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UFC 239 Jones Vs Santos

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    #272
    0ph0rce0
    Registered Users Posts: 3,917 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    walshb wrote:
    Cormier was beaten because Jones was simply superior both times. Next to nothing to do with clean or not clean..all to do with skill and talent.

    Superior because of steroids


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    #273
    Still Ill
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    walshb wrote: »
    Cormier was beaten because Jones was simply superior both times. Next to nothing to do with clean or not clean..all to do with skill and talent.

    That's simply not true. Why do you think people take performance enhancing drugs then?


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    #274
    JJayoo
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    Was Santos carrying that injury into the fight? I thought his physique looked very soft compared to his normal.fighting shape


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    #275
    walshb
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    0ph0rce0 wrote: »
    Superior because of steroids

    Nonsense. He is far more skilled and versatile..


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    #276
    Jimmy Bottlehead
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    JJayoo wrote: »
    Was Santos carrying that injury into the fight? I thought his physique looked very soft compared to his normal.fighting shape

    Same, was wondering where the jacked looking Santos had gone.


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    #277
    mangobob
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    I'm surprised at the number of people saying there is no one currently who could beat Nunes. Valentina is the obvious candidate. Their first fight was a clear victory for Nunes, but it was obvious that had it gone longer than 3 rounds she would have been in trouble. But to my mind Bullet definitely won their last fight. I have rewatched it several times since and I have seen nothing to change my mind. It was close, but it was clear. If I recall correctly, the large majority of media analysts watching also scored the fight for Bullet. While not exactly a robbery, nonetheless she was blessed to get that decision from the judges imho.

    I am actually a big fan of Nunes, I love to watch her fight is she a definite contender for wmma goat. But I think Bullet can feel pretty aggrieved that that belt is not on her shoulder.


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    #278
    Still Ill
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    walshb wrote: »
    Nonsense. He is far more skilled and versatile..

    Why dya reckon he bothers taking PEDs then? Hobby?


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    #279
    Dirkziggler
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    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Same, was wondering where the jacked looking Santos had gone.

    Don't know prefight but his kneepopped early doors.


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    #280
    Mellor
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    mangobob wrote: »
    I'm surprised at the number of people saying there is no one currently who could beat Nunes. Valentina is the obvious candidate. Their first fight was a clear victory for Nunes, but it was obvious that had it gone longer than 3 rounds she would have been in trouble. But to my mind Bullet definitely won their last fight. I have rewatched it several times since and I have seen nothing to change my mind. It was close, but it was clear. If I recall correctly, the large majority of media analysts watching also scored the fight for Bullet. While not exactly a robbery, nonetheless she was blessed to get that decision from the judges imho.

    I am actually a big fan of Nunes, I love to watch her fight is she a definite contender for wmma goat. But I think Bullet can feel pretty aggrieved that that belt is not on her shoulder.

    The media was pretty much split down the middle. But since then Valentina has moved to 125lbs. That's not in her favour in a rematch. Especially when Nunes took a trip to 145 in the interim.


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    #281
    fonecrusher1
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    walshb wrote: »
    Cormier was beaten because Jones was simply superior both times.

    Yeah that and all the steroid sandwiches. Both losses are scrapped in my mind because Jones cheated. Simple as that. If he does beat DC clean at some stage in the future then fair enough.


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    #282
    Mellor
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    fonecrusher1 wrote: »
    Yeah that and all the steroid sandwiches. Both losses are scrapped in my mind because Jones cheated. Simple as that. If he does beat DC clean at some stage in the future then fair enough.
    He only popped for one of them. Or are you writing off everything prior too?

    I'm not saying he was clean when he didn't pop. I'm just wondering where do we draw the line. Or does it even matter with cheaters?


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    #283
    Tilikum17
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    Just saw the askren ko. What a classless prick masvidel is.


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    #284
    fonecrusher1
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    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Just saw the askren ko. What a classless prick masvidel is.

    Yeah i like the fact that a boring takedown machine like Askren go KO'd in that way but the way Masvidal was going on after it was poor form. Not good.


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    #285
    Dirkziggler
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    fonecrusher1 wrote: »
    Yeah i like the fact that a boring takedown machine like Askren go KO'd in that way but the way Masvidal was going on after it was poor form. Not good.

    Really after calling him a Street urchant and the lowest in society in reference to coming from the street.

    Ben got what he deserved probably not enough.


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    #286
    thisonetaken
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    fonecrusher1 wrote: »
    Yeah that and all the steroid sandwiches. Both losses are scrapped in my mind because Jones cheated. Simple as that. If he does beat DC clean at some stage in the future then fair enough.

    The benefits of taking steroids have been shown to last for over 10 years after last taking them, so he will never be clean for the rest of his career


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    #287
    MrStuffins
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    I find it weird that people can act as classless as possible before a fight and people call it "Promotion" but if someone goads someone post-fight it's a no-no.

    It's still two lads fighting in a cage. You can't expect everyone to act like it's the old Japanese Samurai days


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    #288
    dulux99
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I find it weird that people can act as classless as possible before a fight and people call it "Promotion" but if someone goads someone post-fight it's a no-no.

    It's still two lads fighting in a cage. You can't expect everyone to act like it's the old Japanese Samurai days

    Agreed.

    Nothing worse than hearing two "enemy's" talk afterwards about how they were hamming it up to sell a fight.

    Live by the sword die by the sword. I very much enjoy Askren but he always had that coming to him after the way he's been talking about people.


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    #289
    mangobob
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    Mellor wrote: »
    The media was pretty much split down the middle.

