Irishman set to be deported from the US

Yurt2 · 13-07-2019 11:43pm #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2019/0713/1061944-deportation/

Irish father of three has been arrested by ICE for overstaying his holiday visa and is slated for deportation any day now. He apparently entered in 2007 and has been there ever since. He got married to an American national in 2009.

Harsh deportation or fair enough because he was an overstayer?

meeeeh · 13-07-2019 11:45pm

Dragging a father away from his kids is not just harsh it's inhumane.

amcalester · 13-07-2019 11:47pm

He’s there illegally, chuck him out.

No different than those over here illegally. Just cause he had kids is no reason to let him stay.

_blaaz · 13-07-2019 11:48pm

America is a really really messed up place with a long while now

Maybe he's better off here with his wife and kids

Yurt2 · 13-07-2019 11:49pm

His drug possession conviction back in Ireland probably prevented him from regularising his status in the US and taking citizenship. You'd imagine he'd have been naturalised long ago otherwise.

Shows the value of keeping a clean bib, even if it's a particularly sharp implementation of immigration law.

Inquitus · 13-07-2019 11:52pm

Marijuana possession in his early 20's, its all a bit harsh, especially now he is married to a Yank with kids, seems like he is going to get shafted.

Jimbob1977 · 13-07-2019 11:53pm

If there were no rules, penalties or sanctions, the US population would soar.

Some Americans appear to want uncontrolled migration, with sanctuary cities turning a blind eye to everything. You can't have millions of people under the radar.

Every country needs to control its own borders. Whether it's Ireland, Togo, Chile or the United States

Tweeter · 13-07-2019 11:55pm

He broke the law when he didn't leave when his visa expired.
Case closed.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-07-2019 11:57pm

The US is implementing it's laws.

Some would argue we should take a more proactive approach to doing the same here.

I really don't see how there can be any arguments on this case given what is known.

Fan of Netflix · 14-07-2019 12:00am

I know some lads over there illegally. ICE are planning mass raids and deportation tomorrow. Very different to here, we don't deport many people.

mojesius · 14-07-2019 12:01am

Looks like their best option is to all join him back to Ireland. Plenty of work/opportunities for painters/decorators at present here. Weather might be a bit danker than what they're used to though

Gatling · 14-07-2019 12:03am

There country their rules .

Nothing stopping his wife and kids relocating here ,
If only we could implement the same here without people complaining about rights including for our own imported foreign criminal's

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:04am

He chose to overstay knowing the risk of getting caught and sent home was always there. Not much else to be said.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:08am

Sonny noggs wrote: »

He chose to overstay knowing the risk of getting caught and sent home was always there. Not much else to be said.

to break the law

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 12:11am

What I find funny is that Obama deported so people in so much more effective way and without much fuss. Trump will never catch him and yet democrats won't mention it because they don't want to be associated with biggest deportation numbers and Trump won't point it out because he is pretending he is taking hard stance against immigration.

So instead we get this type of stories. Of all the people they decide to evict is someone who has a job, pays his taxes, has a family and is trying to resolve his situation. Low laying fruit to improve the stats.

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:12am

Tweeter wrote: »

to break the law

Correct

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:13am

meeeeh wrote: »

What I find funny is that Obama deported so people in so much more effective way and without much fuss. Trump will never catch him and yet democrats won't mention it because they don't want to be associated with biggest deportation numbers and Trump won't point it out because he is pretending he is taking hard stance against immigration.

So instead we get this type of stories. Of all the people they decide to evict is someone who has a job, pays his taxes, has a family and is trying to resolve his situation. Low laying fruit to improve the stats.

They should all be sent packing.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:15am

meeeeh wrote: »

What I find funny is that Obama deported so people in so much more effective way and without much fuss. Trump will never catch him and yet democrats won't mention it because they don't want to be associated with biggest deportation numbers and Trump won't point it out because he is pretending he is taking hard stance against immigration.

So instead we get this type of stories. Of all the people they decide to evict is someone who has a job, pays his taxes, has a family and is trying to resolve his situation. Low laying fruit to improve the stats.

Can you provide or link to the stats you mention?

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 12:15am

Sonny noggs wrote: »

They should all be sent packing.

Well you seem to have a plan so you might want to advise Americans hiw to do it. Or is it again just hard man mounting off on the internet.

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 12:18am

Tweeter wrote: »

Can you provide or link to the stats you mention?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration/index.html

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:19am

meeeeh wrote: »

Well you seem to have a plan so you might want to advise Americans hiw to do it. Or is it again just hard man mounting off on the internet.

Happy to help them if they ask but it looks like they have it in hand though. Are you one of those that thinks the rule of law doesn’t apply to illegal immigrants? Silly boy.

Danzy · 14-07-2019 12:19am

America is moving away from neoliberal politics, in some regards, expect more of this.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:22am

meeeeh wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html

Good come back as I hadn't expected this to be actually true.

