Changes in the GAA - super thread

threeball

blanch152 wrote: »

ClanofLams wrote: »

Terrible to say but a crowd of 34k today is a good thing. Loss of nearly twenty thousand tickets from semi final four years ago is almost a million euro loss in income for the GAA.

The GAA would be content to ignore the problem for years to come, financial loss is the only way action will be taken.

It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

Pro rata Dublin are no better and don't have to deal with any of the logistical issues either but you already know that. Mayo are by far the best supported county in the country. Wexford probably second.

ClanofLams

blanch152 wrote: »

It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

Tell me what does 45k at Dublin Galway last year reflect?

Why did those two poorly supported teams lose 20k supporters over four years?

ClanofLams

It’s a bit ludicrous that issues which clearly have an affect on the 2019 All ireland football championship such as the funding each county receives can’t be discussed in a thread called 2019 all Ireland football championship.

Like having a premiership thread but not being allowed to discuss how much each club spends on transfers and wages.

Fann Linn

beggars_bush wrote: »

There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
I know, I was at the county board meeting!
It will be interesting how counties vote for that
And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
Croke Park

Well its up to the other Leinster counties to veto it. Similar to how the same Leinster counties could opt to play their matches in their own grounds instesd of Croker.
No big conspiracy really.

threeball

ClanofLams wrote: »

It’s a bit ludicrous that issues which clearly have an affect on the 2019 All ireland football championship such as the funding each county receives can’t be discussed in a thread called 2019 all Ireland football championship.

Like having a premiership thread but not being allowed to discuss how much each club spends on transfers and wages.

Yep it's farcical. You can talk about everything on there from managerial changes to black cards but funding issues are off the table.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

It just shows how poor the support from Kerry and Tyrone is for their teams.

It's almost as if the county of Dublin has, I dunno, 10 times the population of either...

ClanofLams

Super 8s come to an end next year. GAA will be desperate to keep them going or come up with some new money spinner to combat the loss of income from falling attendances.

If county boards had any sense they would come together and tell HQ any such scheme is off the table until something is done to tackle the financial disparity. But I expect they will all be so desperate to preserve their own crumbs off the table they will bow down to HQ in typical fashion.

ClanofLams

threeball wrote: »

Yep it's farcical. You can talk about everything on there from managerial changes to black cards but funding issues are off the table.

Especially when it’s a ‘stickied’ thread. I usually skip these threads when looking at a forum because they are usually about rules of posting etc. I imagine most people do likewise.

Putting it here shuts down a lot of discussion.

threeball

ClanofLams wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

Yep it's farcical. You can talk about everything on there from managerial changes to black cards but funding issues are off the table.

Especially when it’s a ‘stickied’ thread. I usually skip these threads when looking at a forum because they are usually about rules of posting etc. I imagine most people do likewise.

Putting it here shuts down a lot of discussion.

People complain about it so it gets stuck on a thread with little traffic as they want it forgotten.

ClanofLams

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

The moderators and many other posters are getting tired with silly bickering breaking out on many threads and it taking those threads so far off topic.

So if you want to discuss county funding or how the GAA should change, moan about the fact that your county gets a hard time in the draw, that the GAA fixtures are clashing with any sporting event etc etc etc, it goes here. If is a moan or complaint, it goes here.

Anyone taking other threads off topic, or taking points of view from this into other threads and cross thread posting will be carded and/or banned. Anybody soapboxing in other threads will be banned and a limited amount allowed on here

Even the original post here dismisses legitimate debate around funding to being a ‘moan’ or ‘complaint’.

Complete nonsense.

blanch152

ClanofLams wrote: »

Tell me what does 45k at Dublin Galway last year reflect?

Why did those two poorly supported teams lose 20k supporters over four years?

Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

Inspector Coptoor

blanch152 wrote: »

Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

Yes

You can

There are Multiple reasons for the low attendance today:

Today was Tyrone’s 10th match this year.

Their supporters have been all over the country at great expense so many of them didn’t travel.
Semi final tickets were increased to €50 this year.

Kerry fans are fickle.
Even tho they have only won one all ireland this decade, they are used to the notion of winning and so many of them only go to a final if Kerry get there.

But the real reason there was a disparity of 50,000 attendees between the two games is because most people couldn’t give a fig anymore cause the AI champions in waiting are Dublin and today’s prize was to see who would lose to Dublin in 3 weeks time.

