Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Balanadan

They're sending MEPs to Europe to pocket our money while turning their backs and acting the bollocks.

The door is open, why are they taking so long to leave?

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endacl

Because they want their choice to be somebody else’s fault.

Tell me how

It's complicated.

Anyone who thinks it's straightforward (or that any future relationship won't be impacted by this phase) doesn't understand the subject.

The One Doctor

endacl wrote: »

Because they want their choice to be somebody else’s fault.

This. The British are well known for blaming others for their treaty breaking. And they'll blame us.

I would not be surprised if civil war erupts in the UK, and not just in NI.

TheValeyard

The One Doctor wrote: »

This. The British are well known for blaming others for their treaty breaking. And they'll blame us.

I would not be surprised if civil war erupts in the UK, and not just in NI.

Kidchameleon

The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now and another nail would be in the EU's coffin. Roll on Oct 31's here's hoping for a hard Brexit, screw the border, the EU must crumble quicky at any cost.

Carry

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The EU are a disgrace, ...

How so?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Roll on Oct 31's here's hoping for a hard Brexit, screw the border, the EU must crumble quicky at any cost.

Why?

mulbot

Since when has there been an EU anthem?

ancapailldorcha

I don't see how they can leave to be honest. The scale of what they have to do, the regulatory bodies they have to create from scratch, the legislation. It's like how a honey bee's sting causes it to rip out its own internal organs.

ILoveYourVibes

mulbot wrote: »

Since when has there been an EU anthem?

1824

In 1785 Friedrich Schiller wrote the poem "An die Freude'' as a celebration of the brotherhood of man. In 1824 Beethoven wrote the music.

Its a celebration of peace and the brotherhood of man. Both the poet and the composer wanted it to be a gift to people. "This kiss to the entire world"
The poem talking of Joy being the motivator.

It's lyrics are about running to the goal of being united with joy being our motivator.

Joy will embrace everyone. And we will all be brothers and sisters.

It was adopted in 1972.



The alternative title is ''all men shall be brothers. ''


It's refrain is 'All men shall be brothers'.

Brexiters of course have turned their backs on Beethoven!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/02/brexit-party-meps-turn-their-backs-european-anthem-ode-to-joy

TheValeyard

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now and another nail would be in the EU's coffin. Roll on Oct 31's here's hoping for a hard Brexit, screw the border, the EU must crumble quicky at any cost.

I'm reading this post in Sammy Wilsons voice.

squawker

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'm reading this post in Sammy Wilsons voice.

Sammy is too busy letting it all hang out on holidays around this time of year

Balanadan

Balanadan wrote: »

They're sending MEPs to Europe to pocket our money while turning their backs and acting the bollocks.

The door is open, why are they taking so long to leave?

I remember years ago going to see John O'Conor play Beethoven's piano stuff in the NCH. It was great while it lasted. However, by the time John came back for a fifth round of applause at the end I'd say I wasn't the only one thinking "Oh fúck, not another one". Likewise with Brexit: world-beating attention-seeking drama queens. And that's an ineffably kinder description than they deserve.

Elemonator

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now and another nail would be in the EU's coffin. Roll on Oct 31's here's hoping for a hard Brexit, screw the border, the EU must crumble quicky at any cost.

The biggest argument against democracy is the common voter...

Kidchameleon

Carry wrote: »

How so?



Why?

Simple, it does not care about democracy. I used to be pro EU by the way.

steddyeddy

Tell me how wrote: »

It's complicated.

Anyone who thinks it's straightforward (or that any future relationship won't be impacted by this phase) doesn't understand the subject.

In other words anyone who voted for Brexit.

branie2

It's going on for too long now

Kidchameleon

branie2 wrote: »

It's going on for too long now

The puppet masters put a remainer in charge for that very reason. If someone with some balls had been at the helm the brits would have long left by now. Tell the EU "your deal is terrible, give us a better one or we leave with none at all. Oh and by the way we will be keeping our 39 billion, bye" thats how it should have gone. None of the scaremongering would have come to pass

Atlantic Dawn

Boris J will make it all ok, lol.

Tell me how

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The puppet masters put a remainer in charge for that very reason. If someone with some balls had been at the helm the brits would have long left by now. Tell the EU "your deal is terrible, give us a better one or we leave with none at all. Oh and by the way we will be keeping our 39 billion, bye" thats how it should have gone. None of the scaremongering would have come to pass

Here's why that is BS.

The UK negotiated the deal in the WA over several months. They proposed backstop solution.
The 39B is money already owed, it's not a fee or anything like that.

