Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Corbyn will make a great back bencher, it’s where he belongs.

MadYaker wrote: »

Corbyn will make a great back bencher, it’s where he belongs.

Wouldn't he be more useful weeding his allotment patch?

Feisar wrote: »

Here, will I be able to buy cheap booze in the airport if I'm flying to the UK after Brexit?

Only if it's a No Deal scenario

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet the ‘second referendum’ crowd will go very quiet now, this idea that britain regrets brexit and only a minority still want it is definitely over now.

This result is probably the best thing for Ireland considering boris only wanted an irish sea border and now arlenes voice matters not

I don't think so. The public were presented with Johnson twat but government as we know it vs Corbyn twat gonna change everything. People don't like scary change so went with the safer of the two twats.

cjmc wrote: »

Ha. That photo wasn't taken 13 dec !. People out in summer gear ?

Photos of people at events generally aren't taken before the event happens.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why did they keep offering extensions then?? They believed that there was voters remorse and it blew back in their face.

Because No Deal is the worst possible option for the EU. A deal is preferable. They offered extensions hoping the Withdrawal Agreements (May's or Johnson's) would be signed and pass through Parliament.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The cards are now stacked in the faragian vision, we now have a party at the helm that are prepared to leave deal or no deal, quickly and whereas before the EU extensions could be used on a softer position to force the UK to capitulate, its now the EU’s job to make concessions to try avoid a no deal brexit and try agree a deal before deadline day.

Amendments arent going to soften this up and the EU getting divorce money is pretty much off the table.

the brexit party didnt win a single seat. they have no relevance and neither does farage.

weldoninhio wrote: »

So now Boris has a major bargaining chip. Previously Boris had to make a deal that assuaged the labour/DUP party. Now he can make his own deal or threaten the Eu with a No Deal.

Please. No. Don't start circulating back to this fallacy again.

First and foremost:
No Deal is - at best - equally as bad and as damaging for the UK as it is for the EU.
More Likely - much, much worse.

It's not a credible threat in the sense you are imposing immense amount of personal damage just to see your opponent suffer too. It's a mad not a remotely realistic negotiating position.
It's no more of a threat today as it was before.

Second:
The UK is not prepared for No Deal in the slightest.
As soon as the imminent threat of No Deal ceased, they immediately ceased No Deal preperations. And when the threat returned, they had to hastily resume.
They have no more of a visible plan today as they did twelve months ago.
Any of their stockpiles are either gone off or used.

The EU meanwhile has made ongoing preparations for No Deal as best it can.
These have not stopped.
These have not been scrapped.
They've already switched supply chains in many cases - that's a permanent loss for the UK.

Third:
The UK leaving the EU sees the EU lose one of many major trading partner - yeah, it'll hurt, particularly here in Ireland.
The UK leaving the EU sees the UK lose *all* of it's neighbouring trading partners. It can't simply reroute it's current trade to the US, Canada, Australia. The majority of it's financial industry - the single biggest export it has going - ceases to be because it's no longer in the EU anymore.

It will hurt the EU.
It will devastate the UK.

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Indyref2 is as likely under Boris as a Scottish World Cup win. The Tories have their majority with what, maybe a single Scottish seat? What bargaining chip could the SNP possibly have?

It's a no win situation for Johnson. If he denies it, Scotland festers more and more making it impossible for a No vote to get any traction when a Ref inevitably comes.