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    #4682
    razor8
    Registered Users Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭razor8


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    What did you get paid for that specific lamb?

    Had he hogget teeth and used that grade to pay a different price per kg?


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    #4683
    MeTheMan
    Registered Users Posts: 527 ✭✭✭MeTheMan


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    What did you get paid for that specific lamb?

    Same as the rest. Up to the 21kg at 4.90. 102.9 before deductions.


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    #4684
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    MeTheMan wrote: »
    Same as the rest. Up to the 21kg at 4.90. 102.9 before deductions.

    I hate seeing the factories getting so much free meat


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    #4685
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    ganmo wrote: »
    I hate seeing the factories getting so much free meat

    It means they don't have to pay as much for the rest of it too. Free meat = lower price.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #4686
    MeTheMan
    Registered Users Posts: 527 ✭✭✭MeTheMan


    In that batch they got 50kg of meat for nothing. 250 odd euro gone or fat trimmed as they would tell ya. Our own fault really as we were waiting for withdrawl from dip.
    We also got 5 killed for the freezer (anyone want to buy half/full lamb carcass :D) heavier lambs that killed out at 25kg, had some yesterday and there was no excessive amounts of fat. Total bull!!


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    #4687
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,088 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    MeTheMan wrote: »
    In that batch they got 50kg of meat for nothing. 250 odd euro gone or fat trimmed as they would tell ya. Our own fault really as we were waiting for withdrawl from dip.
    We also got 5 killed for the freezer (anyone want to buy half/full lamb carcass :D) heavier lambs that killed out at 25kg, had some yesterday and there was no excessive amounts of fat. Total bull!!

    Chops don't fit in the trays and the legs are too expensive


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    #4688
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    MeTheMan wrote: »
    In that batch they got 50kg of meat for nothing. 250 odd euro gone or fat trimmed as they would tell ya. Our own fault really as we were waiting for withdrawl from dip.
    We also got 5 killed for the freezer (anyone want to buy half/full lamb carcass :D) heavier lambs that killed out at 25kg, had some yesterday and there was no excessive amounts of fat. Total bull!!

    Well, the flip side is we know the spec, its up to us as farmers to fit that spec.

    There is a butcher market for heavier lambs, I know its prob not as big a market, but still...


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    #4689
    MeTheMan
    Registered Users Posts: 527 ✭✭✭MeTheMan


    wrangler wrote: »
    Chops don't fit in the trays and the legs are too expensive

    I don't believe it. You're talking mm on a pack of chops. Meat isn't ridged! The leg being too expensive makes some sense but yet they will be paying 22kg+ in a few months time?

    Do you think they really trim 'excess' away?


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    #4690
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,088 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    MeTheMan wrote: »
    I don't believe it. You're talking mm on a pack of chops. Meat isn't ridged! The leg being too expensive makes some sense but yet they will be paying 22kg+ in a few months time?

    Do you think they really trim 'excess' away?
    You've obviously never seen them filling the trays, be worth your while in ICM camolin if they allow you, there's a tiny tiny difference in the weight of the packs of four chops, bigger chops just wouldn't fit, they have to ''encourage'' farmers to send in the right size lambs.
    Don't know how they adjust for heavier lambs in autumn
    They can sell a percentage of lambs at 23+kg but not them all


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    #4691
    MeTheMan
    Registered Users Posts: 527 ✭✭✭MeTheMan


    Seen it in ballyhaunis Dawn Meats. Got fed the usually stuff. He also claimed there profit margin was 2%. I was too quiet a person to question him on it in front of a group.
    So they buy a lamb at 100, by the time it comes out the other end of the factory and is sold they have made 2 euro. It seems small but at 5k lambs a week it adds up. But what allows for the 2% profit when prices can go from 4.50-6.50 in the year.

    Edit* that packing I seen was beef come to think of it.


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    #4692
    kk.man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭kk.man


    MeTheMan wrote: »
    Seen it in ballyhaunis Dawn Meats. Got fed the usually stuff. He also claimed there profit margin was 2%. I was too quiet a person to question him on it in front of a group.
    So they buy a lamb at 100, by the time it comes out the other end of the factory and is sold they have made 2 euro. It seems small but at 5k lambs a week it adds up. But what allows for the 2% profit when prices can go from 4.50-6.50 in the year.

    Edit* that packing I seen was beef come to think of it.
    The margin in sheep meat is around 2 or 3% but as you say 5k lambs per week is where the money is at. If skins take a knocking the farmer will not see much of a price rise. The big money is in beef and the sheep plants are the 'poor' relation.


