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Changes in the GAA - super thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭keepalive213


    I have no real interest in GAA but it does strike me that having 1 dominant team like Dublin must be very bad for the game.
    I don't like the GAA association itself although I have no idea why. Maybe I've just heard too many people giving off about them.
    Why not get a few of the Dub lads playing on the Irish soccer team instead 😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Gachla wrote: »
    Has anyone noticed that the Dublin women's team are dominating as well? Is that just a coincidence?
    Yeah the women are slowly ending up like the men. Cork used to dominate it but Dublin caught up to Cork and I wouldn't be surprised if they pull miles ahead of them over the next decade.

    The last 8 Leinsters have gone to Dublin and no county from leinster will beat them in future, ever. The Dublin women are like a professional team the way they're set up.

    But the other issue with the womans is there's only a few counties that play to a decent standard at all and then so many that are muck. So even if Dublin didn't exist cork would be dominating instead like they were. Very depressing situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Gachla wrote: »
    Just to try to tidy up this list.

    Dublin senior footballers - 6 All Ireland's this decade, 1 in nearly 30 years before that. 14 Leinster championships since 2005?
    Dublin senior hurlers - National league and Leinster championship in recent years, they never won anything with their own players prior to this?
    Dublin ladies senior football - 3 All Ireland's in recent years, they never won an All Ireland before that. 8 Leinster championship in a row also?
    Dublin u20/21 football - Won 5 All Ireland's this century, they never won one before then.
    Dublin u20/21 hurling - 4 Leinster championships since 2007, they hadn't won one since 1972.
    Dublin minor football - First All Ireland since the 80's was won in 2012.
    Dublin minor hurling - 6 Leinster championships since 2005, they won 1 in 40 years before that.
    Dublin club football - 4 All Ireland's since 2007, they won one in 30 years before that.
    Dublin club hurling - 2 All Ireland's in the past few years, they were never even in a final before then.

    My theory is that these improvements would not have come about without the funding Dublin GAA received since 2001. Does anyone have any other theory? I'd love to hear and I'm sure others would too. On the other hand, deflection or abuse will be ignored.
    Excellent post. The flat earthers will still deny it. It must be so hard to admit it and say

    "yes my county has greatly benefited from advantages and luxuries not available to the teams we beat. We'd not have won as much without them".
    This thread is turning into two Dublin haters talking to each other.

    Anyway, the Super 8's have to go, boring muck, bring back the old system. Much more excitement.
    The old system was more exciting because we didn't know for sure a team like Dublin would win no matter what. How will the old system be better next year. We will still know the outcome. At last this system gives town's around the country a chance of hoetujh6a big summer game.

    The MAIN THING with Dublin gaa is take a huge decrease of funding off them in line with the population of each county.

    Let’s see how the dubs do then ?

    Dublin are at such a high level now that even if the GAA cut let's say 1 million in funding per year they'd be self sustainable from their own funds. The damage has been done and there's no going back.

    Gachla wrote: »
    I just read this on another site! Staggering differences in numbers in games development funding from when most of the players playing today would have come through.

    2007
    Dublin - 1,603,903
    Mayo - 7,475.

    2008
    Dublin - 1,637,380
    Mayo - 25,900.

    2009
    Dublin - 1,638,000
    Mayo - 45,500.

    2010
    Dublin - 1,588,000
    Mayo - 43,500.

    2011
    Dublin - 1,371,333
    Mayo - 42,000

    2012
    Dublin - 1,509,631
    Mayo - 35,920
    It turns my stomach reading these stats. Meanwhile Mayo have had to put in a trojan effort fundraising at home and abroad for years and have a big debt to pay off on their stadium.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    RMAOK wrote: »
    gaffer91 wrote: »
    I'm stunned the Sunday Game constantly fails to mention the reason for the gulf in class (financial doping, population etc) rather than just commenting on how demoralising it is.

    They've to think of ratings as well, do they're hardly going to deliberately alienate a huge portion of their audience by mentioning money, population etc.

    The golden generation line is used instead.

    RTE aren't smart enough to recognise that this will have a big impact on them too. When the the games aren't competitive no one watches. When no one watches sponsors aren't interested and revenues fall. They don't have many sporting events left on their roster and their biggest one has shed 300,000 on the final alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    It turns my stomach reading these stats. Meanwhile Mayo have had to put in a trojan effort fundraising at home and abroad for years and have a big debt to pay off on their stadium.

    The real icing on the cake is when you see the actual fundraising that has come from within Dublin, i.e from their own fans etc. - a few paltry thousand.

