end up in the Ryanair

I think Min's trip now is 2 and a half and I think A Plus Tard will follow suit. You can have Min @55s for a small chunk of change on the Exchange btw, which basically tells you he's running in the Ryanair.

Defi Du Seuil has almost been forced into running in the Queen Mother, the Clarence House Chase will decide a lot, obviously he would appear to be the biggest threat. Regardless, whoever wins that you'd imagine their price will be awful for the CC and you'd nearly back the loser blind based off price compression.

Altior is Altior and nobody climbs the Cheltenham hill like him but I'd be willing to take him on, especially if he wins the Clarence. Chacun Pour Soi losing really annoyed me but I am going to retain faith in him. Cilaos Emery isn't the most sturdy but he continues to impress me as a chaser and I think he would have pissed the Arkle had he lined up. Douvan's continuing stop-start momentum with injuries would be enough for me to put a line through him. Dynamite Dollars hasn't been seen in a while but at the price he's one I like. Le Richebourg is another in that boat.

Cilaos Emery is my main bet. I'd fire on Chacun if he drifts a bit. Dynamite Dollars and Le Richebourg as AP Hail Mary's now.

02-01-2020 7:05pm

Where do ye think Fakir D’oudairies ends up?

stretchaq · 02-01-2020 8:09pm

Would have to think fakir is Arkle bound

RivetingRoger · 02-01-2020 8:49pm

The negativity around Defi baffles me..... What do people want him to do?
I'd say he is one of the best horses in training and will win many many more grade 1s over either trip

A class act. Wins the CC
Current price of 4s will seem huge
Chacun all hype Defi all substance

Slattsy · 02-01-2020 9:28pm

No chance Min goes CC. I think he looks a near good thing in the Ryanair truth be told.

stretchaq · 02-01-2020 9:29pm

Think Defi will struggle over the 2m, think he would win Ryan air, really like cilaos emery in Cc

RivetingRoger · 02-01-2020 9:37pm

Footpad wins Ryanair
Defi wins CC

If they both get there

Cheltenham 2020

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