Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Calhoun

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

For anyone who is cheering Boris's victory on the island of Ireland tonight, you haven't been listening or you don't quite give a damn, you're about to have a rude awakening, the next 72 months are going to be carnage.

Jesus christ IDS got reelected.. Tory Scum..

I wouldn't say cheering is the word, more surprised that a party like labour who was able to master the media for so long has ended up in a situation where a clown like Johnson is preferable to Corbyn.

Even with the NHS at risk they still voted for them. It should have been labours to walk away with.

cryptocurrency

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nonsense, Boris will now bury the Brexit dream in fudge and close alignment and extension after extension.

DUP, ERG neutralised. It's not going to happn Crypto. You needed a small majority.

You've actually not got an idea what is happening do you.

The numbers are clear. the Brexit party has stopped a 100 seat majority but the message is clear and will be follwoed through.

cryptocurrency

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

For anyone who is cheering Boris's victory on the island of Ireland tonight, you haven't been listening or you don't quite give a damn, you're about to have a rude awakening, the next 72 months are going to be carnage.

Jesus christ IDS got reelected.. Tory Scum..

Depends if you are a angry socialist or not.

Better Than Christ

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Depends if you are a decent human being or not.

I've taken the liberty of fixing your post.

Wanderer78

cryptocurrency wrote:

Depends if you are a angry socialist or not.

I'm not a socialist but believe this is a serious problem for us all

lawrencesummers

The upshot of all this is that the DUP can return to obscurity again.

Maewyn Succat

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The upshot of all this is that the DUP can return to obscurity again.

Who?

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It’s dawning on the working class that today’s Labour is no friend of theirs

sydthebeat

So this result makes a hard border on Ireland less or more likely?

Either Boris rides rough shod with a no deal, which leads to a hard border, or he pushes on with his plan without having to satiate the DUP, so border in the Irish sea?

FrancieBrady

sydthebeat wrote: »

So this result makes a hard border on Ireland less or more likely?

Either Boris rides rough shod with a no deal, which leads to a hard border, or he pushes on with his plan without having to satiate the DUP, so border in the Irish sea?

Border in the Irish Sea to begin with. If the ultimate result wanted by Johnson is No Deal, then anything can happen.

The good thing, but it's a long term wait, is that the Tories now own Brexit. They will reap what they sow there.
All the opposition need to do is wait in the long grass.

iebamm2580

Brexit will turn out good for the uk in the long run.

Boggles

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Brexit will turn out good for the uk in the long run.

The UK may not exist in it's current form in the long run.

Igotadose

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Brexit will turn out good for the uk in the long run.

Rees-Mogg said 50 years. How long is your long run.

Brexit in no way will be good. Ever.

iebamm2580

We'll see, pointless argument for the time being.

Boggles

iebamm2580 wrote: »

We'll see, pointless argument for the time being.

A far more important aspect I think we will all agree.

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VinLieger

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Border in the Irish Sea to begin with. If the ultimate result wanted by Johnson is No Deal, then anything can happen.

The good thing, but it's a long term wait, is that the Tories now own Brexit. They will reap what they sow there.
All the opposition need to do is wait in the long grass.

Thats if momentum don't **** the bed after corbyn leaves and stupidly split the labour party

ebbsy

Corbyn was no use. He couldn't give a proper commitment on Brexit.

And who would vote for that.

MadYaker

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You've actually not got an idea what is happening do you.

The numbers are clear. the Brexit party has stopped a 100 seat majority but the message is clear and will be follwoed through.

I think it’s you who lacks understanding. The lack of a conservative majority was not preventing brexit and the majority won’t make brexit much easier to deliver. You must have forgotten about half of the Tory MPs rebelling when Johnson tried to push for a hard brexit. So since a hard brexit is out he must negotiate a deal when he has no bargaining power with the EU and must get said deal through a very divided parliament. The conservatives may have a majority but they are still divided on what sort of a deal they want. It’s not going to be easy or quick but Boris probably has the best chance of any PM so far to actually deliver brexit.

If you can see a clear roadmap to brexit in the near future I’d love to see you spell it out for us. You seem to think it’s all over bar the shouting but this is just beginning.

biko

UK - people gets to vote on EU
People - votes for Brexit
Left - we need another vote
Election - Tory wins by landslide
Left - toys everywhere

First Up

sydthebeat wrote:

Either Boris rides rough shod with a no deal, which leads to a hard border, or he pushes on with his plan without having to satiate the DUP, so border in the Irish sea?

Yesterday's vote gives Boris a mandate to push through the exit terms the EU gave him. That sorts the Irish border for now.

It also gives him scope to push through with the Brexit in Name Only future arrangements that the EU will give him next and that UK industry demands.