    It is then you start to realise that the Dublin of today arent truely part of the gaa at all. They dont get it. Their position has been artificially recreated from top to bottom and they have completely jumped the shark in their current guise. They are too drunk on chasing success to realise it at present, but the penny will drop.

    Eventually, change will occur, and this, once celebrated, financially doped era will hang like an albatross around Dublin's necks for the rest of our lifetimes. Things like Brian Fenton's never losing a game will cease from being revered, and people will see it for what it is - the most blatant of blatant calling card of financial doping.

    While that will be deserved, I cant help but feel for their players. It isnt fentons fault that that is the case, but his name will forever be attached to it. It isnt brogans fault that he went from arguably their best forward, to not even being good enough for the team due to the sheer number of guys of that quality coming through. The reality is it is now a de facto provincial team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    The current model is like s rugby game involving Leinster v Lansdowne
    Or Connacht v Galwegians


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,029 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The fundraising thing is staggering. All they do at Donegal County Committee meetings is talk about money, what it’s costing, how will we raise it, how can club and county keep going back to the same people all the time, year in, year out, asking for money. All at the same time they are hoping that they will travel the length and breadth of the country support the team.

    What Dublin have been handed is and unfair leg up over every time else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    The current model is like s rugby game involving Leinster v Lansdowne

    Also the game has to be played at the venue of choice for Leinster.
    All while the TV analysts helpfully suggest Landsdowne and their volunteers "get their house in order" after suffering a 15th hammering in a row.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    The real icing on the cake is when you see the actual fundraising that has come from within Dublin, i.e from their own fans etc. - a few paltry thousand.

    It is then you start to realise that the Dublin of today arent truely part of the gaa at all. They dont get it. Their position has been artificially recreated from top to bottom and they have completely jumped the shark in their current guise. They are too drunk on chasing success to realise it at present, but the penny will drop.

    Eventually, change will occur, and this, once celebrated, financially doped era will hang like an albatross around Dublin's necks for the rest of our lifetimes. Things like Brian Fenton's never losing a game will cease from being revered, and people will see it for what it is - the most blatant of blatant calling card of financial doping.

    While that will be deserved, I cant help but feel for their players. It isnt fentons fault that that is the case, but his name will forever be attached to it. It isnt brogans fault that he went from arguably their best forward, to not even being good enough for the team due to the sheer number of guys of that quality coming through. The reality is it is now a de facto provincial team.
    it isnt at all that small. I worked at punchestown races back start of may. Was down in the tents on one or two days. One of the Dublin clubs had a fundraiser in one of the tents as did one of the leinster counties(could have been longford). The single club had a room with nearly as many tables as an entire county
    The current model is like s rugby game involving Leinster v Lansdowne
    Or Connacht v Galwegians
    it isnt at all and comparison is wrong in every sense.
    doc_17 wrote: »
    The fundraising thing is staggering. All they do at Donegal County Committee meetings is talk about money, what it’s costing, how will we raise it, how can club and county keep going back to the same people all the time, year in, year out, asking for money. All at the same time they are hoping that they will travel the length and breadth of the country support the team.

    What Dublin have been handed is and unfair leg up over every time else.
    but the critics of Dublin refuse to admit any of the work being out in by all Dublin volunteers which is same as elsewhere. They simply have numbers that mean they should be anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,029 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The work being done in Dublin by Dublin volunteers isn’t as good as it the work being done in other counties. It’s money and home advantage that have Dublin where they are.

    Dublin should only be permitted to play 4 games max in CP. League final, Leinster Final, AI semi and final.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    doc_17 wrote: »
    The work being done in Dublin by Dublin volunteers isn’t as good as it the work being done in other counties. It’s money and home advantage that have Dublin where they are.

    Dublin should only be permitted to play 4 games max in CP. League final, Leinster Final, AI semi and final.
    The semi final should be neutral. Cork, Killarney, Mchale Park, Thurles, Clones Limerick and if they ever sort it out Casement. All should be able to host a semi final involving Dublin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    I have been reading a lot of McKenna's articles. They are hard to argue with really. Which is probably why most of his critics don't bother and just insult him personally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Gachla


