Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

Joeface · 11-07-2019 11:12am

are HAAS really even hurt by this , I assume they paid HASS money to be on the car . And I am sure the due diligence by HAAS negotiators meant they saw what money was there and that it was real .

they are probably down money over the year but they should be able to pick up a another title sponsor handy enough and I am pretty sure they would win any court outing against Rich energy .

flazio · 11-07-2019 11:27am

Meanwhile, Williams are just a little bit more secure.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/1149242393214029824?s=19

Frank Bullitt · 11-07-2019 3:54pm

The new rumour is that Storey sent the tweet after he was fired by the board...this is fantastic.

Frank Bullitt · 11-07-2019 6:39pm

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1149385021750464512

It keeps on going...

Harika · 11-07-2019 7:17pm

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1149385021750464512

It keeps on going...

Twitter has technical issues. :pac:

guess it is that
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rich-energy-ceo-haas-coup-tweet/4492868/

“The ludicrous statement by minority shareholders cosy with @redbull & @WhyteBikes is risible. Their attempted palace coup has failed. I control all of the assets of @rich_energy & have support of all key stakeholders”.

AMKC · 11-07-2019 8:10pm

flazio wrote: »

Meanwhile, Williams are just a little bit more secure.
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/status/1149242393214029824?s=19

Great to see Williams having long time sponsership and it must be working for Rokit too. Now if Williams could just get there act together and make a fast car. Any more on the rumours of them changing engine supplier?

Charlie-Bravo · 11-07-2019 8:20pm

Pure entertainment in the replies

https://twitter.com/86danaaa86/status/1149388676629221376?s=09

skipper_G · 11-07-2019 8:24pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Pure entertainment in the replies

https://twitter.com/86danaaa86/status/1149388676629221376?s=09

There's some quality gags in the replies

Charlie-Bravo · 12-07-2019 9:23pm

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1149670559296307200?s=19

This is the latest in the saga. Not clear who posted this one but looks like Storey has lost the plot.

Frank Bullitt · 12-07-2019 9:49pm

So Haas won't deal with Rich Energy while Storey is still there, incredible stuff.

Charlie-Bravo · 13-07-2019 7:54am

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/whyte-bikes-rich-energy-logo-case/4493480/

Whyte bikes didn't get their court costs from either Rich Energy or the logo designer so are now seeking a petition to wind up the companies!!

Harika · 13-07-2019 7:56am

https://mobile.twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1149924686807076864

That will be fun for the insolvency manager to unravel

mickdw · 13-07-2019 9:59am

It's all very funny and appears that it's just Storey sending out random tweets but surely they have at this stage paid Haas millions of Pounds and there must be a professional board somewhere within this business.

dublinman1990 · 13-07-2019 10:55am

Haas still have the Rich Energy logo displayed on their cars this weekend at Silverstone. Are Haas going to keep it for a little bit longer though as in keeping the logo will only become a temporary part of the process of these developments? What I don't get either from this spat between Haas & Rich Energy is why would Rich Energy try & link the argument with leaving Haas with having both internal politics & PC elements within F1?

Are they or Storey spouting a load of crap with that tweet?

Harika · 13-07-2019 6:48pm

As rich energy is not producing drinks, the stakeholders can create a new company called gold energy and send money to Haas.

pjohnson · 14-07-2019 9:42am

SportPesa have pledged to donate 1000 to cancer research for every position Stroll and Perez make up from the grid to the chequered flag from now until seasons end. Lance's chronic inability to qualify + his generally good racing/tyre management will now be helping a great cause!

dublinman1990 · 14-07-2019 8:06pm

Top Gear on BBC Two is doing a piece on the Lotus 79 F1 Car now.

AMKC · 14-07-2019 8:23pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Top Gear on BBC Two is doing a piece on the Lotus 79 F1 Car now.

Just caught it. That was very good. The cricket had the times and recordings all fecked up do.

