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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    yubabill wrote: »
    Long video, but once you start, you will watch it all and want more;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfyrURHpUcM
    Watched it, then watched most of it a second time. That was educational, informative, eye opening and i'd be truly interested if some of his predictions come to pass. Great video.
    2. Grizz is right about climate change, it's a fraud, take it from me as a chemist.
    I remember this war cry from when i was a teen and that was 30+ years ago. Every decade Al Gore or some other "celebrity" was decrying our way of life and saying the sky was falling. Then it never happened so we got the excuse of the "wrong model" but now it's coming in the next ten years.

    I'm not a believer in most conspiracy theories and i'll chose doubt over belief when i'm not sure. My reason for saying this is the data, actual hard data, does not support it (the climate change narrative that is). We are being fed, i won't say lies, but a certain portion of the narrative and being blinded to the whole picture. Recently even David Attenborough was found to be doing this. He done a documentary which showed Walrus falling to their death off a cliff because of climate change. He never mentioned that this happened back in the 80s and also failed to elaborate on the population explosion due to a ban on hunting and the fact that all the animals chose the same spot to return to to breed.

    The same with the "starving polar bear" picture. It was shown to be a "false flag" climate repercussion and the Nat. Geo had to apologise for their story and documentary.

    The numbers being cited by the UN have been, according to one side of the argument, falsified and massaged to support the agenda of the UN, and the papers which support climate change claim to have thousands of Doctors and scientists signatures, but again they fail to mention that some of those signatories are Professors/Doctors of English, Math, history, and every other topic not even remotely associated with a basic understanding of climatology, meteorology, etc.

    Then we move onto the celebs that bash us for not making a difference while jetting around the world, a 16 yr old with learning difficulties that has never suffered a days hardship in her short life, and bartenders from New York politicians that speak out of the side of their mouths for the sole purpose of scaring the living s**t out of us while using the imaginary or perhaps more aptly named, unproven, claim that it [climate change] will kill us all in 12, sorry 9 years.

    Even if it were all true what solutions have they offered? Workable ones that are based in reality and not on Unicorn farts and fairy dust.
    So the EU is proposing trillions of our money in spending on a folly, including compensating nations affected by climate change.
    An exposé by the BBC [i think] into the EU (Parliament, commission, etc) about 4 years ago showed the vast and i mean VAST sums of money they pay themselves and award themselves in salary, benefits, school allowances for their children, travel, clothing, staff, etc. and as climate change will be a never ending issue it is the golden Goose of revenue streams.

    Then look at how they spend, what they do actually spend, on the "problem". 64% of recyclable waste is not recycled in the UK and Ireland. Manufacturers of products list what is recyclable and what is not and if you look carefully, as i have, you'll be shocked at the amount of packaging that is not actually recyclable. Wind farms and solar power is a pipe dream that accounts for less than 1% of total power requirements in most countries and less in most other countries. It has devastating effects on wildlife, habitat, and CO2 footprint in the manufacturing process is in most cases far more than what the item will return in power production.

    We can do more to keep things cleaner and recycle more, but that focus should be on the offenders and not those that are currently improving. China, India, and America are the three largest producers of waste/CO2 in the world. America has dropped it's output by almost 2% in the last few years to 15% of the world total while China and India have increased their output to a combined total of over 65%, in just TWO countries.

    9 out of the 10 most polluted rivers are in Asia. They import other countries waste and dump it in rivers and other methods which are not even in the slightest way renewable. They are increasing their coal burning plants, manufacturing plants and other CO2 producers, but the focus by Greta and her ilk is steadily focused on countries that are improving and where she will not be "put up against a wall" for voicing her opinion while the true culprits are given a pass for fear of economical and social persecution for something as simple as accusing them.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Hey young fellah!:D
    Some of us old curmudgeons can remember being told this stuff back in the early 1970s in school.We should be under or on a 2.5mile thick glacier that we were assured would cover Ireland down to about the Dingle peninsula.

    Then ,between being being assured of nuclear armageddon,and nuclear Winter[started by the evil Americans of course,],we were assured we wouldnt be able to go outside unless we dressed like extras from a rubber fetish porn film due to acid rain!! Then it was forest die back,then ozone holes at the poles,then glaciers retreating,or advancing,too much or too little snow on the mountains,cant remember which...Then the Amazon rain forest should be long gone by now as according to WWF,and green peace ,a 100 square miles per DAY were bing destroyed,so they must be at the border of Sthn Mexico by now at that rate of logging,which was about the early 1990s..