Dublin, and their financially doped success, lack of travel expenses compared to day mayo or donegal and all of their other advantages are killing interest in our games.

It’s very sad

The high horse brigade

blanch152 wrote: »

Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

Of course it is, today's match is the 2nd and 3rd place playoff

blanch152

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Yes

You can

There are Multiple reasons for the low attendance today:

Today was Tyrone’s 10th match this year.

Their supporters have been all over the country at great expense so many of them didn’t travel.
Semi final tickets were increased to €50 this year.

Kerry fans are fickle.
Even tho they have only won one all ireland this decade, they are used to the notion of winning and so many of them only go to a final if Kerry get there.

But the real reason there was a disparity of 50,000 attendees between the two games is because most people couldn’t give a fig anymore cause the AI champions in waiting are Dublin and today’s prize was to see who would lose to Dublin in 3 weeks time.

Dublin, and their financially doped success, lack of travel expenses compared to day mayo or donegal and all of their other advantages are killing interest in our games.

It’s very sad

What doublethink in your post.

Kerry don't travel because they are used to success, but others don't travel because of Dublin's success!!!

The lowest attendances of the last 60 years for All-Ireland finals were in 1981 and 1982 when Kerry were going for four and five-in-a-row. Were they doped as well?

Inspector Coptoor

blanch152 wrote: »

What doublethink in your post.

Kerry don't travel because they are used to success, but others don't travel because of Dublin's success!!!

The lowest attendances of the last 60 years for All-Ireland finals were in 1981 and 1982 when Kerry were going for four and five-in-a-row. Were they doped as well?

They kinda were if you look into it.

They got given out to by HQ for a deal with adidas and for a deal with a washing machine company but they weren’t systematically doped.

This is like a destruction derby where Dublin are in a tank and all other counties are in a mini from the Italian job

What Dublin are about to achieve has NEVER been done before in 135 years.
And the dubs show no signs of slowing down or of even having to try that hard (on the pitch)
They obviously train ridiculously hard and are insanely talented

Dublin are a county with the population of a province.

Case in point:

The European elections had three regions.

Dublin
Ireland south - 12 counties
Ireland Midwest - 13 counties

I feel an all star team for ireland south or ireland Midwest wouldn’t beat Dublin

Even if they went into a training camp for 6 weeks

beggars_bush

Fann Linn wrote: »

Well its up to the other Leinster counties to veto it. Similar to how the same Leinster counties could opt to play their matches in their own grounds instesd of Croker.
No big conspiracy really.

While being told their Leinster funding will then be cut due to lower attendances

Fann Linn

beggars_bush wrote: »

While being told their Leinster funding will then be cut due to lower attendances

Is that Dublin's fault?

ClanofLams

blanch152 wrote: »

Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

threeball

ClanofLams wrote: »

blanch152 wrote: »

Today was the lowest attendance for a semi-final since 1996. Can't blame Dublin or the Super 8s for that.

What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

That's the default answer. Doesn't matter that the post they quote says, I don't blame Dublin, or fair play to Dublin they used what they were given. You're immediately met with, is that Dublins fault. Never an acknowledgement to say, you know what, croke park should level the playing field.

Fann Linn

ClanofLams wrote: »

What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

Donegal put forward a proposal earlier this year to take Dublin outta Croker. It wasn't supported.

Leinster counties have the opportunity to play their home matches at home every year instead of Croker. But they refuse.

Now apparently, there is a move to shunt Dublin straight into the semis but apparently the other Leinster counties are unable to do anything about it.

I think the problem lies with the delegates the other counties are sending to Congress rather than Dublin.

threeball

Fann Linn wrote: »

ClanofLams wrote: »

What Dublin posters don’t seem to understand is no one is blaming Dublin for anything. It would be wrong to blame the beneficiaries of mismanagement rather those who actually governed poorly.

Donegal put forward a proposal earlier this year to take Dublin outta Croker. It wasn't supported.

Leinster counties have the opportunity to play their home matches at home every year instead of Croker. But they refuse.

Now apparently, there is a move to shunt Dublin straight into the semis but apparently the other Leinster counties are unable to do anything about it.

I think the problem lies with the delegates the other counties are sending to Congress rather than Dublin.