    As has been pointed out on this thread, money has brought success to Dublin across the board. The headline grabbers are the senior men's footballers though. They are the best chance of ending this scandal. The more they win and by bigger margins, the better the chances for a call for change. So ironically, those opposed to the financial doping are actually hoping Dublin win and win big. While those who want this financial doping to go unopposed, want Dublin to win but in close games and after this year, they won't mind seeing Dublin losing!
    It was passed off as Leinster counties being crap and criticising Meath and Kildare when Dublin were destroying them, now hammering Mayo, Kerry and whoever else can't be just passed off. This will bring the house crashing down. We can see with attendances collapsing, we can see with the super 8's failing miserably, we'll eventually see the media reporting on this accurately. The noose is tightening and it's been tightened by the Dublin senior footballers themselves!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
    I know, I was at the county board meeting!
    It will be interesting how counties vote for that
    And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
    Croke Park


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,029 ✭✭✭doc_17


    There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
    I know, I was at the county board meeting!
    It will be interesting how counties vote for that
    And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
    Croke Park

    That cannot be passed. But if it is then the rest of Leinster might as well throw their hat at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
    I know, I was at the county board meeting!
    It will be interesting how counties vote for that
    And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
    Croke Park

    That's disgraceful. Who proposed that?


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    Anyway, it's awful to see it all reduced to money.

    The simple fact have that this is a great Dublin side and I see them beating Kerry in the All Ireland Final.

    By €15.9 million.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I mean it’s a ridiculous proposal but for all the hope Leinster counties have of beating them they might as well get a bye into super 8.

    Terrible to say but a crowd of 34k today is a good thing. Loss of nearly twenty thousand tickets from semi final four years ago is almost a million euro loss in income for the GAA.

    The GAA would be content to ignore the problem for years to come, financial loss is the only way action will be taken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Terrible to say but a crowd of 34k today is a good thing. Loss of nearly twenty thousand tickets from semi final four years ago is almost a million euro loss in income for the GAA.

    The GAA would be content to ignore the problem for years to come, financial loss is the only way action will be taken.

    It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

    It's a semi final, up until the super 8's it was always a full house


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    blanch152 wrote: »
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Terrible to say but a crowd of 34k today is a good thing. Loss of nearly twenty thousand tickets from semi final four years ago is almost a million euro loss in income for the GAA.

    The GAA would be content to ignore the problem for years to come, financial loss is the only way action will be taken.

    It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

    Pro rata Dublin are no better and don't have to deal with any of the logistical issues either but you already know that. Mayo are by far the best supported county in the country. Wexford probably second.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

    Tell me what does 45k at Dublin Galway last year reflect?

    Why did those two poorly supported teams lose 20k supporters over four years?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    It’s a bit ludicrous that issues which clearly have an affect on the 2019 All ireland football championship such as the funding each county receives can’t be discussed in a thread called 2019 all Ireland football championship.

    Like having a premiership thread but not being allowed to discuss how much each club spends on transfers and wages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,844 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
    I know, I was at the county board meeting!
    It will be interesting how counties vote for that
    And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
    Croke Park

    Well its up to the other Leinster counties to veto it. Similar to how the same Leinster counties could opt to play their matches in their own grounds instesd of Croker.
    No big conspiracy really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    It’s a bit ludicrous that issues which clearly have an affect on the 2019 All ireland football championship such as the funding each county receives can’t be discussed in a thread called 2019 all Ireland football championship.

    Like having a premiership thread but not being allowed to discuss how much each club spends on transfers and wages.

    Yep it's farcical. You can talk about everything on there from managerial changes to black cards but funding issues are off the table.


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    blanch152 wrote: »
    It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

    It's almost as if the county of Dublin has, I dunno, 10 times the population of either...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Super 8s come to an end next year. GAA will be desperate to keep them going or come up with some new money spinner to combat the loss of income from falling attendances.

    If county boards had any sense they would come together and tell HQ any such scheme is off the table until something is done to tackle the financial disparity. But I expect they will all be so desperate to preserve their own crumbs off the table they will bow down to HQ in typical fashion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    threeball wrote: »
    Yep it's farcical. You can talk about everything on there from managerial changes to black cards but funding issues are off the table.

    Especially when it’s a ‘stickied’ thread. I usually skip these threads when looking at a forum because they are usually about rules of posting etc. I imagine most people do likewise.

    Putting it here shuts down a lot of discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    threeball wrote: »
    Yep it's farcical. You can talk about everything on there from managerial changes to black cards but funding issues are off the table.

    Especially when it’s a ‘stickied’ thread. I usually skip these threads when looking at a forum because they are usually about rules of posting etc. I imagine most people do likewise.

    Putting it here shuts down a lot of discussion.

    People complain about it so it gets stuck on a thread with little traffic as they want it forgotten.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    The moderators and many other posters are getting tired with silly bickering breaking out on many threads and it taking those threads so far off topic.