Good outcome. Bring out more flags. I'd worry about Scotland though.

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

UK - people gets to vote on EU
People - votes for Brexit
Left - we need another vote
Election - Tory wins by landslide
Left - toys everywhere

I bet the ‘second referendum’ crowd will go very quiet now, this idea that britain regrets brexit and only a minority still want it is definitely over now.

This result is probably the best thing for Ireland considering boris only wanted an irish sea border and now arlenes voice matters not

MadYaker

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet the ‘second referendum’ crowd will go very quiet now, this idea that britain regrets brexit and only a minority still want it is definitely over now.

This result is probably the best thing for Ireland considering boris only wanted an irish sea border and now arlenes voice matters not

Is it though. If you add up all the people who voted for torys and brexit party it’s less than 50% of the votes, the joys of the first past the post system. There was also a massive anti Corbyn sentiment contributing to the conservative vote. The reality is they are still hugely divided on brexit although I suspect that at this point most just want it to end one way or another, I certainly do anyway but I think we’re still on for several more years of this. At least the DUP are out of the picture.

FunLover18

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet the ‘second referendum’ crowd will go very quiet now, this idea that britain regrets brexit and only a minority still want it is definitely over now.

This result is probably the best thing for Ireland considering boris only wanted an irish sea border and now arlenes voice matters not

There's no question that Tories now have a clear mandate to get it done and any movement for a second referendum has been quashed but I suspect a lot of people voted "to get Brexit done" because they're fed up with it rather than out of any actual desire for the end result.

weldoninhio

sydthebeat wrote: »

So this result makes a hard border on Ireland less or more likely?

Either Boris rides rough shod with a no deal, which leads to a hard border, or he pushes on with his plan without having to satiate the DUP, so border in the Irish sea?

Gives Boris a massive bargaining chip going back into negotiations with the EU. I'd say they are sick this morning. Trying to push the UK into a second vote because the first one didn't go the EU's way. The people have spoken, Brexit means Brexit. Boris can say, give us a tariff free trade agreement, or we'll leave without a deal and you can stick up a hard border, which no one in Ireland or the EU wants.

TwoMonthsOff

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet the ‘second referendum’ crowd will go very quiet now, this idea that britain regrets brexit and only a minority still want it is definitely over now.

This result is probably the best thing for Ireland considering boris only wanted an irish sea border and now arlenes voice matters not

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Boggles

FunLover18 wrote: »

There's no question that Tories now have a clear mandate to get it done and any movement for a second referendum has been quashed but I suspect a lot of people voted "to get Brexit done" because they're fed up with it rather than out of any actual desire for the end result.

Nail on the head.

Corbyn also was made to look toxic, a lot of his own doing but there was undoubtable a sustained and orchestrated on attack on him by some sections of the media.

It is scary in this day and age that the red tops are still King makers in England and Wales.

Feisar

Here, will I be able to buy cheap booze in the airport if I'm flying to the UK after Brexit?

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

Gives Boris a massive bargaining chip going back into negotiations with the EU. I'd say they are sick this morning. Trying to push the UK into a second vote because the first one didn't go the EU's way. The people have spoken, Brexit means Brexit. Boris can say, give us a tariff free trade agreement, or we'll leave without a deal and you can stick up a hard border, which no one in Ireland or the EU wants.

The deal is done.

All conservative candidates signed up for it for pre-election AFAIK.

There is certain extensions the UK can apply for, but that was always up to them.

The reality is many in the EU are relived there is some what of a clear path forward.

First Up

weldoninhio wrote:

Gives Boris a massive bargaining chip going back into negotiations with the EU. I'd say they are sick this morning. Trying to push the UK into a second vote because the first one didn't go the EU's way. The people have spoken, Brexit means Brexit. Boris can say, give us a tariff free trade agreement, or we'll leave without a deal and you can stick up a hard border, which no one in Ireland or the EU wants.

It allows Boris to get parliament to rubber stamp the exit deal the EU gave him.

As long as the Tories don't disintegrate over that (they might) it will also allow him rubber stamp the new arrangements the EU will give him.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Gives Boris a massive bargaining chip going back into negotiations with the EU. I'd say they are sick this morning. Trying to push the UK into a second vote because the first one didn't go the EU's way. The people have spoken, Brexit means Brexit. Boris can say, give us a tariff free trade agreement, or we'll leave without a deal and you can stick up a hard border, which no one in Ireland or the EU wants.

I'd say the EU are delighted. And they didn't try to push the UK into a second vote.

Johnson has made it clear that NI is a secondary concern and since a border in the Irish sea works better for England, that's what will happen. I don't buy for a second that he's happy with no deal.