Nonetheless, it has nothing to do with the the OP, the dude broke the law and should be punished accordingly

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 12:26am

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Happy to help them if they ask but it looks like they have it in hand though. Are you one of those that thinks the rule of law doesn’t apply to illegal immigrants? Silly boy.

No I am one of those who thinks you go first for criminals and recent arrivals, those who don't have jobs and not for people who integrated into community well. Your boy obviously decided to look at the permanent residency applications because they have addresses for those and decided to prioritise them against serious criminals who are not as accommodating at providing address.

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:29am

meeeeh wrote: »

No I am one of those who thinks you go first for criminals and recent arrivals, those who don't have jobs and not for people who integrated into community well. Your boy obviously decided to look at the permanent residency applications because they have addresses for those and decided to prioritise them against serious criminals who are not as accommodating at providing address.

They are all fair game, ‘low hanging fruit’ (in your words) or not.

BRYAN Is Ainm Dom · 14-07-2019 12:31am

If was other way and he was illegal here, people would be calling to deport immediately.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:31am

meeeeh wrote: »

No I am one of those who thinks you go first for criminals and recent arrivals, those who don't have jobs and not for people who integrated into community well. Your boy obviously decided to look at the permanent residency applications because they have addresses for those and decided to prioritise them against serious criminals who are not as accommodating at providing address.

So breaking the law with utter contempt for the country that you have successfully integrated into is cool? Or have I got that wrong?

Yurt2 · 14-07-2019 12:32am

Some interesting figures surrounding the cost of deportations in the US. It costs around $13k to execute each deportation on average. A think thank (probably a right-leaning one it must be said) estimates that an unskilled undocumented immigrant uses $75k more of public services than they put into the economy over their lifetime (on average).

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/28/deportation-costs-immigration/307548001/

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:36am

BRYAN Is Ainm Dom wrote: »

If was other way and he was illegal here, people would be calling to deport immediately.

Some people would, others would be organising marches / protests and social media campaigns to keep him here. Plus the appeals process would be endless.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:38am

Yurt! wrote: »

It costs around $13k to execute each deportation on average.

Worth it

Atlantic Dawn · 14-07-2019 12:39am

How many illegal undocumented Irish over there get deported each year, barely ever makes the news are we talking a handful?

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 12:40am

Tweeter wrote: »

So breaking the law with utter contempt for the country that you have successfully integrated into is cool? Or have I got that wrong?

You can twist it as you wish. It's low hanging fruit for maga hats to believe Trump is actually doing something. Like fake Versailles style in his NY hotel it takes special type to fall for it.

Calhoun · 14-07-2019 12:40am

What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. I believe in having sovereignty over a countries borders and enforcing the law and deporting those there illegal is a necessary evil.

While I do empathize with him as a father myself, he has to take some responsibility for the situation he is in.

Also there is no way any exceptions could be made for him because he is white Irish . You could imagine the cries of racism if they did.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:47am

meeeeh wrote: »

You can twist it as you wish. It's low hanging fruit for maga hats to believe Trump is actually doing something. Like fake Versailles style in his NY hotel it takes special type to fall for it.

What twist would that be now? Are you saying he's not breaking the law?

Gatling · 14-07-2019 12:50am

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Some people would, others would be organising marches / protests and social media campaigns to keep him here. Plus the appeals process would be endless.

This is actually what would happen

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 12:52am

Tweeter wrote: »

What twist would that be now? Are you saying he's not breaking the law?

No I'm not saying that. But the didn't manage to evict him before he had kids, before he got married to American citizen, they are doing now when they will cause much grearer harm to his kids or wife who hadn't broken any laws. If you think this kind of eviction trumps going after drug dealers, gang members and similar fine. I don't.

Mongfinder General · 14-07-2019 12:53am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How many illegal undocumented Irish over there get deported each year, barely ever makes the news are we talking a handful?

46 last year. They're basically turning a blind eye.

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 12:55am

meeeeh wrote: »

No I'm not saying that. But the didn't manage to evict him before he had kids, before he got married to American citizen, they are doing now when they will cause much grearer harm to his kids or wife who hadn't broken any laws. If you think this kind of eviction trumps going after drug dealers, gang members and similar fine. I don't.

Maybe he should have ‘evicted’ himself. Plus Trump wasn’t in power back then.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 12:59am

meeeeh wrote: »

If you think this kind of eviction trumps going after drug dealers, gang members and similar fine.

No I don't think it trumps any of those things, however that's not what the thread is about.
Are you saying it's ok to break the law if other people are breaking bigger laws than you broke?

listermint · 14-07-2019 12:59am

Yurt! wrote: »

Some interesting figures surrounding the cost of deportations in the US. It costs around $13k to execute each deportation on average. A think thank (probably a right-leaning one it must be said) estimates that an unskilled undocumented immigrant uses $75k more of public services than they put into the economy over their lifetime (on average).

