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UFC 239 Jones Vs Santos

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Autecher wrote: »
    UFC 242 in Abu Dhabi will be on ppv aswell so unless they sold very little the other night that will still happen.


    Is that confirmed? ah balls. But as another poster said I don't mind paying the few quid for the convenience of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭magic_murph


    I don't give a ****e what Askren thinks of the post KO antics of Masvidal, sure is that supposed to stop people having an opinion. I've been watching boxing and MMA for a long time (iv'e gone to a few UFC's here and in UK) and my opinion is that the post KO behavior was just a tad uncalled for. I don't particularly like Askren, he deserved the KO and I like that its a warning for boring take down artists with big mouths.

    I'm sure in your head you think calling people pearl clutchers makes you sound like a double hard bastard but it doesn't I promise you. Its called having an opinion, that's what places like this are for. Acting like a bit of scumbag when your opponent lays unconscious? Like i said i've been a fan of UFC for a long time but I'm not mad on that after KO ****e. That'll come back to him in some way or another.

    I'm delighted Askren got KO'd. He deserved it.

    So your happy somebody got violently knocked out but you have an issue with somebody taunting another person. Wow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Is that confirmed? ah balls. But as another poster said I don't mind paying the few quid for the convenience of it.
    According to this guy it's confirmed anyway. He is a British MMA journalist. And as D.Q said it will be on European time so it probably was always gonna be ppv just for that reason alone.


    https://twitter.com/MMA_Jim/status/1147518060372250625


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    So your happy somebody got violently knocked out but you have an issue with somebody taunting another person. Wow.

    Violently knocked out? As opposed to getting gently knocked out. :confused: You do know the objective each fighter has right?

    So whats more sporting?

    1. Knocking out someone in a full contact MMA contest.
    2. Taunting / Mocking someone while they're unconscious?

    You know what honestly I don't really care anymore. What I don't like is people getting their knickers in a twist because other people are daring to have the opinion that the after KO ****e wasn't called for? The fcuk is that about? Its like you have to think it was great or else you'll be labelled a softy, choose another sport, grow up, ah you've no clue about MMA. Insert more toughman talk :rolleyes:

    Anyway i'm not going to post again in this thread. Last thing i'll say is having varying opinions is a good thing. Be a vary boring world otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Violently knocked out? As opposed to getting gently knocked out. :confused: You do know the objective each fighter has right?

    So whats more sporting?

    1. Knocking out someone in a full contact MMA contest.
    2. Taunting / Mocking someone while they're unconscious?

    You know what honestly I don't really care anymore. What I don't like is people getting their knickers in a twist because other people are daring to have the opinion that the after KO ****e wasn't called for? The fcuk is that about? Its like you have to think it was great or else you'll be labelled a softy, choose another sport, grow up, ah you've no clue about MMA. Insert more toughman talk :rolleyes:

    Anyway i'm not going to post again in this thread. Last thing i'll say is having varying opinions is a good thing. Be a vary boring world otherwise.

    You really don't see that the Askren KO was a particularly violent one? Alright then mate.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Gamb!t




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Ben going on Ariel’s show speaks volumes about him. Not many would have in his position.

    Hopefully he’s back in there in November/December.
    Fully expect him to recover from this loss and climb back to a title shot.


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    mdwexford wrote: »
    Ben going on Ariel’s show speaks volumes about him. Not many would have in his position.

    Hopefully he’s back in there in November/December.
    Fully expect him to recover from this loss and climb back to a title shot.

    I'm a massive Askren fan and I think on his night he can bring anyone to the ground and beat them if things go his way on the night

    but he is way too one dimensional imo to get a long enough winning steak in the UFC to get a title shot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    I'm a massive Askren fan and I think on his night he can bring anyone to the ground and beat them if things go his way on the night

    but he is way too one dimensional imo to get a long enough winning steak in the UFC to get a title shot.

    Lot of interest still behind him though. Maybe even more eyes on him now.

    2 decent wins could see him fight for the belt.

    Masvidal beat Usman.
    Rematch for the title, boom ppv sales!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭leonffrench


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,229 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Ouch

    ...according to his manager speaking to Brazilian media.
    Pretty large chance he's exaggerating the extent imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    The salaries from the event.



    Jon Jones: $500,000 — $500,000 flat fee paid

    Thiago Santos: $350,000 — $350,000 flat fee paid

    Amanda Nunes: $550,000 — $300,000 to show, $200,000 to win plus $50,000 for ‘Performance of the Night’.