    You could be right. Maybe it was just the particular outlets or analysts I was watching at the time that gave me that impression.
    But since then Valentina has moved to 125lbs. That's not in her favour in a rematch. Especially when Nunes took a trip to 145 in the interim.

    Fair point. But I would still be very interested in seeing them clash again at 135. I think if anyone is going to give her a run for her money there, its Bullet.


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    #290
    rob316
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    Amanda Nunes has now finished every 135lb/145lb champion in UFC/Bellator history in the first round.

    Ronda Rousey - TKO, RD 1 - 0:48
    Germaine de Randamie - TKO, RD 1 - 3:56
    Cris Cyborg - KO, RD 1 - 0:51
    Julia Budd - TKO, RD 1- 0:14
    Miesha Tate - SUB, RD 1 - 3:16
    Holly Holm - TKO, RD 1 - 4:10


    #thegoat

    And has beaten schevchenko twice (a fight I wouldn't mind seen again though)

    I absolutely loathe Rogan and his calling everyone the goat but she absolutely deserves that title.


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    #291
    eagle eye
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    dulux99 wrote:
    Live by the sword die by the sword. I very much enjoy Askren but he always had that coming to him after the way he's been talking about people.
    Nobody ever has that coming to them. You beat the man that's fine and it was a horrific ko but got my after a knocked out fighter is scummy behaviour. Going down in your knees slapping the floor beside him afterwards is every bit as bad and then mouthing off in the post fight interview just shows that you really are a POS.
    I'd love that see him get his ass handed to him in.his next fight.


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    #292
    mailburner
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    It was hendo bisping all over again there and much as I wanted to see bens ass being handed to him I hated the afters

    I like masvidal as a fighter but the more I listen to him the
    harder I find it


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    #293
    Brussels Sprout
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    rob316 wrote: »
    Amanda Nunes has now finished every 135lb/145lb champion in UFC/Bellator history in the first round.

    Ronda Rousey - TKO, RD 1 - 0:48
    Germaine de Randamie - TKO, RD 1 - 3:56
    Cris Cyborg - KO, RD 1 - 0:51
    Julia Budd - TKO, RD 1- 0:14
    Miesha Tate - SUB, RD 1 - 3:16
    Holly Holm - TKO, RD 1 - 4:10


    #thegoat

    And has beaten schevchenko twice (a fight I wouldn't mind seen again though)

    I absolutely loathe Rogan and his calling everyone the goat but she absolutely deserves that title.

    Clearly she needs to call out Nicco Montaño so that she can say that she's beaten all of the flyweight champions too!


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    #294
    Always Tired
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I find it weird that people can act as classless as possible before a fight and people call it "Promotion" but if someone goads someone post-fight it's a no-no.

    It's still two lads fighting in a cage. You can't expect everyone to act like it's the old Japanese Samurai days

    So you think mocking someone pre fight is the same as mocking them when you've not only won, but the guy is unconscious and possibly seriously injured?

    Once you've won you don't need to do that when the guy has just suffered the equivalent of a head on car crash


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    #295
    walshb
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    Always Tired wrote: »
    So you think mocking someone pre fight is the same as mocking them when you've not only won, but the guy is unconscious and possibly seriously injured?

    Once you've won you don't need to do that when the guy has just suffered the equivalent of a head on car crash

    That’s just it. Some MMA fans have no standards, and no common decency.

    Masvidal’s actions post KO should not go unpunished. Jesus, the sport is tough and rough enough as it is, and a bloody hard sell to many, without fighters behaving like out and out thugs..

    His actions do nothing but damage the credibility and sellability’ of the sport..


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    #296
    riffmongous
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    Always Tired wrote: »
    So you think mocking someone pre fight is the same as mocking them when you've not only won, but the guy is unconscious and possibly seriously injured?

    Once you've won you don't need to do that when the guy has just suffered the equivalent of a head on car crash
    I'm not personally a fan of people saying whatever they want beforehand, and id prefer to see a lot less of it, but no matter what you are going to get in there with them and give them the opportunity to get some revenge if it bothered them, but dancihg around and shouting at a person knocked out on the ground is just back alley thuggery


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    #297
    MrStuffins
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    Always Tired wrote: »
    So you think mocking someone pre fight is the same as mocking them when you've not only won, but the guy is unconscious and possibly seriously injured?

    Once you've won you don't need to do that when the guy has just suffered the equivalent of a head on car crash

    They're not the same. But people can't just assume it's all fake. Sometimes there's bad blood.

    They're all big boys and so are we.


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    #298
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    They're not the same. But people can't just assume it's all fake. Sometimes there's bad blood.

    They're all big boys and so are we.

    What Jorge said in the post fight press conference is true, talk **** before the be prepared to also take it after the fight. Especially when there is actually bad bold between them.


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    #299
    The Nal
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    Mocking an unconscious opponent is nonsense regardless of how much of a dick he is.


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    #300
    Ultimate Seduction
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    Didn't see the fight but seen a lot of people and journalist on Twitter had Santos winning 1, 2 and 5.

    Dana then says anyone judge who scored the fight for Santos is a moron and should never judge a fight again


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    #301
    Tazzimus
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    walshb wrote: »
    That’s just it. Some MMA fans have no standards, and no common decency.

    Masvidal’s actions post KO should not go unpunished. Jesus, the sport is tough and rough enough as it is, and a bloody hard sell to many, without fighters behaving like out and out thugs..

    His actions do nothing but damage the credibility and sellability’ of the sport..

    LOL no.
    You'd swear he was the first prize fighter to do this, it's not uncommon, and it's not just MMA.
    Askren was being his usual troll self, he had that coming.


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