Irishman set to be deported from the US

facehugger99

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Guy could have come back from the US during the recession and sat on the dole. Instead he sets up his own business, gets married, taking on his partner’s child from a previous relationship, starts a family. Can’t regularize his status because of some minor drug conviction. The reaction on boards? A bunch of self-righteous assholes going “waa-waa, he broke the law!!! Deport him!!!” I think Ireland should be allowed deport you lot to a leper colony.

No doubt global immigration laws should be ripped up and anyone with a hard luck story gains automatic citizen rights in whatever country they like.

Bob24

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Guy could have come back from the US during the recession and sat on the dole. Instead he sets up his own business, gets married, taking on his partner’s child from a previous relationship, starts a family. Can’t regularize his status because of some minor drug conviction. The reaction on boards? A bunch of self-righteous assholes going “waa-waa, he broke the law!!! Deport him!!!” I think Ireland should be allowed deport you lot to a leper colony.

You’re making a lot of assumptions here. For exemple absolutely nothing has been publicly released to show that the drug conviction is the reason he couldn’t regularise his situation, or that it was indeed a “minor” conviction.

Cryptopagan

Bob24 wrote: »

You’re making a lot of assumptions here. For exemple absolutely nothing has been publicly released to show that the drug conviction is the reason he couldn’t regularise his situation, or that it was indeed a “minor” conviction.

“His wife Keran Byrne told RTÉ News they have spent years going through the legal process to try to "adjust his status", but have been refused several times, due to a minor drugs conviction in Ireland.”

whisky_galore

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Guy could have come back from the US during the recession and sat on the dole. Instead he sets up his own business, gets married, taking on his partner’s child from a previous relationship, starts a family. Can’t regularize his status because of some minor drug conviction. The reaction on boards? A bunch of self-righteous assholes going “waa-waa, he broke the law!!! Deport him!!!” I think Ireland should be allowed deport you lot to a leper colony.

Ah shur God love him. Michael D should give him a medal on his return.

Cryptopagan

Cryptopagan wrote:

A bunch of self-righteous assholes going “waa-waa, he broke the law!!! Deport him!!!†I think Ireland should be allowed deport you lot to a leper colony.

Good one.

As matter of interest, do you think the law should be applied to all people of just a certain few?

Is it being self righteous to expect that people who are caught breaking the law are punished?

PhilOssophy

Poor guy, I mean imagine wanting to live in the US and feeling hard done by at being deported from there

Cryptopagan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good one.

As matter of interest, do you think the law should be applied to all people of just a certain few?

Is it being self righteous to expect that people who are caught breaking the law are punished?

Stupid, unjust laws that separate a guy who is working away and providing for his family from his wife and kids and pack him off “home” to a country he hasn’t lived in over a decade can go in the bin.

is_that_so

Cryptopagan wrote: »

“His wife Keran Byrne told RTÉ News they have spent years going through the legal process to try to "adjust his status", but have been refused several times, due to a minor drugs conviction in Ireland.”

One would have thought that some reflection on the continued rejection might have ensued up to and including moving to another country just in case.

Cryptopagan

is_that_so wrote: »

One would have thought that some reflection on the continued rejection might have ensued up to and including moving to another country just in case.

His wife has a child from a previous relationship, so they couldn’t simply up sticks.

Cryptopagan

Cryptopagan wrote:

Stupid, unjust laws that separate a guy who is working away and providing for his family from his wife and kids and pack him off “home†to a country he hasn’t lived in over a decade can go in the bin.

Oh ok. I didn't realise that immigration laws were stupid and unjust. I thought they were a necessity for any country and the same rules should apply for people who break them.

But apparently if you have a sob story then you should be able to live there illegally without punishment.

How silly of me.

splinter65

Cryptopagan wrote: »

His wife has a child from a previous relationship, so they couldn’t simply up sticks.