    Then the bigget snake oil salesman ever,Al Gore,[the guy who claimed to have invented the internet]came out with his fraud film an inconvient truth[or an inconvient lack of non faked evidence] and started this panic off further,and now strangely we are back to the belif in global cooling,as the sun goes into a 8 year little or no sun spot activity.So back to were we were 54 years ago.
    So excuse me if I am a tad skeptical!!

    Now we have an unqualified in anything autistic Swedish teenager berrating the world and to belive the science...I do alright,the science that says this is the biggest SCAM and CON JOB ever pulled on mankind.

    With faked evidence,no logical debate,but plenty of ad hominen attacks ,and deplatforming on any who dare challenge the "settled science" and not buy into the childrens crusade of the 21st century,I see history of the prevous century starting to repeat ifself under a Green jackboot on one foot and a Red one on the other.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭yubabill


    Makes my blood boil every time I hear "97% of scientists agree.."

    Eminent figures have been fired, ostracised, have had funding removed along with various ways of being silenced if they speak truth to power on this issue.

    And the recent reports of "11,000 scientists call for action on climate" was an online petition from a climate website signed by Arts majors, social scientists, climate activists and one person named Mickey Mouse.

    And by the way, if someone has a degree with "Science" in the title, it's not science.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭yubabill


    Rant part 2;

    The Obamas just bought a $15m house by the sea somewhere salubrious in the US.

    The biggest proponent of climate catastrophe and sea level rise.

    If you're reading, Mr. and Mrs. Obama, I will gladly swap my house for your new one by the sea, if you are worried about sea level/melting glaciers making it worthless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Wel Al Gore bought a 9million beachfront property ...in 2010...Would have thought a mountain top retreat would be a smarter investment going by him claiming the oceans would rise and flood out the LA basin as well as Dublin??:confused:
    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/noel-sheppard/2010/05/03/stunning-pictures-al-gores-new-9-million-mansion-media-total

    Did a bit of researsch on the 190"professors & scientists" that signed the first Fridays for future "protest manifesto here in Dublin...Intresting to note,that about SIX of them from TCD,UCD,Trinity,etc have any sort of qualification even remotely related to weather,athmospherics, etc...Unless it is cunningily disguised in courses like "modern dance and jazz music history." As one such worthy academic teaches.:rolleyes:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,658 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    yubabill wrote: »
    Makes my blood boil every time I hear "97% of scientists agree.."

    Eminent figures have been fired, ostracised, have had funding removed along with various ways of being silenced if they speak truth to power on this issue.

    And the recent reports of "11,000 scientists call for action on climate" was an online petition from a climate website signed by Arts majors, social scientists, climate activists and one person named Mickey Mouse.

    And by the way, if someone has a degree with "Science" in the title, it's not science.

    One of the top independent climate scientists in this country(Prof Ray Bates) has been effectively banned from RTE after he called out the BS on the matter during a debate on Prime Time with Eamon Ryan a couple of years ago. We now have to put up with the likes of George Lee who RTE present as some sort of climate "expert" - "clown" would be closer to the truth!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    yubabill wrote: »
    Rant part 2;

    The Obamas just bought a $15m house by the sea somewhere salubrious in the US.

    The biggest proponent of climate catastrophe and sea level rise.

    If you're reading, Mr. and Mrs. Obama, I will gladly swap my house for your new one by the sea, if you are worried about sea level/melting glaciers making it worthless.

    Ah come on...They had to RENT a utter hovel now in DC they are that hard up!And it looks like they managed to do a Rent to buy deal with the landlord.I mean FFS,the place is an utter kip,that needs fixing up,Its one step up from the Washington Highlands projects now.:eek: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/real-estate/news/g2535/obama-new-house-photos/

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Remember what happened to David Bellamy[RIP] in the BBC when he said this was all bolix as well?

    Are we woke yet??:P

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    One of the top independent climate scientists in this country(Prof Ray Bates) has been effectively banned from RTE after he called out the BS on the matter during a debate on Prime Time with Eamon Ryan a couple of years ago. We now have to put up with the likes of George Lee who RTE present as some sort of climate "expert" - "clown" would be closer to the truth!!

    RTE, 60 Million in the red, a clic of brother-in-laws, daughters, washed up footballers and "de man of de peeple" who does one hour a day on radio, all getting lotto win-esque salaries, as "stars" :rolleyes:. I long for the day that kip is sold off and they all get their p45's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Remember what happened to David Bellamy[RIP] in the BBC when he said this was all bolix as well?