    So if you want to discuss county funding or how the GAA should change, moan about the fact that your county gets a hard time in the draw, that the GAA fixtures are clashing with any sporting event etc etc etc, it goes here. If is a moan or complaint, it goes here.

    Anyone taking other threads off topic, or taking points of view from this into other threads and cross thread posting will be carded and/or banned. Anybody soapboxing in other threads will be banned and a limited amount allowed on here

    Even the original post here dismisses legitimate debate around funding to being a ‘moan’ or ‘complaint’.

    Complete nonsense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Tell me what does 45k at Dublin Galway last year reflect?

    Why did those two poorly supported teams lose 20k supporters over four years?


    Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

    Yes

    You can

    There are Multiple reasons for the low attendance today:

    Today was Tyrone’s 10th match this year.

    Their supporters have been all over the country at great expense so many of them didn’t travel.
    Semi final tickets were increased to €50 this year.

    Kerry fans are fickle.
    Even tho they have only won one all ireland this decade, they are used to the notion of winning and so many of them only go to a final if Kerry get there.

    But the real reason there was a disparity of 50,000 attendees between the two games is because most people couldn’t give a fig anymore cause the AI champions in waiting are Dublin and today’s prize was to see who would lose to Dublin in 3 weeks time.

    Dublin, and their financially doped success, lack of travel expenses compared to day mayo or donegal and all of their other advantages are killing interest in our games.

    It’s very sad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

    Of course it is, today's match is the 2nd and 3rd place playoff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes

    You can

    There are Multiple reasons for the low attendance today:

    Today was Tyrone’s 10th match this year.

    Their supporters have been all over the country at great expense so many of them didn’t travel.
    Semi final tickets were increased to €50 this year.

    Kerry fans are fickle.
    Even tho they have only won one all ireland this decade, they are used to the notion of winning and so many of them only go to a final if Kerry get there.

    But the real reason there was a disparity of 50,000 attendees between the two games is because most people couldn’t give a fig anymore cause the AI champions in waiting are Dublin and today’s prize was to see who would lose to Dublin in 3 weeks time.

    Dublin, and their financially doped success, lack of travel expenses compared to day mayo or donegal and all of their other advantages are killing interest in our games.

    It’s very sad


    What doublethink in your post.

    Kerry don't travel because they are used to success, but others don't travel because of Dublin's success!!!

    The lowest attendances of the last 60 years for All-Ireland finals were in 1981 and 1982 when Kerry were going for four and five-in-a-row. Were they doped as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    blanch152 wrote: »
    What doublethink in your post.

    Kerry don't travel because they are used to success, but others don't travel because of Dublin's success!!!

    The lowest attendances of the last 60 years for All-Ireland finals were in 1981 and 1982 when Kerry were going for four and five-in-a-row. Were they doped as well?

    They kinda were if you look into it.

    They got given out to by HQ for a deal with adidas and for a deal with a washing machine company but they weren’t systematically doped.

    This is like a destruction derby where Dublin are in a tank and all other counties are in a mini from the Italian job

    What Dublin are about to achieve has NEVER been done before in 135 years.
    And the dubs show no signs of slowing down or of even having to try that hard (on the pitch)
    They obviously train ridiculously hard and are insanely talented

    Dublin are a county with the population of a province.

    Case in point:

    The European elections had three regions.

    Dublin
    Ireland south - 12 counties
    Ireland Midwest - 13 counties

    I feel an all star team for ireland south or ireland Midwest wouldn’t beat Dublin

    Even if they went into a training camp for 6 weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Well its up to the other Leinster counties to veto it. Similar to how the same Leinster counties could opt to play their matches in their own grounds instesd of Croker.
    No big conspiracy really.

    While being told their Leinster funding will then be cut due to lower attendances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,844 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    While being told their Leinster funding will then be cut due to lower attendances

    Is that Dublin's fault?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

    What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

    What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

    That's the default answer. Doesn't matter that the post they quote says, I don't blame Dublin, or fair play to Dublin they used what they were given. You're immediately met with, is that Dublins fault. Never an acknowledgement to say, you know what, croke park should level the playing field.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,844 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

    Donegal put forward a proposal earlier this year to take Dublin outta Croker. It wasn't supported.

    Leinster counties have the opportunity to play their home matches at home every year instead of Croker. But they refuse.

    Now apparently, there is a move to shunt Dublin straight into the semis but apparently the other Leinster counties are unable to do anything about it.