US isn’t N Korea. He she and their kids could leave at any time. I don’t know why you think that having kids ties you to a country. People move around all the time.
This is more of the “endless excuses for why I ****ed up” mentality gripping the country at the moment.
Cringe.

is_that_so

Cryptopagan wrote: »

His wife has a child from a previous relationship, so they couldn’t simply up sticks.

You work around these things. Know someone who had the same type of problem with their home country and a child. Legal process took months but eventually allowed the child to leave. Common sense suggests that the law is going to look unkindly on him into perpetuity so Plan B needs to be looked at.

ddarcy

Cryptopagan wrote: »

His wife has a child from a previous relationship, so they couldn’t simply up sticks.

He has lots of issues here:

1. He lied on his ESTA- which is a federal crime. It’s stated on the ESTA

Btw he could still visit the USA, but would have needed a different Visa

2. He overstated the Visa- another federal crime.

3. He fraudulently obtained working documents- again a crime

4. Hes not a women - if he was a women and popped out a kid then he’d be given rights to stay in the USA as the legal system favours a mother over a father.

5. He knew the risks and unfortunately for him they have come home to bite him.

I believe if he hadn’t lied in his initial visa he may have been ok. But the US system is ruthless and he seems to have surpassed the mark of acceptance.

So it’s not a drugs conviction holding him back. I see three other crimes committed as well, that he knowingly committed.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good one.

As matter of interest, do you think the law should be applied to all people of just a certain few?

Is it being self righteous to expect that people who are caught breaking the law are punished?

There’s almost a touch of racism going on albeit subconsciously.
Apparently Irish people are superior to other illlegal immigrants, possibly because their mostly white and Christian, and should not be subject to the immigration laws, whereas other races are fair game.

Cryptopagan

splinter65 wrote: »

US isn’t N Korea. He she and their kids could leave at any time. I don’t know why you think that having kids ties you to a country. People move around all the time.
This is more of the “endless excuses for why I ****ed up” mentality gripping the country at the moment.
Cringe.

Do you think maybe that child might have a father who plays some role in their life, and they maybe don’t want to take the child away to some place else? And then you’ll have problems with that child’s status in other countries. And then there’s the whole leaving jobs, homes, schools behind and starting from scratch some place.

Bob24

Cryptopagan wrote: »

“His wife Keran Byrne told RTÉ News they have spent years going through the legal process to try to "adjust his status", but have been refused several times, due to a minor drugs conviction in Ireland.”

So as I said, nothing has been publicly released to show the conviction is definitely the cause of the refusal, or that it was indeed minor.

This has been discussed in the thread before, but all we have is a statement from his wife which is obviously going to paint the situation at her advantage (which is understandable but it would be incredibly naive to assume what she says is the full and complete truth). No evidence or independent press enquiry whatsoever to back that statement.

is_that_so

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Do you think maybe that child might have a father who plays some role in their life, and they maybe don’t want to take the child away to some place else? And then you’ll have problems with that child’s status in other countries. And then there’s the whole leaving jobs, homes, schools behind and starting from scratch some place.

It's not some place, it's Ireland and he seems to have a trade and is/was running a business. Really can't see too many problems here on that score.

splinter65

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Do you think maybe that child might have a father who plays some role in their life, and they maybe don’t want to take the child away to some place else? And then you’ll have problems with that child’s status in other countries. And then there’s the whole leaving jobs, homes, schools behind and starting from scratch some place.

All issues that adults working together can overcome. No way anywhere near an excuse for them to be treated any differently to any other illegal immigrants.

whisky_galore

splinter65 wrote: »

US isn’t N Korea. He she and their kids could leave at any time. I don’t know why you think that having kids ties you to a country. People move around all the time.
This is more of the “endless excuses for why I ****ed up” mentality gripping the country at the moment.
Cringe.

Has the "Well respected family" and "involved in the GAA" lines come out yet?

Fan of Netflix

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s almost a touch of racism going on albeit subconsciously.
Apparently Irish people are superior to other illlegal immigrants, possibly because their mostly white and Christian, and should not be subject to the immigration laws, whereas other races are fair game.

