Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Pinch Flat · 08-07-2019 11:54AM

Just had a taxi driver "teach me a lesson" (in his eyes, I guess) on the north quays this morning. The traffic was stopped at the lights at the fours courts. About a dozen or so bikes waiting at red to use the shared cycle / bus lane towards Arran Quay. There's an unmarked bike advance box there (i.e a gap where the traffic should stop and the lines for the ped crossing). which the bikes are occupying.

Taxi driver was inching forward, invading the space occupied by the cyclists. Lights go green, and we all head off. But taxi driver can't use the bike / bus lane, so he comes up the outside, cutting a few of us who are indicating to use the lane towards Millennium Bridge further on. Skimmed right past me. He was stuck i traffic further up, I was going to have a word, but I usually find a lot of them are so pig ignorant, it's pointless. I find taxi drivers by far most ignorant and aggressive road users the biggest hazard to cyclists in and around Dublin.

magicbastarder · 08-07-2019 12:07PM

mr spuckler wrote: »

I was sat at the entrance to Dublin port this morning for about 3-4 mins while a freight train crossed the road leaving the port. Not one sign of impatience from the large number of motorists waiting on both sides of the road. 500m up the road crossing East Link bridge, a van driver insisted on sitting on my back wheel because I was delaying him by seconds. It really isn't about the delays, it's often about the irrational dislike of cyclists or assumption that we shouldn't be on the road.

i think it's a bit more subtle than that.
stuck at a level crossing, you know you can't move, there's no question about it, you just deal with it.
'stuck' behind a cyclist, you can see the open road ahead, willing you to your freedom you so richly deserve, you know you could move were it not for this temporary road block. i think the fact that you are moving, but more slowly than you'd like, is more frustrating for some people than actually just being stopped. it's not just level crossings where you see motorists simply resigned to their fate; they get more irritated stuck behind a cyclist than they would do if they got stuck at lights or in stationary traffic.

What Username Guidelines · 08-07-2019 12:22PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i think it's a bit more subtle than that.
stuck at a level crossing, you know you can't move, there's no question about it, you just deal with it.
'stuck' behind a cyclist, you can see the open road ahead, willing you to your freedom you so richly deserve, you know you could move were it not for this temporary road block. i think the fact that you are moving, but more slowly than you'd like, is more frustrating for some people than actually just being stopped. it's not just level crossings where you see motorists simply resigned to their fate; they get more irritated stuck behind a cyclist than they would do if they got stuck at lights or in stationary traffic.

They say in heaven there is no internet at all, whereas in hell, there is really really slow internet.

Pinch Flat · 08-07-2019 12:25PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i think it's a bit more subtle than that.
stuck at a level crossing, you know you can't move, there's no question about it, you just deal with it.
'stuck' behind a cyclist, you can see the open road ahead, willing you to your freedom you so richly deserve, you know you could move were it not for this temporary road block. i think the fact that you are moving, but more slowly than you'd like, is more frustrating for some people than actually just being stopped. it's not just level crossings where you see motorists simply resigned to their fate; they get more irritated stuck behind a cyclist than they would do if they got stuck at lights or in stationary traffic.

Those pesky level crossing barriers don't matter to certain drivers.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dangerous-driving-trains-4670936-Jun2019/

AndrewJRenko · 08-07-2019 12:27PM

micar wrote: »

Link to the pleasant experience this morning This is the first video I've uploaded

https://youtu.be/1xGMngQO3fA

Not as close as I thought .......might have said "responsibility" a few too many times.

Time stamp out by an hour.

CramCycle wrote: »

Cameras as I have discovered make things seem further away and slower than experience would have you believe. His first response was to threaten to hit you, says it all really. Normal people would say, "oh f*ck, sorry", and that would be the end of it. Some people are sh1t and you were very calm and restrained considering he threatened and squared up to you.

Any chance of making out the logo on his top?

mr spuckler · 08-07-2019 01:45PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i think it's a bit more subtle than that.
stuck at a level crossing, you know you can't move, there's no question about it, you just deal with it.
'stuck' behind a cyclist, you can see the open road ahead, willing you to your freedom you so richly deserve, you know you could move were it not for this temporary road block. i think the fact that you are moving, but more slowly than you'd like, is more frustrating for some people than actually just being stopped. it's not just level crossings where you see motorists simply resigned to their fate; they get more irritated stuck behind a cyclist than they would do if they got stuck at lights or in stationary traffic.

You may well be right regarding the subtlety but I should have added previously that the road in front of me was occupied by a lorry, he was going nowhere regardless.

CramCycle · 08-07-2019 08:18PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any chance of making out the logo on his top?

Air Force H&V

micar · 08-07-2019 09:42PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Any chance of making out the logo on his top?

CramCycle wrote: »

Air Force H&V

Thanks for that.

I would never have got it.

Might find out who the Directors are and will email them.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 08-07-2019 09:49PM

Information on the company and name of at least one director is available on the CIF website (here)

Airforce H & V Ltd
Address: Unit 47 & 48 Broomhill Close
Town/City: Tallaght
County: Dublin 24
Contact: Mr John Grainger (Hi John!!)
Role: Managing Director
Phone: 01 4040909
Email: john@airforcehv.com

There you go, let us know how you get on.

micar wrote: »

Thanks for that.