It is on again tomorrow evening Top Gear that is on BBC 2 at 7pm for anyone wanting to see that bit on the Lotus 79.

elperello · 14-07-2019 10:16pm

This was mentioned on TV today.
Tribute to Charlie Whiting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq1clvGNsS4

Jordan 199 · 15-07-2019 4:03am

Kimi is having a very good season so far at Alfa Romeo. Currently 8th in the standings and scored points in 7 out of 10 races.

Burkie1203 · 15-07-2019 6:22am

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1150439445289734144?s=19

TCP/IP · 15-07-2019 8:33am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1150439445289734144?s=19

I can’t wait for Netflix to cover this saga. Will be classic TV for sure. It’s like Fyre festival all over again. Pure bluff.

AMKC · 15-07-2019 9:29am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1150439445289734144?s=19

Lol I would say he does not even have 3.5 million never mind 35 million.

pjohnson · 15-07-2019 10:20am

The sponsor drama this weekend was more entertaining than the actual cars. God help Magnussen when he had to face Steiner.

Killinator · 16-07-2019 1:50pm

This should put a smile on anyone's face:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU

Lewis: they told me I need to drive slow
Frank: seriously?!

:):)

TCP/IP · 16-07-2019 4:22pm

Killinator wrote: »

This should put a smile on anyone's face:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU

Lewis: they told me I need to drive slow
Frank: seriously?!

:):)

Loved this guess they did not trust one of their own drivers to bring Sir Frank out. Loved the interaction between Claire and her father.

g1983d · 16-07-2019 4:27pm

Killinator wrote: »

This should put a smile on anyone's face:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU

Lewis: they told me I need to drive slow
Frank: seriously?!

:):)

Saw that at the weekend and thought it was great, wouldn't be a Lewis fan but thought he did a great job there and showed his true personality.
To be fair to Lewis I think he is generally guarded with his personality because he has to be.

I also saw Nico Rosbergs podcast with Claire Williams at the weekend which give a good insight into her and Williams

H3llR4iser · 16-07-2019 4:41pm

TCP/IP wrote: »

Loved this guess they did not trust one of their own drivers to bring Sir Frank out. Loved the interaction between Claire and her father.

"Practically new convertible Mercedes Benz for sale, factory owned, always kept garaged, only about 12km on the clock all driven on smooth, brand new tarmac. Call Toto +44 7......."

:D:D

That car was "cooked to perfection" after these two laps...you just don't tell an F1 driver to go "slow" :P

IIRC it was Mercedes' initiative, so it makes sense it was Hamilton doing it - or maybe Bottas, but I have heard over the week end that Lewis explicitly wanted to do this for Sir Frank.

mickdw · 16-07-2019 4:49pm

Frank is in better shape than I thought.
Didn't think he would be up to that as he has stopped travelling to gp.

Frank Bullitt · 16-07-2019 5:02pm

https://twitter.com/FormulaMoney/status/1151162525049860101

More twists in the Rich Energy saga.

Harika · 16-07-2019 5:29pm

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FormulaMoney/status/1151162525049860101

More twists in the Rich Energy saga.

Don't think Haas is allowed to change their name, see the not force India saga

Frank Bullitt · 16-07-2019 5:33pm

Harika wrote: »

Don't think Haas is allowed to change their name, see the not force India saga

I think that might be a different case because the team went into receivership, could be wrong though.

pjohnson · 16-07-2019 5:44pm

Harika wrote: »

Don't think Haas is allowed to change their name, see the not force India saga

They cant change constructor name.

Force India went from "Sahara Force India F1 Team" to "Racing Point Force India F1 Team"

They just had to stay as Force India - Mercedes as constructor.

Like after crashgate in 09 when Renault lost ING from their full name.

Harika · 16-07-2019 6:46pm

pjohnson wrote: »

They cant change constructor name.

Force India went from "Sahara Force India F1 Team" to "Racing Point Force India F1 Team"

They just had to stay as Force India - Mercedes as constructor.

Like after crashgate in 09 when Renault lost ING from their full name.

We had BMW sauber with ferrari engines.

skipper_G · 16-07-2019 6:51pm

There's something fishy with the new owner, it's a company called the BDG group. Storey is trying to pull a fast one

https://www.thebdggroup.com/

pjohnson · 16-07-2019 6:55pm

Harika wrote: »

We had BMW sauber with ferrari engines.