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    #4693
    Dickie10
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    has anyone seen that ewe throughput numbers are 50% ahead of where they were in irish factories last year. this means northern and english ewes are being culled off at a huge rate, should leave the price good for hoggets and spring lamb next april and into the following march/april/may 2021


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    #4694
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    has anyone seen that ewe throughput numbers are 50% ahead of where they were in irish factories last year. this means northern and english ewes are being culled off at a huge rate, should leave the price good for hoggets and spring lamb next april and into the following march/april/may 2021

    https://www.bordbia.ie/farmers-growers/farmers/prices-markets/sheep-throughput/

    irish factories are down 20% not up 50%, current hogget prices would suggest more ppl buying breeding animals too

    Yes NI and UK are up in their slaughter figures but brexit would be a factor there


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    #4695
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    has anyone seen that ewe throughput numbers are 50% ahead of where they were in irish factories last year. this means northern and english ewes are being culled off at a huge rate, should leave the price good for hoggets and spring lamb next april and into the following march/april/may 2021

    Ah Dickie, you're only saying that cos you're busing store lambs up from Kenmare at a woeful rate... :D


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    #4696
    roosky
    Registered Users Posts: 999 ✭✭✭roosky


    knackers yard is closed due to strikes and a sheep is dead...what are my options


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    #4697
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    roosky wrote: »
    knackers yard is closed due to strikes and a sheep is dead...what are my options

    Ring the dept, that's the advise at the min


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    #4698
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    roosky wrote: »
    knackers yard is closed due to strikes and a sheep is dead...what are my options

    Ring the Dept was the advice I was given when ringing for an animal on Tuesday. I reckon they will have to issue burial licences if it's not sorted by tomorrow morning.


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    #4699
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    Thinking on spreading 18-6-12 for grazing middle off next week with this good weather forecast. Anybody still spreading can? Anybody know soul tempatures?


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    #4700
    MIKEKC
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    Lambman wrote: »
    Thinking on spreading 18-6-12 for grazing middle off next week with this good weather forecast. Anybody still spreading can? Anybody know soul tempatures?

    Do you not know the rules governing the spreading of artificial fertilizer?


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    #4701
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Lambman wrote: »
    Thinking on spreading 18-6-12 for grazing middle off next week with this good weather forecast. Anybody still spreading can? Anybody know soul tempatures?

    Saturday is the last day for spreading artifical N and P on the farm


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    #4702
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Saturday is the last day for spreading artifical N and P on the farm

    Spread the last of fert here two days ago and now finished for the season. Cannt understand the fert laws. If common sense prevailed, they’d allow spreading sept/ oct , instead of January / feb.


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    #4703
    Cran
    Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Cran


    MeTheMan wrote: »
    In that batch they got 50kg of meat for nothing. 250 odd euro gone or fat trimmed as they would tell ya. Our own fault really as we were waiting for withdrawl from dip.
    We also got 5 killed for the freezer (anyone want to buy half/full lamb carcass :D) heavier lambs that killed out at 25kg, had some yesterday and there was no excessive amounts of fat. Total bull!!

    Killed two Jan pedigree lambs here last year first week in August, one got hurt & other had fertility issues. Carcase’s were 38kg and 45kg, absolutely fantastic meat best had in long time and very little fat but everything was huge 1/2 legs were like large full normal ones 😂


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    #4704
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    Didn't realize Saturday was these last day till be honest. Stupid rule can't get a dry day this week till go at it and giving a great week next week.


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    #4705
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Lambman wrote: »
    Didn't realize Saturday was these last day till be honest. Stupid rule can't get a dry day this week till go at it and giving a great week next week.

    You can still spread K and Granlime after Saturday...


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    #4706
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    You can still spread K and Granlime after Saturday...

    Can you get k by its self ?

    Edit, just remembered, the muriah of potash bags !!!


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    #4707
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    You can't spread in the weather we had this last 3 weeks have till be done Saturday then so ����


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    #4708
    farawaygrass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    If lambs are making maggots now Cause they are gone past the treatment time of clikzin, would ye go again with clik, seen it’s so late in the year? These are lambs I’ll be keeping for breeding


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    #4709
    razor8
    Registered Users Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭razor8


    farawaygrass wrote: »
    If lambs are making maggots now Cause they are gone past the treatment time of clikzin, would ye go again with clik, seen it’s so late in the year? These are lambs I’ll be keeping for breeding

    Get them sheared this week would be my advice


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    #4710
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Was tired of seeing near factory / butcher ready lambs getting destroyed, so did mine with clikzin last weekend. 7 day withdrawal, so can go back to selling them again this week.


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    #4711
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,088 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Green farmer wrote: »
    Was tired of seeing near factory / butcher ready lambs getting destroyed, so did mine with clikzin last weekend. 7 day withdrawal, so can go back to selling them again this week.

    Maggots are vicious this time of the year


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