If this was an individual divorce, it would be comparable if there were only about 200 people in the world, you were going to have to live beside your ex after ye have separated and look after children ye had together and you didn't owe them any money (which you admitted you owed) at the time of divorce.

Now, in that scenario, how conducive would it be to having a healthy future relationship (with anyone) if everyone was watching as you refused to pay your debt, reneged on any deal and was just screaming 'I want, I want, I want'? Remember, there are only 200 or so people in the entire world (representing number of countries in real life) and you can't just pack your bags and move, you have to stay living in the same house, in the same corner of the estate you've been in all your life.

That's why everyone is talking about the UK looking for unicorns, what they want (and what you've suggested they do) is magical make belief, in the real world.

Kidchameleon

Your "comparable situation" makes no sense despite re-reading it several times

Also, there are a number of reasons why there is no need to pay the divorce bill. Even if they had to pay it, a PM with any balls would just walk away from it.

Tell me how

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Your "comparable situation" makes no sense despite re-reading it several times

Also, there are a number of reasons why there is no need to pay the divorce bill. Even if they had to pay it, a PM with any balls would just walk away from it.

I'll refer you to my earlier post then.

Tell me how wrote: »

It's complicated.

Anyone who thinks it's straightforward (or that any future relationship won't be impacted by this phase) doesn't understand the subject.

lawred2

Yeah all that's needed is more balls

Kidchameleon

Its not complicated at all. The people voted to leave so leave in March and deal with the fallout (if any) after.

We voted no to Lisbon so the answer is no, end of. It is the EU who drags their feet on this stuff, there are plenty of examples

Kidchameleon

lawred2 wrote: »

Yeah all that's needed is more balls

Im glad the next PM will be a man.

Tell me how

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Im glad the next PM will be a man.

Come on, you can do better than that to try to rise people.
That's senior enfants level of trolling.
I am sure you can do better. I believe in you!

lawred2

Tell me how wrote: »

Come on, you can do better than that to try to rise people.
That's senior enfants level of trolling.
I am sure you can do better. I believe in you!

I don't

Kidchameleon

Tell me how wrote: »

Come on, you can do better than that to try to rise people.
That's senior enfants level of trolling.
I am sure you can do better. I believe in you!

No sorry I worded it wrong. I mean, a woman will generally be more agreeable than a man. That is one of the reasons I think May failed. A male PM will be less likley to put up with the EU's bs. I'm not trolling, I'm talking about well established personality traits between the sexes.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The puppet masters put a remainer in charge for that very reason. If someone with some balls had been at the helm the brits would have long left by now. Tell the EU "your deal is terrible, give us a better one or we leave with none at all. Oh and by the way we will be keeping our 39 billion, bye" thats how it should have gone. None of the scaremongering would have come to pass

Do you have any idea what that would mean for the British economy? How do you think the EU would respond?

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No sorry I worded it wrong. I mean, a woman will generally be more agreeable than a man. That is one of the reasons I think May failed. A male PM will be less likley to put up with the EU's bs. I'm not trolling, I'm talking about well established personality traits between the sexes.

Okay
Angela Merkel says "guten tag"

Sonics2k

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No sorry I worded it wrong. I mean, a woman will generally be more agreeable than a man. That is one of the reasons I think May failed. A male PM will be less likley to put up with the EU's bs. I'm not trolling, I'm talking about well established personality traits between the sexes.

Wait, you think some one like Boris Johnson is more responsible and tough thinking than Theresa May? I have no love for May, but you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that's true.

I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the EU? The MEP's are voted in, the vast majority of things the EU has done have been very beneficial to Ireland and the Irish people.

Most of the bad things that have happened here are directly the fault of our own Government.

Kidchameleon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Okay
Angela Merkel says "guten tag"

Of course there are outliers but May is not one of them. Her tears in front of #10 are proof of this. You would never see Merkel do that.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Of course there are outliers but May is not one of them. Her tears in front of #10 are proof of this. You would never see Merkel do that.

Hillary says "Howdy"

Kidchameleon

Sonics2k wrote: »

Wait, you think some one like Boris Johnson is more responsible and tough thinking than Theresa May? I have no love for May, but you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that's true.

I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the EU? The MEP's are voted in, the vast majority of things the EU has done have been very beneficial to Ireland and the Irish people.

Most of the bad things that have happened here are directly the fault of our own Government.

Boris would not be my first choice but he has better negotiation skills than May. I dont like the EU because they do not respect democracy. The MEP's are there only for show, it is the unelected scumbags that are the real problem.

Kidchameleon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hillary says "Howdy"

Hillary who?