You're at it again. Do you even read the posts. The man said no one is blaming Dublin yet you're straight in to, it's your fault not ours. It's neither, it's headquarters fault for allowing the situation be allowed and develop.

Fann Linn

threeball wrote: »

You're at it again. Do you even read the posts. The man said no one is blaming Dublin yet you're straight in to, it's your fault not ours. It's neither, it's headquarters fault for allowing the situation be allowed and develop.

Thats what I said. And the delegates that are sent to HQ.

threeball

Fann Linn wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

You're at it again. Do you even read the posts. The man said no one is blaming Dublin yet you're straight in to, it's your fault not ours. It's neither, it's headquarters fault for allowing the situation be allowed and develop.

Thats what I said. And the delegates that are sent to HQ.

It's nothing to do with delegates. This decision was taken by hq not at congress. Nothing to do with county boards or delegates. HQ and HQ only

ClanofLams

It’s going to be hard to put the genie back in the bottle. Dublin always had a population advantage obviously but when you start bringing in specialised coaching at young ages, development squads etc, essentially making an amateur sport much closer to professional standards that advantage becomes significantly more important.

Even if the GAA were to massively increase coaching funding available to other counties, putting in development officers etc I’m not sure it would be sufficient to bring back competitiveness. But it would certainly raise standards and the GAA have a responsibility to at least address the current financial imbalance.

ToBeFrank123

beggars_bush wrote: »

There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
I know, I was at the county board meeting!
It will be interesting how counties vote for that
And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
Croke Park

More GAA exceptionalism for Dublin (if true).

The GAA recognise the Leinster championship is a joke and first round trouncings don't look good for its "product".

RoyalCelt

beggars_bush wrote: »

There's a proposal gone out to all Leinster counties that Dublin will receive a bye into the Leinster semi final from 2020 onwards
I know, I was at the county board meeting!
It will be interesting how counties vote for that
And, here's the kicker. The semi final will of course be in??
Croke Park

This wouldn't be my proposal but a step in the right direction. At least they are thinking of change. The fact the semi is in Croker though disappoints me. It should be in a provincial venue. And the team they play should be at home providing they have a 10k capacity or higher.

They'll obviously continue to obliterate whoever they play in the semi final and final. Hopefully in a few years they propose a bye to the final and then a few years later they might finally revive the leinster championship by removing Dublin altogether.

When John Horan aka Mr Dublin is gone, hopefully he is replaced by someone who isn't a Dublin arse licker. Start shifting those funds.

RoyalCelt

Gachla wrote: »

As has been pointed out on this thread, money has brought success to Dublin across the board. The headline grabbers are the senior men's footballers though. They are the best chance of ending this scandal. The more they win and by bigger margins, the better the chances for a call for change. So ironically, those opposed to the financial doping are actually hoping Dublin win and win big. While those who want this financial doping to go unopposed, want Dublin to win but in close games and after this year, they won't mind seeing Dublin losing!
It was passed off as Leinster counties being crap and criticising Meath and Kildare when Dublin were destroying them, now hammering Mayo, Kerry and whoever else can't be just passed off. This will bring the house crashing down. We can see with attendances collapsing, we can see with the super 8's failing miserably, we'll eventually see the media reporting on this accurately. The noose is tightening and it's been tightened by the Dublin senior footballers themselves!

Yeah I actually hope Dublin hammer teams and this year I've been delighted with the winning margins. I'm praying they beat Kerry to a pulp and win by 10 pulling up. The bigger the gap gets the closer we get to real change. Personally I hope Dublin get a bye straight to the super 8's or just enter the all Ireland series in the qualifiers round 1.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Making this thread a sticky is ,ironically enough, a way to bury it.

gaffer91

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

But the real reason there was a disparity of 50,000 attendees between the two games is because most people couldn’t give a fig anymore cause the AI champions in waiting are Dublin and today’s prize was to see who would lose to Dublin in 3 weeks time.

Dublin, and their financially doped success, lack of travel expenses compared to day mayo or donegal and all of their other advantages are killing interest in our games.

It’s very sad

If you think it's bad now, think what it'll be like in five years without radical action (i.e splitting Dublin) being taken.

The GAA probably will surely take notice soon, the 20,000 drop in attendance compared to the 2015 semi-final between the same teams is hugely worrying. Would add up to around one million in lost revenue from tickets alone.

bruschi

Post deleted, meant for the championship thread!