Iirc that was to do with them wanting to keep to 2009 BMW Sauber prize money they kept the name for 2010.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-07-2019 7:06pm

Gintonious wrote: »

I think that might be a different case because the team went into receivership, could be wrong though.

You're right. Effectively force India went bust and the new team took over after Hungary. The new team was only allowed to join due to the grace of the other teams and it started with no points (because it was brand new)

That's a lot of hassle to just drop rich energy from the name. But F1might create an exception to breath ygr association with rich energy.

I wonder if they will change away from the Black and gold rich energy livery. I don't think it's difficult too difficult to change livery.

Frank Bullitt · 16-07-2019 7:35pm

Autosport not holding back really, they never actually mention Rich by name in this at all.

mickdw · 16-07-2019 8:25pm

skipper_G wrote: »

There's something fishy with the new owner, it's a company called the BDG group. Storey is trying to pull a fast one

https://www.thebdggroup.com/

Fncking hell, he is really taking the piss with his tangled web of bullcrap.
A couple of weeks in jail might soften his cough.
He is some clown. The only thing that would make sense to me now was if William Storey doesn't in fact exist, he would shave the beard and disappear the Storey identity. That would be pretty interesting.
He is so deep in the sh1t, I don't know what he is doing. Nobody could be this crazy....spending investors money to trash your own brand and that of partners and get into all manner of legal problems along the way.

flazio · 16-07-2019 8:46pm

Harika wrote: »

We had BMW sauber with ferrari engines.

We have Aston Martin Red Bull Racing right now, with Honda engines. Alfa Romeo with Ferrari engines.

Darkglasses · 16-07-2019 8:55pm

mickdw wrote: »

Fncking hell, he is really taking the piss with his tangled web of bullcrap.
A couple of weeks in jail might soften his cough.
He is some clown. The only thing that would make sense to me now was if William Storey doesn't in fact exist, he would shave the beard and disappear the Storey identity. That would be pretty interesting.
He is so deep in the sh1t, I don't know what he is doing. Nobody could be this crazy....spending investors money to trash your own brand and that of partners and get into all manner of legal problems along the way.

Definitely - could be a Fyre Festival-style documentary on the way for him.

seamusk84 · 16-07-2019 9:13pm

mickdw wrote: »

Fncking hell, he is really taking the piss with his tangled web of bullcrap.
A couple of weeks in jail might soften his cough.
He is some clown. The only thing that would make sense to me now was if William Storey doesn't in fact exist, he would shave the beard and disappear the Storey identity. That would be pretty interesting.
He is so deep in the sh1t, I don't know what he is doing. Nobody could be this crazy....spending investors money to trash your own brand and that of partners and get into all manner of legal problems along the way.

I literally have no idea what is going on with this anymore.
Can anyone give a few line summary?

mickdw · 16-07-2019 11:59pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

Fncking hell, he is really taking the piss with his tangled web of bullcrap.
A couple of weeks in jail might soften his cough.
He is some clown. The only thing that would make sense to me now was if William Storey doesn't in fact exist, he would shave the beard and disappear the Storey identity. That would be pretty interesting.
He is so deep in the sh1t, I don't know what he is doing. Nobody could be this crazy....spending investors money to trash your own brand and that of partners and get into all manner of legal problems along the way.

I literally have no idea what is going on with this anymore.
Can anyone give a few line summary?

I dont think anyone knows but where are you up to on the goings on of Rich Energy?

TCP/IP · 17-07-2019 8:03am

Lads get your rich energy merchandise and cans while you can. This stuff is going to go down in F1 folklore

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 8:19am

TCP/IP wrote: »

Lads get your rich energy merchandise and cans while you can. This stuff is going to go down in F1 folklore

We bought a crate for Silverstone. Only drank a few because it's rank (and a weekend of beer at all hours of the day can loosen the bowels enough without adding energy drinks into the mix).

We were hoping the HAAS merch would be going cheap but it wasn't.