    I think the problem lies with the delegates the other counties are sending to Congress rather than Dublin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

    Donegal put forward a proposal earlier this year to take Dublin outta Croker. It wasn't supported.

    Leinster counties have the opportunity to play their home matches at home every year instead of Croker. But they refuse.

    Now apparently, there is a move to shunt Dublin straight into the semis but apparently the other Leinster counties are unable to do anything about it.

    I think the problem lies with the delegates the other counties are sending to Congress rather than Dublin.

    You're at it again. Do you even read the posts. The man said no one is blaming Dublin yet you're straight in to, it's your fault not ours. It's neither, it's headquarters fault for allowing the situation be allowed and develop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,844 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    threeball wrote: »
    You're at it again. Do you even read the posts. The man said no one is blaming Dublin yet you're straight in to, it's your fault not ours. It's neither, it's headquarters fault for allowing the situation be allowed and develop.

    Thats what I said. And the delegates that are sent to HQ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    threeball wrote: »
    You're at it again. Do you even read the posts. The man said no one is blaming Dublin yet you're straight in to, it's your fault not ours. It's neither, it's headquarters fault for allowing the situation be allowed and develop.

    Thats what I said. And the delegates that are sent to HQ.

    It's nothing to do with delegates. This decision was taken by hq not at congress. Nothing to do with county boards or delegates. HQ and HQ only


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    It’s going to be hard to put the genie back in the bottle. Dublin always had a population advantage obviously but when you start bringing in specialised coaching at young ages, development squads etc, essentially making an amateur sport much closer to professional standards that advantage becomes significantly more important.

    Even if the GAA were to massively increase coaching funding available to other counties, putting in development officers etc I’m not sure it would be sufficient to bring back competitiveness. But it would certainly raise standards and the GAA have a responsibility to at least address the current financial imbalance.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
    I know, I was at the county board meeting!
    It will be interesting how counties vote for that
    And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
    Croke Park

    More GAA exceptionalism for Dublin (if true).

    The GAA recognise the Leinster championship is a joke and first round trouncings don't look good for its "product".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
    I know, I was at the county board meeting!
    It will be interesting how counties vote for that
    And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
    Croke Park

    This wouldn't be my proposal but a step in the right direction. At least they are thinking of change. The fact the semi is in Croker though disappoints me. It should be in a provincial venue. And the team they play should be at home providing they have a 10k capacity or higher.

    They'll obviously continue to obliterate whoever they play in the semi final and final. Hopefully in a few years they propose a bye to the final and then a few years later they might finally revive the leinster championship by removing Dublin altogether.

    When John Horan aka Mr Dublin is gone, hopefully he is replaced by someone who isn't a Dublin arse licker. Start shifting those funds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Gachla wrote: »
    As has been pointed out on this thread, money has brought success to Dublin across the board. The headline grabbers are the senior men's footballers though. They are the best chance of ending this scandal. The more they win and by bigger margins, the better the chances for a call for change. So ironically, those opposed to the financial doping are actually hoping Dublin win and win big. While those who want this financial doping to go unopposed, want Dublin to win but in close games and after this year, they won't mind seeing Dublin losing!
    It was passed off as Leinster counties being crap and criticising Meath and Kildare when Dublin were destroying them, now hammering Mayo, Kerry and whoever else can't be just passed off. This will bring the house crashing down. We can see with attendances collapsing, we can see with the super 8's failing miserably, we'll eventually see the media reporting on this accurately. The noose is tightening and it's been tightened by the Dublin senior footballers themselves!
    Yeah I actually hope Dublin hammer teams and this year I've been delighted with the winning margins. I'm praying they beat Kerry to a pulp and win by 10 pulling up. The bigger the gap gets the closer we get to real change. Personally I hope Dublin get a bye straight to the super 8's or just enter the all Ireland series in the qualifiers round 1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Making this thread a sticky is ,ironically enough, a way to bury it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    But the real reason there was a disparity of 50,000 attendees between the two games is because most people couldn’t give a fig anymore cause the AI champions in waiting are Dublin and today’s prize was to see who would lose to Dublin in 3 weeks time.

    Dublin, and their financially doped success, lack of travel expenses compared to day mayo or donegal and all of their other advantages are killing interest in our games.

    It’s very sad

    If you think it's bad now, think what it'll be like in five years without radical action (i.e splitting Dublin) being taken.

    The GAA probably will surely take notice soon, the 20,000 drop in attendance compared to the 2015 semi-final between the same teams is hugely worrying. Would add up to around one million in lost revenue from tickets alone.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    Post deleted, meant for the championship thread!


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