Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

The upshot of all this is that the DUP can return to obscurity again.

It’s dawning on the working class that today’s Labour is no friend of theirs

sydthebeat wrote: »

So this result makes a hard border on Ireland less or more likely?

Either Boris rides rough shod with a no deal, which leads to a hard border, or he pushes on with his plan without having to satiate the DUP, so border in the Irish sea?

Border in the Irish Sea to begin with. If the ultimate result wanted by Johnson is No Deal, then anything can happen.

The good thing, but it's a long term wait, is that the Tories now own Brexit. They will reap what they sow there.
All the opposition need to do is wait in the long grass.

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Brexit will turn out good for the uk in the long run.

The UK may not exist in it's current form in the long run.

We'll see, pointless argument for the time being.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Border in the Irish Sea to begin with. If the ultimate result wanted by Johnson is No Deal, then anything can happen.

The good thing, but it's a long term wait, is that the Tories now own Brexit. They will reap what they sow there.
All the opposition need to do is wait in the long grass.

Thats if momentum don't **** the bed after corbyn leaves and stupidly split the labour party

cryptocurrency wrote: »

You've actually not got an idea what is happening do you.

The numbers are clear. the Brexit party has stopped a 100 seat majority but the message is clear and will be follwoed through.

I think it’s you who lacks understanding. The lack of a conservative majority was not preventing brexit and the majority won’t make brexit much easier to deliver. You must have forgotten about half of the Tory MPs rebelling when Johnson tried to push for a hard brexit. So since a hard brexit is out he must negotiate a deal when he has no bargaining power with the EU and must get said deal through a very divided parliament. The conservatives may have a majority but they are still divided on what sort of a deal they want. It’s not going to be easy or quick but Boris probably has the best chance of any PM so far to actually deliver brexit.

If you can see a clear roadmap to brexit in the near future I’d love to see you spell it out for us. You seem to think it’s all over bar the shouting but this is just beginning.

sydthebeat wrote:

Either Boris rides rough shod with a no deal, which leads to a hard border, or he pushes on with his plan without having to satiate the DUP, so border in the Irish sea?

Yesterday's vote gives Boris a mandate to push through the exit terms the EU gave him. That sorts the Irish border for now.

It also gives him scope to push through with the Brexit in Name Only future arrangements that the EU will give him next and that UK industry demands.

Good outcome. Bring out more flags. I'd worry about Scotland though.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet the ‘second referendum’ crowd will go very quiet now, this idea that britain regrets brexit and only a minority still want it is definitely over now.

This result is probably the best thing for Ireland considering boris only wanted an irish sea border and now arlenes voice matters not

Is it though. If you add up all the people who voted for torys and brexit party it’s less than 50% of the votes, the joys of the first past the post system. There was also a massive anti Corbyn sentiment contributing to the conservative vote. The reality is they are still hugely divided on brexit although I suspect that at this point most just want it to end one way or another, I certainly do anyway but I think we’re still on for several more years of this. At least the DUP are out of the picture.

FunLover18 wrote: »

There's no question that Tories now have a clear mandate to get it done and any movement for a second referendum has been quashed but I suspect a lot of people voted "to get Brexit done" because they're fed up with it rather than out of any actual desire for the end result.

Nail on the head.

Corbyn also was made to look toxic, a lot of his own doing but there was undoubtable a sustained and orchestrated on attack on him by some sections of the media.

It is scary in this day and age that the red tops are still King makers in England and Wales.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Gives Boris a massive bargaining chip going back into negotiations with the EU. I'd say they are sick this morning. Trying to push the UK into a second vote because the first one didn't go the EU's way. The people have spoken, Brexit means Brexit. Boris can say, give us a tariff free trade agreement, or we'll leave without a deal and you can stick up a hard border, which no one in Ireland or the EU wants.

The deal is done.

All conservative candidates signed up for it for pre-election AFAIK.

There is certain extensions the UK can apply for, but that was always up to them.

The reality is many in the EU are relived there is some what of a clear path forward.

MadYaker wrote: »

Is it though. If you add up all the people who voted for torys and brexit party it’s less than 50% of the votes, the joys of the first past the post system. There was also a massive anti Corbyn sentiment contributing to the conservative vote. The reality is they are still hugely divided on brexit although I suspect that at this point most just want it to end one way or another, I certainly do anyway but I think we’re still on for several more years of this. At least the DUP are out of the picture.

If it went the way of Labour etc you would be crowing about recognising the democratic vote.
Same as Trumps win. Thats the system and the people accept it. Why did the Labour heartlands abandon Corbyn? Because he was wishy washy sitting on the fence. Right or wrong the usual Labour voters who voted to leave could not make out Corbyn's position.
As for the S.N.P. they are pathetic, waiting for the Tories to give them permission to have another referedum. Their policy is an independent Scotland, they got the vote yesterday as Ireland did in 1918. Now go and do something about it. Are their regiments loyal to the Queen or loyal to Scotland?