Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

p15574 wrote: »

An FYI if you are looking to source Dublin Bus footage after a near miss. I made a request this week but it came up blank. This was because in the interim, another request had been made for the same bus, and after sourcing footage, they wipe all the data stored for that bus! This is a massive flaw in their systems, potentially losing vital information regarding a serious incident due to a request for footage of an innocuous one.

I got a response to a data access request this week and think they said that footage is kept for minimum 4 days, except in cases where requests have been made in which case it's then kept for 2 years. I'll double check the letter tonight, I only skimmed it because it accompanied the USB stick with the footage I'd requested.

blackwhite wrote: »

Surely that can't be right.

If they've received a request for footage, then that could often be a precursor to legal action being taking.

Given they've no way of knowing if further sections of footage from that "tape" is required in relation to the same incident, they'd be on incredibly shaky ground to be destroying evidence after receiving indications of a potential legal action.

As I said I'll check the exact text tonight...there may also be a difference between a data access request from the Gardaí versus a member of the public.

Here's the response I received:

I refer to your email of Tuesday 2 July regarding accessing CCTV footage from a bus which may have caught footage of a traffic accident involving you and a car. Based on the details that you supplied, I was able identify Bus VT67. With this information, I emailed the relevant depot, Phibsboro, to request a copy of the CCTV so that I could proceed with your request under the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

Today Phibsboro Depot have contacted me to let me know that, unfortunately, the footage was not available for that bus at that time. This is because CCTV from VT67 had been downloaded for a separate request on a different day and once the footage is downloaded and the requested footage sourced, the memory is wiped. As such, Dublin Bus is not able to provide you with footage from that bus. I would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused. I’m trying to identify if any other buses were in the area at that time and, if there were, will see if footage of the event can be sourced.

As is your right, you are entitled to contact the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner to make a complaint if you are unhappy with how your subject access request has been handled. Their contact details are as follows:

p15574 wrote: »

Here's the response I received:

I'd definitely be making a DPC complaint on that.

Their stated policy is 4 days retention - which means footage should still be available until tomorrow.

blackwhite wrote: »

I'd definitely be making a DPC complaint on that.

Their stated policy is 4 days retention - which means footage should still be available until tomorrow.

I've emailed the DPC, will let ye know what they say.

blackwhite wrote: »

I'd definitely be making a DPC complaint on that.

Their stated policy is 4 days retention - which means footage should still be available until tomorrow.

Sounds more like an individual error rather than an intended policy to me.

xckjoo wrote: »

Seems mad that they'd delete it. Does that mean if there was a serious criminal incident involving the bus, but someone happened to request video for an unrelated incident before the Guards put in a request, the Guards would get nothing back?

Exactly.

CramCycle wrote: »

I presume they mean they take the entire volume of footage of the bus, it maybe deleted from the bus but it is somewhere for a now, longer period.

No, my take on it it that it's completely gone, wiped. The entire bus's footage deleted after they extract the 2 minutes or whatever for the first request. Otherwise they would have been able to fulfill my request using the archived footage.

micar wrote: »

Link to the pleasant experience this morning This is the first video I've uploaded


https://youtu.be/1xGMngQO3fA


Not as close as I thought .......might have said "responsibility" a few too many times.

Time stamp out by an hour.

Actually it is probably the drivers responsibility, mirrors are angulated for the driver.

Probably the worst morning for close passes / aggressive driving in a long time. Headed out towards rathoath and picked up the group spin. The motorist overtaking me at 85kph (according to the radar display) in a 50kph zone approaching rathoath was a sign.

We decided to head towards skerries. Few reckless overtakes in new the road between ratoath and Ashbourne. Par for the course at this stage and although some were crazy, they’re pretty normal at this stage.

Had some motor bikes pass us at ridiculous speed crossing the M2. We were guessing well north of 150 kph on narrow country roads. Couple of them had speed wobbles coming off the other side of the bridge. As we approached skerries we realized the bike racing was going on. Explains the idiots that passed us earlier.

We eventually arrived at the N1 and proceeded towards rush. Wasn’t long for the craic to start. One of the first cars that overtook us drew along side “single file” the passenger roared as they skimmed past our group. No oncoming traffic, so didn’t understand the need for a close pass. Unless you’re being a twat.