    Are we woke yet??:P

    I was looking at some of the guardianista's on twitter when magic grandpa lost the election in the UK last week. Anyone who disagree's with their line, is automatically branded something, a facist or something like that and shunned. Much as i dislike Pier Morgan, his taking the piss out of them was priceless :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Or how to flip your state to being instantly pro gun.WTF Virginians voted these gun grabbers in in the 1st place is beyond me. This is going to get very ugly if the Dems keep pushing this agenda.But if they want a a boogaloo in some of the best gureilla country on the East coast,and turn Richmond into Kandahar Mk2,well then,lets dance!:eek::mad:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Or how to flip your state to being instantly pro gun.WTF Virginians voted these gun grabbers in in the 1st place is beyond me. This is going to get very ugly if the Dems keep pushing this agenda.But if they want a a boogaloo in some of the best gureilla country on the East coast,and turn Richmond into Kandahar Mk2,well then,lets dance!:eek::mad:

    Its the cities that have gone dem, they have the numbers to swing it and seem to be trying to. I did hear Bloomberg is behind it, financing it etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Wouldnt surprise me with that fuk Blomberg!:mad: Trying his hand now as the Anti Trump.Still he is polling less thn 3% at the moment. Be intresting to see if this does kick off,how the cities will manage without power,water and internet and full blown riots that would make the LA riots look polite in comparison.They'll be using whatever of the national gaurd and police forces just trying to keep order there to be worried about gun confiscation.:(

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    One of the top independent climate scientists in this country(Prof Ray Bates) has been effectively banned from RTE after he called out the BS on the matter during a debate on Prime Time with Eamon Ryan a couple of years ago. We now have to put up with the likes of George Lee who RTE present as some sort of climate "expert" - "clown" would be closer to the truth!!
    First of all, Ray Bates is not independent. He is closely associated with a UK based anti-climate lobby group, headed by an expert on 'cultural studies' and physical exercise.

    Secondly maybe his 'ban' is actually due to what was described as his 'wilful misrepresentation' of scientific findings during a report for this lobby group
    Wilful misinterpretation of AR5 attribution findings

    Ray Bates begins by claiming that the central attribution statement of AR5 is:
    It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together.
    And that the statement did not necessarily assert that more than half of the warming is due to human influences. He goes on to contend that SR1.5 departs from AR5 in contending that all the warming is due to human influence.

    Why is this a wilful misinterpretation of AR5? Well, the complete statement rather than a partial lift is:
    It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
    Spot the difference? It’s this:
    The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
    I see no other way to describe this presentation other than wilful misinterpretation.

    ..
    ..
    #To conclude

    Ray has had a long and distinguished career. But that career has been in atmospheric dynamics and not climate. Yes, both are to do with the atmosphere, but when your toilet is backing up you call the plumber and not the electrician. In the same way when looking for guidance on climate change it is advisable to listen to the climate scientists of which there are many thousands the vast majority of whom (and I mean vast) concur with the broad findings of the IPCC and various national assessments and national academies that climate change is real, its due to us, and that our choices now are of critical import. Equally, if you want to discuss the intricacies of atmospheric dynamics please don’t come knocking at my door!

    The analysis of Ray Bates is not a peer reviewed paper and finding substantive flaws in it is really not that hard. This has taken me all of an hour of an evening. Compare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day. I know who I’m going to pin my choices as to the future for my kids on. It’s the guys saying this:


    http://icarus-maynooth.blogspot.com/2018/12/addressing-stated-concerns-from-ray.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    ompare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day.

    Two words...CLIMATEGATE:p:p:p:p:p:p Looki t up to show what sort of utter nonsense that statement is .

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    It was on Bloomberg that this so-called "green deal" of von der leyen's, is going to cost the eu 1 trillion euros ! Thats not magic money picked off a tree, its Joe Soap paying his vat, income tax etc that money.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    ompare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day.

    Two words...CLIMATEGATE:p:p:p:p:p:p Looki t up to show what sort of utter nonsense that statement is .