I would never have got it.

Might find out who the Directors are and will email them.

AndrewJRenko · 08-07-2019 11:00PM

Emmet Chubby Memory wrote: »

Information on the company and name of at least one director is available on the CIF website (here)

Airforce H & V Ltd
Address: Unit 47 & 48 Broomhill Close
Town/City: Tallaght
County: Dublin 24
Contact: Mr John Grainger (Hi John!!)
Role: Managing Director
Phone: 01 4040909
Email: john@airforcehv.com

There you go, let us know how you get on.

I'd love to be in the room when that meeting happens in the morning. I've had a few very positive responses from employers to issues raised in recent months.

work · 08-07-2019 11:04PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Just had a taxi driver "teach me a lesson" (in his eyes, I guess) on the north quays this morning. The traffic was stopped at the lights at the fours courts. About a dozen or so bikes waiting at red to use the shared cycle / bus lane towards Arran Quay. There's an unmarked bike advance box there (i.e a gap where the traffic should stop and the lines for the ped crossing). which the bikes are occupying.

Taxi driver was inching forward, invading the space occupied by the cyclists. Lights go green, and we all head off. But taxi driver can't use the bike / bus lane, so he comes up the outside, cutting a few of us who are indicating to use the lane towards Millennium Bridge further on. Skimmed right past me. He was stuck i traffic further up, I was going to have a word, but I usually find a lot of them are so pig ignorant, it's pointless. I find taxi drivers by far most ignorant and aggressive road users the biggest hazard to cyclists in and around Dublin.

You may be correct but most are actually decent. All dog owners don't leave poo on the path...All cyclist don't skip reds and all Taxi drivers are not road wanfers. Most are actually decent it's just the sizeable minority of ignorant ones. Unfortunately cars kill and the others much less likely.

Pinch Flat · 08-07-2019 11:26PM

work wrote: »

You may be correct but most are actually decent. All dog owners don't leave poo on the path...All cyclist don't skip reds and all Taxi drivers are not road wanfers. Most are actually decent it's just the sizeable minority of ignorant ones. Unfortunately cars kill and the others much less likely.

No doubt. It's a sizable minority allright, but we'll have to agree to disagree - most of my closest calls have been with taxi drivers and it's a daily occurence in central dublin.

My own daily experience with taxi drivers is that they'll

- frequently pull left for a fare, regardless of who's behind them
- block a bus lane with little regard for other road users (the Arlington Hotel at Bachelors Walk is a favourite),
- skim you in a bus lane - they seem to take particular exception to cyclists "taking the lane" or, dare I say it, turning right.
- They universally ignore the 30kph city centre limit (and any speed limit for that matter) in central Dublin
- Will bully any cyclist who dares use the bike / bus lane
- Cut across you at Liberty hall to get to Gardiner Street / Busaras

All in my own experience and completely unscientific of course, based on a daily commute from west to central Dublin.

bren_mc · 09-07-2019 08:37AM

Worst close pass I've ever had this morning on the North Quays just after the junction with Beckett Bridge. On a DB on the small section after the bridge where there's no bike lane when Swords express went by me with inches to spare. He's still alongside - about half the bus length still behind me when he starts to pull in. I'd to slam on to avoid getting taken out. Anyone who knows me will tell you I wouldn't say boo to a goose - I've had close passes before and approached the drivers about it but always kept my composure and always glad afterwards. But this one had me apoplectic. Caught up with him at the next set of lights. Hammered on the door shouting a few expletives but he wouldn't open it - probably for the best. Stopped again at the IFSC and got a picture of the reg. Have emailed the company.

mr spuckler · 09-07-2019 10:11AM

bren_mc wrote: »

Worst close pass I've ever had this morning on the North Quays just after the junction with Beckett Bridge. On a DB on the small section after the bridge where there's no bike lane when Swords express went by me with inches to spare. He's still alongside - about half the bus length still behind me when he starts to pull in. I'd to slam on to avoid getting taken out. Anyone who knows me will tell you I wouldn't say boo to a goose - I've had close passes before and approached the drivers about it but always kept my composure and always glad afterwards. But this one had me apoplectic. Caught up with him at the next set of lights. Hammered on the door shouting a few expletives but he wouldn't open it - probably for the best. Stopped again at the IFSC and got a picture of the reg. Have emailed the company.

FFS. If I were you I'd try an approach similar to the subject data request process that Dublin Bus operate, to see if they'll provide you with camera footage under GDPR.

The process is discussed here.

What Username Guidelines · 09-07-2019 10:13AM

Ok, so probably shouldn't have triggered this guy by calling him a f**khead, but some context of off-camera...

I'm in the lane for straight ahead, left lane only turn gets their arrow off-camera and you can hear a bunch of cars beeping. Guy at top of queue is laughing to his buddy, he doesn't care, he's going straight and everyone can wait. This happens every day here, but usually they are sheepish and allow the cyclists get kerbside as they look for a gap. I know, stupid to presume this guy would do same.