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boris would not be my first choice but he has better negotiation skills than May. I dont like the EU because they do not respect democracy. The MEP's are there only for show, it is the unelected scumbags that are the real problem.

Where is your evidence that he is a better negotiator?

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Hillary who?

Nancy Pelosi says "Hi there"
Carrie Lamb says "Ni Hao"

ancapailldorcha

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boris would not be my first choice but he has better negotiation skills than May. I dont like the EU because they do not respect democracy. The MEP's are there only for show, it is the unelected scumbags that are the real problem.

Do you have anything to say that's more meaningful than these facile soundbytes?

Arlene Foster says "No"


Want to still say that women leaders are easier pushovers than the men?

lawred2

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No sorry I worded it wrong. I mean, a woman will generally be more agreeable than a man. That is one of the reasons I think May failed. A male PM will be less likley to put up with the EU's bs. I'm not trolling, I'm talking about well established personality traits between the sexes.

any chance of some examples?

SexBobomb

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Your "comparable situation" makes no sense despite re-reading it several times

Also, there are a number of reasons why there is no need to pay the divorce bill. Even if they had to pay it, a PM with any balls would just walk away from it.

Then their "word" and signature on any future agreements or deals would be worthless, how could anyone trust them or agree on deals with them if they just walk away from bills they owe ?

lawred2

SexBobomb wrote: »

Then their "word" and signature on any future agreements or deals would be worthless, how could anyone trust them or agree on deals wit them if they just walk away from bills they owe ?

yeah but you're forgetting balls

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

yeah but you're forgetting balls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsoSVdJikDw

Sonics2k

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boris would not be my first choice but he has better negotiation skills than May. I dont like the EU because they do not respect democracy. The MEP's are there only for show, it is the unelected scumbags that are the real problem.

No disrespect here, but this is very much a soundbyte.

How is Boris a better negotiator? What negotiating has he done?

Explain the EU not respecting democracy? I suspect you'll mention the Lisbon Treaty, but I think you should really read up on the difference between the two votes we had, as the conditions were very different in both.

Kidchameleon

Sonics2k wrote: »

I suspect you'll mention the Lisbon Treaty, but I think you should really read up on the difference between the two votes we had, as the conditions were very different in both.

I am very well versed on the Lisbon situation. It was the wrong answer the first time so it was run again. It was essentially the same treaty the second time, and yes I know there were minuscule differences.

Sonics2k

Sonics2k wrote: »

No disrespect here, but this is very much a soundbyte.

How is Boris a better negotiator? What negotiating has he done?

Explain the EU not respecting democracy? I suspect you'll mention the Lisbon Treaty, but I think you should really read up on the difference between the two votes we had, as the conditions were very different in both.

What did he negotiate as Foreign Secretary?

Kidchameleon

SexBobomb wrote: »

Then their "word" and signature on any future agreements or deals would be worthless, how could anyone trust them or agree on deals with them if they just walk away from bills they owe ?

That wouldn't happen. Look at Iceland, they tore up their contracts to get out of recession and they are doing just fine. There are trade agreements ready to be implemented with Britain, Trump is banging at their door. The Brits will be fine.

Sonics2k

Deleted User wrote: »

What did he negotiate as Foreign Secretary?

I literally can't think of anything.

con___manx1

Balanadan wrote: »

They're sending MEPs to Europe to pocket our money while turning their backs and acting the bollocks.

The door is open, why are they taking so long to leave?

Couldnt agree more. will they ever just **** off. They are causing some people here serious stress.

Kidchameleon

Thread is going way off topic, look, one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister. If she cant control her emotions on her own door step, imagine how she was around the negotiation table with the EU. The UK needs a PM with strong masculine values, one who will not give in to the elites. I am aware that there are powerful females in the world but they are the exception rather than the rule (you can look at the statistics of male leaders vs female leaders for proof of this). If by some paradox in the space time continuum Thatcher had taken over instead of May, the Brits would be long gone at this stage, deal or no deal.

ancapailldorcha

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Thread is going way off topic, look, one of the main reasons the British are still in the EU is because of their cuck prime minister. If she cant control her emotions on her own door step, imagine how she was around the negotiation table with the EU. The UK needs a PM with strong masculine values, one who will not give in to the elites. I am aware that there are powerful females in the world but they are the exception rather than the rule (you can look at the statistics of male leaders vs female leaders for proof of this). If by some paradox in the space time continuum Thatcher had taken over instead of May, the Brits would be long gone at this stage, deal or no deal.

Sure, why not throw in a bit of the aul sexism while we're at it?