I don't think that is the case, I think it's understandable people would be more likely to favour someone from their own country. Religion is nothing to do with it, most illegal immigrants in the US are Catholics from Latin America.

I do however think those from El Salvador and Honduras etc are in a far worse position. Being deported back here is not the worse place to be sent. Back to El Salvador, it could be a death sentence for many of those people.

splinter65

whisky_galore wrote: »

Has the "Well respected family" and "involved in the GAA" lines come out yet?

Any minute now.

Cryptopagan

ddarcy wrote: »

He has lots of issues here:

1. He lied on his ESTA- which is a federal crime. It’s stated on the ESTA

Btw he could still visit the USA, but would have needed a different Visa

2. He overstated the Visa- another federal crime.

3. He fraudulently obtained working documents- again a crime

4. Hes not a women - if he was a women and popped out a kid then he’d be given rights to stay in the USA as the legal system favours a mother over a father.

5. He knew the risks and unfortunately for him they have come home to bite him.

I believe if he hadn’t lied in his initial visa he may have been ok. But the US system is ruthless and he seems to have surpassed the mark of acceptance.

So it’s not a drugs conviction holding him back. I see three other crimes committed as well, that he knowingly committed.

I know, he’s an awful criminal so he is. His poor victims!

Cryptopagan

splinter65 wrote: »

All issues that adults working together can overcome. No way anywhere near an excuse for them to be treated any differently to any other illegal immigrants.

Anyone in an equivalent situation should be allowed stay and continue to live their blameless lives.

splinter65

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I don't think that is the case, I think it's understandable people would be more likely to favour someone from their own country. Religion is nothing to do with it, most illegal immigrants in the US are Catholics from Latin America.

I do however think those from El Salvador and Honduras etc are in a far worse position. Being deported back here is not the worse place to be sent. Back to El Salvador, it could be a death sentence for many of those people.

I’m identifying the subtle racism in a lot of posters making excuses for the illegal immigrant. It’s definitely there.

Cryptopagan

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not some place, it's Ireland and he seems to have a trade and is/was running a business. Really can't see too many problems here on that score.

Ireland was in the grip of a massive crisis for a good few of the years he was there, and “getting a job” is only one of the problems upping sticks like that, especially when you’ve a child who isn’t Irish in any sense to consider.

Cryptopagan

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m identifying the subtle racism in a lot of posters making excuses for the illegal immigrant. It’s definitely there.

^Straight to the leper colony.

ddarcy

Cryptopagan wrote: »

I know, he’s an awful criminal so he is. His poor victims!

There’s also a supply and demand issue. There are thousands of immigrants with his same abilities that don’t have prior convictions.

Unfortunately for him tough crap. He needs to be sent back. Have no sympathy for him.

If I illegally came to Ireland, got illegal documents off the IRA or other source and then knocked up an Irish bird, should I be allowed to stay? That’s what he has done and you can bet Ireland would deport as well.

is_that_so

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Ireland was in the grip of a massive crisis for a good few of the years he was there, and “getting a job” is only one of the problems upping sticks like that, especially when you’ve a child who isn’t Irish in any sense to consider.

You keep making excuses for people unable to see past their noses. He screwed up, lied, overstayed his visa and has been rejected several times for regularisation. He clearly gambled on them not applying the law ever. As I said make a contingency plan. To keep butting their heads head with an immovable force is not a plan.

splinter65

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Anyone in an equivalent situation should be allowed stay and continue to live their blameless lives.

It’s just unfortunate for you and he that immigration laws all over the world don’t agree with you. Honesty and integrity are very important values to have and display when you want things to work out for you in officialdom.

splinter65

Cryptopagan wrote: »

^Straight to the leper colony.

Yes I agree. Racists like yourself who think that white Irish people are superior to foreign black people and should be exempt from immigration laws for that very reason should be packed off to a leper colony.