We get our green, I'm setting off, when he actually quite clearly says "outta the way" and swerves towards me as he's overtaking cyclist on inside. I react (won't be winning any awards for creative name calling) and he instantly hits the brakes and the abuse starts. The rest is clear from the video. I think he called me a tramp (?) when he spills himself out of the car.

Just another day cycling in Dublin

https://streamable.com/gjfgz

CramCycle · 09-07-2019 11:10AM

Attempted assault, straight to the gardai with that one.

gavinoontheweb · 09-07-2019 12:38PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Ok, so probably shouldn't have triggered this guy by calling him a f**khead, but some context of off-camera...

I'm in the lane for straight ahead, left lane only turn gets their arrow off-camera and you can hear a bunch of cars beeping. Guy at top of queue is laughing to his buddy, he doesn't care, he's going straight and everyone can wait. This happens every day here, but usually they are sheepish and allow the cyclists get kerbside as they look for a gap. I know, stupid to presume this guy would do same.

We get our green, I'm setting off, when he actually quite clearly says "outta the way" and swerves towards me as he's overtaking cyclist on inside. I react (won't be winning any awards for creative name calling) and he instantly hits the brakes and the abuse starts. The rest is clear from the video. I think he called me a tramp (?) when he spills himself out of the car.

Just another day cycling in Dublin

https://streamable.com/gjfgz

I go through that junction myself a few times a week and that sort of behaviour has just become normalised there. Most people are aware of the left filter but still purposely drive up there to avoid being stuck behind a vehicle turning right onto Pearse street.

From your post I presumed it would be some young lads giving you hassle, I didn't expect some of Dublin's 'true blue' aul fellas, Pathetic.

Duckjob · 09-07-2019 12:56PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Ok, so probably shouldn't have triggered this guy by calling him a f**khead, but some context of off-camera...

I'm in the lane for straight ahead, left lane only turn gets their arrow off-camera and you can hear a bunch of cars beeping. Guy at top of queue is laughing to his buddy, he doesn't care, he's going straight and everyone can wait. This happens every day here, but usually they are sheepish and allow the cyclists get kerbside as they look for a gap. I know, stupid to presume this guy would do same.

We get our green, I'm setting off, when he actually quite clearly says "outta the way" and swerves towards me as he's overtaking cyclist on inside. I react (won't be winning any awards for creative name calling) and he instantly hits the brakes and the abuse starts. The rest is clear from the video. I think he called me a tramp (?) when he spills himself out of the car.

Just another day cycling in Dublin

https://streamable.com/gjfgz

Your audible assessment of this gent was pretty accurate TBF

Just goes to show, grace and manners don't necessarily come with age.

tuxy · 09-07-2019 01:02PM

He really went out of his way to show his face on camera. Moves fast enough for a big lad!

Polar wizard adventure · 09-07-2019 01:07PM

Attempted assault, straight to the gardai with that one.

Definitely

CramCycle · 09-07-2019 01:12PM

tuxy wrote: »

He really went out of his way to show his face on camera. Moves fast enough for a big lad!

Not physically but more the pose in the photo, he looks alot like this guy:

Duckjob · 09-07-2019 01:52PM

tuxy wrote: »

He really went out of his way to show his face on camera. Moves fast enough for a big lad!

That part of the video is crying out to be slowed down and overlaid with a mock David Attenborough voiceover.

droidus · 09-07-2019 02:44PM

I think you could have taken him.

Professor Moriarty · 09-07-2019 02:48PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Not physically but more the pose in the photo, he looks alot like this guy:

True justice is being mocked on the internet.

rubadub · 09-07-2019 03:02PM

droidus wrote: »

I think you could have taken him.

that is what I find strange, videos with middle aged fat lads who are presumable unfit and weaker taking on younger lads who are presumably fitter than average. If he was to come across a younger fitter lad with his own level of aggression not only would he get a severe hiding but likely his nice Jag would have got a nice few dents & scratches too.

micar · 09-07-2019 03:04PM

rubadub wrote: »

that is what I find strange, videos with middle aged fat lads who are presumable unfit and weaker taking on younger lads who are presumably fitter than average. If he was to come across a younger fitter lad with his own level of aggression not only would he get a severe hiding but likely his nice Jag would have got a nice few dents & scratches too.

Might be unfit but he's a lot of weight behind him.

He's easily squash me.

RobertFoster · 09-07-2019 03:06PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

he actually quite clearly says "outta the way"

What a familiar attitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqCHdG1dLQ

smacl · 09-07-2019 03:39PM

droidus wrote: »

I think you could have taken him.

Never worth it, IMHO. You're best possible outcome is battering him and getting away with it. Other options are battering him and getting done for assault or getting battered by him. Given his narky wing man odds aren't great either. Video and complaint to the Gardaí are what I'd be doing.

brocbrocach · 09-07-2019 03:52PM

tuxy wrote: »

He really went out of his way to show his face on camera. Moves fast enough for a big lad!

Resemblance to Joe Duffy?

droidus · 09-07-2019 03:56PM

I think he ate Joe Duffy.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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