The black and gold livery is nice. I wonder whether they will Change the livery.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 10:03am

Return to ground effect cars under 2021 rules. Getting rid of all the aero shyte which cost millions to develop and have absolutely no real world application. Can only be a good thing. Especially if it allows cars to follow more closely.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-f1-car-design-rules-2021/4496319/amp/

quokula · 17-07-2019 10:25am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Return to ground effect cars under 2021 rules. Getting rid of all the aero shyte which cost millions to develop and have absolutely no real world application. Can only be a good thing. Especially if it allows cars to follow more closely.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-f1-car-design-rules-2021/4496319/amp/

The ground effect cars will cost millions to develop and have absolutely no real world application too.

It is a step in the right direction for overtaking though.

Such a shame they won't deal with the bigger issue of the engines though. They're what are so expensive and complicated that they're making it impossible for non-manufacturers to compete, they're what are creating such heavy cars that the regulations were forced to allow such massive levels of downforce (or ground effect) so they don't end up looking as slow as GP2 cars, and that weight also leads to increased tyre loads that forced Pirelli to go conservative, and the drivers to drive conservative.

TCP/IP · 17-07-2019 10:59am

quokula wrote: »

The ground effect cars will cost millions to develop and have absolutely no real world application too.

It is a step in the right direction for overtaking though.

Such a shame they won't deal with the bigger issue of the engines though. They're what are so expensive and complicated that they're making it impossible for non-manufacturers to compete, they're what are creating such heavy cars that the regulations were forced to allow such massive levels of downforce (or ground effect) so they don't end up looking as slow as GP2 cars, and that weight also leads to increased tyre loads that forced Pirelli to go conservative, and the drivers to drive conservative.

Exactly these PU’s are the biggest mistake to bring into F1 they have brought us nothing beneficial to the sport. Leave electric power to Formula E it has no place in F1 along with the crazy cost it is keeping other companies out of joining just look at Porsche having built a 2021 PU and when it was decided to keep the existing PU design they said no way. Such an opportunity wasted to get Porsche into F1.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 11:32am

TCP/IP wrote: »

Exactly these PU’s are the biggest mistake to bring into F1 they have brought us nothing beneficial to the sport. Leave electric power to Formula E it has no place in F1 along with the crazy cost it is keeping other companies out of joining just look at Porsche having built a 2021 PU and when it was decided to keep the existing PU design they said no way. Such an opportunity wasted to get Porsche into F1.

Without the power units three would be no manufactures in F1. It would be completely irrelevant to Mercedes etc as nd they would most likely have just gone to focus on FE or similar. F1 has to be the pinnacle of future technology or else it's just another racing formula.

It isn't the premier motorsport formula my privilege, it's there on merit. If it ceases to be the cutting edge, it will cease to be the premier motor sport.

quokula · 17-07-2019 12:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Without the power units three would be no manufactures in F1. It would be completely irrelevant to Mercedes etc as nd they would most likely have just gone to focus on FE or similar. F1 has to be the pinnacle of future technology or else it's just another racing formula.

It isn't the premier motorsport formula my privilege, it's there on merit. If it ceases to be the cutting edge, it will cease to be the premier motor sport.

There were more manufacturers in F1 prior to these power units, and the likes of Porsche and VW were turned off by them.

It's true that Mercedes threatened to quit if they didn't introduce these power units, but that would have been pretty beneficial to the sport in hindsight.

Edit: Also my definition of cutting edge is "most fit for purpose" - these power units are heavier and slower than what came before and only exist because the word "hybrid" was of marketing benefit, and because Mercedes invested a ton of money in getting a head start and used political will to force it through. The laptimes are only faster because of the huge amount of extra downforce they put on the cars to compensate for the subpar engines, which in turn has destroyed racing. The headline power numbers get quoted a lot for publicity, and they are powerful, but that ignores that they only have that power some of the time and are underpowered while they harvest, and none of it makes up for the enormous extra weight that they carry through corners, which reduces cornering speed and puts more load on the tyres and discourages drivers from pushing.

Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

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