    Holly Holm: $300,000 — $300,000 flat fee paid.

    Jorge Masvidal: $250,000 — $100,000 to show, $100,000 to win plus $50,000 for ‘Performance of the Night’

    Ben Askren: $210,000

    Jan Blachowicz: $142,000 — $46,000 to show, $46,000 to win plus $50,000 for ‘Performance of the Night’

    Luke Rockhold: $200,000

    Michael Chiesa: $104,000 — $52,000 to show, $52,000 to win

    Diego Sanchez: $103,000

    Arnold Allen: $64,000 — $32,000 to show, $32,000 to win

    Gilbert Melendez: $200,000

    Marlon Vera: $96,000 — $48,000 to show, $48,000 to win

    Nohelin Hernandez: $12,000

    Claudia Gadelha: $102,000 — $52,000 to show, $52,000 to win

    Randa Markos: $30,000

    Song Yadong: $140,000 — $45,000 to show, $45,000 to win plus $50,000 for ‘Performance of the Night’

    Alejandro Perez: $42,000

    Edmen Shahbazyan: $32,000 — $16,000 to show, $16,000 to win

    Jack Marshman: $30,000

    Chance Rencountre: $28,000 — $14,000 to show, $14,000 to win

    Ismail Naurdiev: $14,000

    Julia Avila: $20,000 — $10,000 to show, $10,000 to win

    Pannie Kianzad: $12,000


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Arnold Allen needs to get himself a new manager.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,523 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    That explains why Gilbert Melendez came back to see out his contract.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Askren had that KO coming (from a purely fight POV) but I do think that Masvidal really made himself out to be a total dick. Bad loss for Ben obviously but doesn't really tell us anything much about either fighter, just one of those things, bit like McGregor knocking out Aldo.

    Jones V Santos was a good fight but Santos was not 'in it' after he messed up his knee, amazed he managed to go the distance and stay dangerous, it was so blantantly obvious that he was compromised.

    Michael Chiesa's dominatiuon of Diaego Sanchez was something else. He made him look seriously bad.

    Holly Holm....meh.

    Will we see Luke Rockhold again? Facing another huge layoff. Not sure about the logic of upping weight. Jan is obviously a decent fighter but there are far bigger hitters in that division.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    The fighters really do not get much do they

    Considering these guys are on 8-12 week camps with trainers , cut specialists and nutritionists etc on pay roll there can not be much/any left afterwards for some of these lads.

    that looks like about 3.5m paid out of a gate of 6M alone before PPV money is touched.

    Will they get a piece of the PPV as well as this is looking a bit of a mugs game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Its getting better but its still really not enough and the PPV points wont exactly be generous.
    Gotta remember these guys only fight 2 or 3 times a year and the reebok gear deal is a real stinker on top of it. Askren got 3k from Reebok as he's a new comer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,229 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Askren had that KO coming (from a purely fight POV) but I do think that Masvidal really made himself out to be a total dick. Bad loss for Ben obviously but doesn't really tell us anything much about either fighter, just one of those things, bit like McGregor knocking out Aldo.
    Funny you say that. I think it gives a good insight to both. As did McGregor v Aldo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Mellor wrote: »
    Funny you say that. I think it gives a good insight to both. As did McGregor v Aldo.
    Curious as to what insight you got?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    xckjoo wrote: »
    Curious as to what insight you got?
    Probably that Askren lunges for a takedown immediately and is very open to being kneed in the face.
    He needs to rethink his approach to an opponent sprinting at him.

    A lot of wrestlers will throw a few sloppy strikes to distract from the takedown attempts they're about to try.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Ben was class on Ariel's show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,702 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Probably that Askren lunges for a takedown immediately and is very open to being kneed in the face.
    He needs to rethink his approach to an opponent sprinting at him.

    A lot of wrestlers will throw a few sloppy strikes to distract from the takedown attempts they're about to try.

    Ben Spoke about this and said he made a technical error he won't stop doing what he done in the previous 19 fights,

    He got caught it happens just move on ,

    Comparing it to Conor v Aldo is a bit off to me a flying knee ko is far less likely to happened again than Conor koing someone with a punch ,


    Put it this way I think if Jorge and Ben fight another 10 times maybe 1 max would end with a flying knee ,
    If Conor and Aldo fight 10 times at least 5 would end with Conor koing Aldo with a punch ,


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Probably that Askren lunges for a takedown immediately and is very open to being kneed in the face.
    He needs to rethink his approach to an opponent sprinting at him.