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/28/deportation-costs-immigration/307548001/

There no way in hell that figure is true.

meeeeh · 14-07-2019 1:01am

Tweeter wrote: »

No I don't think it trumps any of those things, however that's not what the thread is about.
Are you saying it's ok to break the law if other people are breaking bigger laws than you broke?

This is getting tedious.

Edit: You keep a score card as it is obvious by your reply when I provided you requested srats. You can give yourself a point, maybe two and a gold star.

Tweeter · 14-07-2019 1:05am

meeeeh wrote: »

This is getting tedious.

Class response, pure class. What a trooper you are

yesto24 · 14-07-2019 1:08am

meeeeh wrote: »

What I find funny is that Obama deported so people in so much more effective way and without much fuss. Trump will never catch him and yet democrats won't mention it because they don't want to be associated with biggest deportation numbers and Trump won't point it out because he is pretending he is taking hard stance against immigration.

So instead we get this type of stories. Of all the people they decide to evict is someone who has a job, pays his taxes, has a family and is trying to resolve his situation. Low laying fruit to improve the stats.

So it's Trumps fault?
Its always Trumps fault.
Change the record it's boring.

This is it · 14-07-2019 1:09am

meeeeh wrote: »

No I'm not saying that. But the didn't manage to evict him before he had kids, before he got married to American citizen, they are doing now when they will cause much grearer harm to his kids or wife who hadn't broken any laws. If you think this kind of eviction trumps going after drug dealers, gang members and similar fine. I don't.

It's doesn't have to be one or the other, it can be both.

I have sympathy for him and his family but at the same time he must have known this was always a possibility while he remained there illegally.

Bob24 · 14-07-2019 5:52am

meeeeh wrote: »

You can twist it as you wish. It's low hanging fruit for maga hats to believe Trump is actually doing something. Like fake Versailles style in his NY hotel it takes special type to fall for it.

What is wrong going with low hanging fruits first though? In most area of life it is a common strategy to clear the easy stuff first.

Also being low hanging or not is pretty much irrelevant to his case: he’s been an outlaw for over 10 years and knew it, and the law is now being enforced. Whether it was easy or hard for the authorities to go after him doesn’t change that he is facing the logical and legal consequences of his previous actions. Of course it doesn’t change the fact that we can sympathise about a family being impacted, but that doesn’t mean we should be emotionally blackmailed by that fact or ignore both parents responsibility in the current situation (at least the father but most likely both of them willingly chose to chance the illegal route and to build their family on this basis).

And in terms of efficiency, clearly the effect of this isn’t just to remove existing illegal immigrants: it also changes the expectation for potential new illegal migrants and reduces their amount. I.e. other Irish people who are currently in the US and have been overstaying their visa/waivers for a few weeks/months and letting themselves sleepwalk into becoming long term illegal immigrants might have a wake up call reading about this type of stories, and go back into legality (as opposed to thinking things will be alright because the expectation is that the ICE doesn’t go after the illegal Irish).

worded · 14-07-2019 7:19am

Stunning looking bride

Hopefully they reunite the family in Ireland or he gets to stay

sweetie · 14-07-2019 7:35am

If anyone bothered to read the articles about this poor family they would know that moving to Ireland isn't feasible as the wife has a son from a previous relationship. They were also doing their best to work with the authorities to gain citizenship. Perhaps they shouldn't ever have let him into the country in the first place with those convictions hanging over him.

Reati · 14-07-2019 7:40am

While a lot of focus is made on his having kids, the part of the story that amazes me is he was able to get a SSN, legally work, start a business pay his taxes, get married etc while being a visa overstayer.

While I understand and agree that he should be deported by law, I don't understand why it takes so long and how they give people all of the above instead of deporting them when they try to get a SSN or start a business or get married or pay taxes etc?

Can any on explain how that stuff works over there in context of a visa overstayer.

Sonny noggs · 14-07-2019 8:15am

sweetie wrote: »

If anyone bothered to read the articles about this poor family they would know that moving to Ireland isn't feasible as the wife has a son from a previous relationship. They were also doing their best to work with the authorities to gain citizenship. Perhaps they shouldn't ever have let him into the country in the first place with those convictions hanging over him.

He entered as a tourist and decided to stay. His choice. I’m sure they wouldn’t have let him enter had they known he wasn’t going to leave.

Sleeper12 · 14-07-2019 8:26am

Inquitus wrote:

Marijuana possession in his early 20's, its all a bit harsh, especially now he is married to a Yank with kids, seems like he is going to get shafted.

I remember back in the 80s a member of U2 was caught smoking a joint in the back of a car. When it got to court (yes court for a joint) it was explained to the judge that any drug conviction at all would effect the bands chance of touring in the states. Judge gave him the probation act.

The above shows how any drug conviction will effect visas for the States

paw patrol · 14-07-2019 8:45am

it's a very sad case but he was illegal and knew the score. He got married and had kids still knowing he could have been kicked out.
he should have gotten his affairs in order.

People are funny , they act without thought of consequences then cry when the consequences kick in.

Irishman set to be deported from the US

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