Couple of cars later, golf with 4 passengers, we had the passenger lean out and attempt to push our front rider off. Came within inches of him. There was some sort of liquid sprayed and we think one of the rear passengers spat at us. Few cars later and we have another single occupant motorist pass with his passenger window down, again something intelligible but with some some form of expletive thrown in, about taking up the road (there were three of us in single file). Pretty much every second car made a close pass. Really unpleasant. I’m guessing the racing attracted a few Neanderthals

Anyway we were heading back from asbourne to rathoath and the icing on the cake was the fool in the rav4 who gunned it on the back road to rathoath. Overtook into oncoming traffic and cut in sharp left in front of us.

They were out in force this morning.

Did you get any registrations?

John_Rambo wrote: »

My route is the Clontarf cycle path on the promenade/Alfie Byrne Road/East Wall Road/Church Road and onwards... (Dublin)

I had to drive in for a few days as I had gear to bring in and out work. Twice I witnessed a very very irate girl driving a blue 141 BMW. She's angry, switches lanes, heavy on the horn, lots of hand gestures, pulling on to the wrong side of the road leaning out in her seat to see what the "delay" is etc...

On Thursday I was cycling in. Felt a presence close behind me on the East Wall road, turned around to find a blue bonnet practically under my right thigh. Guess who? Traffic was light, lots of room, no reason for her to be bullying me. I raised my hand in wtf gesture and she gunned the car. I had no option but to mount the kerb. Called traffic watch, explained what happened & a sergeant from Store st. called, took the details and said he'd contact her and call me back.
I'll post again when he does.

So the sergeant called me last week. He sent a car out to her home address and she claimed I overtook her. I said I may have had earlier on when traffic was stopped and that there was no reason for her to bully me off the road. He went on to say she seemed to be a lovely girl! I said a lot of people are lovely till they get in to their cars and he agreed with me fully on that point.
There were a few silences where he obviously wanted me to fill in the gaps so he could find holes but I didn't blab. Stuck to my story with the help of my notes I took down after the incident and kept in my wallet.

We left it at that. He reckoned the sight of a squad car calling up to her regarding her behavior on the road was enough to check her and her driving. I agreed with him.


To the video posters, and the advice from people on this thread/forum... thanks.

sweet_trip wrote: »

Serious crash near Portlaw co Waterford Friday evening.

Car overtook 3 cyclists in single file, the following car wasn't paying attention and plowed into all 3 of them.

Up on the bonnet.
Serious injuries from what I heard. Fire/gards/ambulance everywhere.

Just word of mouth, don't know much more details.



Makes me wonder how many serious collisions happen every day that we don't hear about.

Amazing how this made no news bulletins locally (that I know of).

I tell almost every driver I know to never be car no3 overtaking cyclists, it puts everyone in danger.

Coming out of Kinvarra yesterday and saw a young girl, around 12, cycling around a bend. Idiot in car does a close pass on her while crossing a white line and the car going against him had to veer left towards the footpath to get out of his way.

He could have had the death of a young girl on his hands - why couldn't he wait an extra 10 seconds to go past her safely - ridiculous stuff.

I've done a lot of driving the last few weeks and I can tell you cyclists cause very minimal delays.

mr spuckler wrote: »

I was sat at the entrance to Dublin port this morning for about 3-4 mins while a freight train crossed the road leaving the port. Not one sign of impatience from the large number of motorists waiting on both sides of the road. 500m up the road crossing East Link bridge, a van driver insisted on sitting on my back wheel because I was delaying him by seconds. It really isn't about the delays, it's often about the irrational dislike of cyclists or assumption that we shouldn't be on the road.

+1

I've said before on this thread (I think) that what I've found most disturbing about the more recent incidents I've had with (mostly) taxi drivers was that the actual rights and wrongs of a situation didn't seem to matter. e.g being told to "get off the f**** motorway" when I was going around the roundabout outside the airport"

Seems to me these people simply have such a dangerously ignorant and aggressive mindset they'll use any excuse to roar abuse, threaten and intimidate someone on a bike. They're a national embarassment really.