    A lot of wrestlers will throw a few sloppy strikes to distract from the takedown attempts they're about to try.
    Not being funny but that's more of a description of what happened than any big insight into the fighters. Askren has always lunged (badly) for takedowns, but he doesn't normally do it face first into a flying knee. I don't think it's usually his first move in a fight but would have to look back to be sure. Masvidal said himself post-fight that he was throwing out the knee as much as a warning as anything else. His plan wasn't specifically to knock Ben out in the first couple of seconds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,229 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    xckjoo wrote: »
    Curious as to what insight you got?
    That Masvidal is smarter than he makes out.
    The entire start was choreographed. His hands behind his back, side stepping. It was fake passiveness to get Ben to press forward. Then he rushes him.
    Ben, well he exposed his predictability, and the fact he probably still swings more to wrestler than MMA fighter . We all know he is only after he TD, no shock there. But when put under pressure he instinct was to duck. Charge DC and you'd probably meet an overhand right.

    If Jorge just ran at the bell, I don't think Ben responds by shooting on him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Mellor wrote: »
    That Masvidal is smarter than he makes out.
    The entire start was choreographed. His hands behind his back, side stepping. It was fake passiveness to get Ben to press forward. Then he rushes him.
    Ben, well he exposed his predictability, and the fact he probably still swings more to wrestler than MMA fighter . We all know he is only after he TD, no shock there. But when put under pressure he instinct was to duck. Charge DC and you'd probably meet an overhand right.

    If Jorge just ran at the bell, I don't think Ben responds by shooting on him.
    Cheers. Didn't notice Masvidal doing any kind of faking at the start. Will have to load up the gif and rewatch the match :D
    I'm very surprised that someone at this level would duck for a takedown when someone is running at them. I'm not sure of an outcome where it would have worked in Askrens favour unless he thought Masvidal was going to stop when he was within striking distance. Always easy to judge when you're not the one in the heat of battle though


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭pastorbarrett


    Ben's ate some bombs, and on a relatively quick turnaround. Seems it would be prudent to sit out until at least next year. I saw someone say that Masvidal's technique for the downed punches was like somebody slamming a door. And those Robbie shots...


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,229 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    xckjoo wrote: »
    His plan wasn't specifically to knock Ben out in the first couple of seconds.
    Of course not. Nobody could ever plan that with certainty. Same way Conor didn't plan to knock Aldo out in the opening seconds.

    But still planned for predictability. And rehearsed the exchange in advance.

    https://streamable.com/4rhh7


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Ben Spoke about this and said he made a technical error he won't stop doing what he done in the previous 19 fights,

    He got caught it happens just move on ,

    Comparing it to Conor v Aldo is a bit off to me a flying knee ko is far less likely to happened again than Conor koing someone with a punch ,


    Put it this way I think if Jorge and Ben fight another 10 times maybe 1 max would end with a flying knee ,
    If Conor and Aldo fight 10 times at least 5 would end with Conor koing Aldo with a punch ,

    I guarantee you he will adjust, now that he's felt that knockout and how it came about.
    xckjoo wrote: »
    Not being funny but that's more of a description of what happened than any big insight into the fighters. Askren has always lunged (badly) for takedowns, but he doesn't normally do it face first into a flying knee. I don't think it's usually his first move in a fight but would have to look back to be sure. Masvidal said himself post-fight that he was throwing out the knee as much as a warning as anything else. His plan wasn't specifically to knock Ben out in the first couple of seconds.

    It's a bit of both. Bens first instinct when someone comes running at him is to duck in for a takedown, not wise from a distance and while he's sprinting at you.
    To be honest, it was needed for him to realise, maybe I shouldn't just go straight for a takedown.
    ****, he tried to take Robbie down more or less straight away and got a tombstone piledriver for his efforts.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    Mellor wrote: »
    Of course not. Nobody could ever plan that with certainty. Same way Conor didn't plan to knock Aldo out in the opening seconds.

    But still planned for predictability. And rehearsed the exchange in advance.

    https://streamable.com/4rhh7


    Looking at it again it looks like Askrens head was pretty much down before Masvidal started his run. My memory was more of him running across the ring but it's probably only a step or two. Great timing. I can see now how even if it hadn't landed like it did, it would still have worked to make Ben reluctant to just shoot blindly.


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