    Hardly. How many of the conspiracy claims actually stood up in the end? Oh apparently the scientists tried to get a denier kicked out, the man him self says he stood down at the end of his term.. because his term was up. Another that they tried to exclude some paper, paper was still cited in the report.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Actually ALL of them,But the Warmisst dont want that inconvient fact known that They were caught with both hands firmly in the doctoring of evidence cookie jar.
    Why not after all if you are shovelling in the cash for peddling politics posing as [junk ]science.you'll of course attack and abuse anyone questioning your very dubious "scientific " facts.
    Funny that the Warmists will never actually debate and say "prove us wrong" on their research?No,they go into shreiking "Climate change denier" and "non peer researched" ad homeinen attacks on anyone daring to challeng their "proven science":rolleyes: [Same like gun banning loons actually] Rather then let their science and results stand and speak for itself.After all that IS the basis of science...Prove a theory with a result,that anyone can reproduce to prove the result.
    But hey what do we know???obviously history of Jazz and modern dance "professors" from UCD are obviously in the better know about this field.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Hardly. How many of the conspiracy claims actually stood up in the end? Oh apparently the scientists tried to get a denier kicked out, the man him self says he stood down at the end of his term.. because his term was up. Another that they tried to exclude some paper, paper was still cited in the report.

    BTW they werent conspircy claims .They were LEAKED emails between the supposedly foremost minds in this field in the UK in the Climate Research Unit in the University of East Anglica.The kind of people that Govts listen to for advice?Discussing such diverse things in 1079 emails and 72 documents;

    Doubting their own results on climate change

    Doctoring and trying to ignore the Mediveal warm period as it didnt fit the "hockey stick" graph

    Fantasies of beating up Climate change skeptics

    Conspircy to suppress evidence
    And most scary how to deplatform anyone with a dissenting voice!

    As well as conspiring and comitting a criminal offence under the freedom of information acts of deleting files and information when it was specifically requested in a FOIA request.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/06/250-plus-noteworthy-climategate-2-0-emails/

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,658 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    First of all, Ray Bates is not independent. He is closely associated with a UK based anti-climate lobby group, headed by an expert on 'cultural studies' and physical exercise.

    Secondly maybe his 'ban' is actually due to what was described as his 'wilful misrepresentation' of scientific findings during a report for this lobby group




    http://icarus-maynooth.blogspot.com/2018/12/addressing-stated-concerns-from-ray.html

    Maynooth and the likes of Sweeney are the centre of alarmist nonsense in this country - I guess its good for raking in government grants though:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Cass wrote: »
    Seen the headline and the first thought that came into my head was "I bet that is Martin Nolan again".

    Imagine my shock.
    Cass wrote: »

    ................... aaaannnnndddddd another.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Cass wrote: »

    What would you have to do to get a custodial sentence in this country ? Apart from the obvious like thumping a burglar in your house or not paying the television licence ?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


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  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭yubabill


    "The analysis of Ray Bates is not a peer reviewed paper and finding substantive flaws in it is really not that hard. This has taken me all of an hour of an evening. Compare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day. I know who I’m going to pin my choices as to the future for my kids on. "

    I don't know anything about Ray Bates, but I know this - almost everything I do in chemistry is commercially sensitive and done under NDA, so recently, I grew enough tooth enamel to repair a 1mm wide cavity in vitro having read and sifted hundreds of scientific papers.

    The reason I was successful and the others failed was because they all made the same incorrect fundamental technical assumption.

    Last summer I went on the record and asked if anyone could show me proof that a rise in atmospheric CO2 is followed by a rise in temperature?

    I'm still waiting for any response at all....


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    But Yuba,remember,THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!! by group consensus in climate science;) So there is no need to ask for proof .

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭yubabill


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    But Yuba,remember,THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!! by group consensus in climate science;) So there is no need to ask for proof .

    I've learned a couple of things over the years;

    -Science is a search for truth

    -All theories are up for grabs.

    Back on because I've just found this, which has some new information I was not aware of. Knew about Michael Mann, alright, but thought he was independent of IPCC when he brought out the hockey stick - see how they treated the temperature record in a most un-scientific way

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_8xd0LCeRQ

    And NASA/NOAA have after almost 20 years finally managed to eliminate the Climategate "1940's blip" and the Mediaeval warm period for good measure, from the temperature record.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,955 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    The greatest scientists in history are that because they broke with the consensus.There is no such thing as consensus science.If it's consensus it isn't science.If it is science it isnt consensus.Period!

    Michael Crichton The Caltech Michelan lecture 2003

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    A republican politician telling people to buy family members a gun for christmas for self-defence. Can you imagine a fg or ff stooge advocating something like that ?




    Or a garda super saying this




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Cass wrote: »
    Cass wrote: »
    Seen the headline and the first thought that came into my head was "I bet that is Martin Nolan again".

    Imagine my shock.
    Cass wrote: »
    ................... aaaannnnndddddd another.

    Yet, more.

    Less than a week now. Must be a personal best.
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