Air BnB [and other platforms] to be effectively outlawed in high demand areas

utmbuilder · 05-07-2019 4:33am

The poor Airbnb hosts

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 5:15pm

the_syco wrote: »

It's because of "powers" that LL's are leaving the market in their droves.

The market will still be there anyway and the cost of buying to live will become more affordable as a result.

the_syco wrote: »

Such as not letting their houses and ignoring any vacant property tax?

Leaving houses vacant with no income is not something I would do.
Also the legal ramifications of ignoring property taxes are not worth it.

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:07pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Leaving houses vacant with no income is not something I would do.
Also the legal ramifications are not worth it.

What are the legal ramifications?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:12pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Ignoring vacant property tax, not worth it IMO

What vacant property tax?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:13pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Ignoring property taxes, not worth the risk

Yes, but what are the legal ramifications?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:14pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

Yes, but what are the legal ramifications?

Ask a judge

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:17pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Ask a judge

You said there are legal ramifications, whther you are a judge or not. What are you talking about?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:18pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

You said there are legal ramifications, whther you are a judge or not. What are you talking about?

Tax evasion is illegal. Do you not know that?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:19pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Tax evasion is illegal. Do you not know that?

How does having a vacant property amount to tax evasion? If not, what is the relevance?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:24pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

How does having a vacant property amount to tax evasion? If not, what is the relevance?

Looks like you need things spelled out for you so here goes...
This is the comment I was replying to. I wasn't referring to a vacant property.

the_syco wrote: »

Such as not letting their houses and ignoring any vacant property tax?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:28pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Looks like you need things spelled out for you so here goes...
This is the comment I was replying to. I wasn't referring to a vacant property.

So there is no relavance to my question about the legal ramifications of leaviung a property vacant.

What are those legal ramifications?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:31pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

So there is no relavance to my question about the legal ramifications of leaviung a property vacant.

What are those legal ramifications?

I'm not repeating myself again.
I'm not referring to leaving properties vacant.
You're asking about something I never referred to.

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 9:00pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

I'm not repeating myself again.
I'm not referring to leaving properties vacant.
You're asking about something I never referred to.

You referred to legal ramifications. That is what i am asking about. Were you making it up?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 9:05pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

You referred to legal ramifications. That is what i am asking about. Were you making it up?

I said there were legal ramifications to tax evasion
Nothing about leaving your house vacant
Is this news to you? :rolleyes:

L1011 · 05-07-2019 9:14pm

Take it to PM

the_syco · 06-07-2019 1:48am

Jamsiek wrote: »

This is the comment I was replying to. I wasn't referring to a vacant property.

It seems 4ensic15 is correct; there is no vacant property tax yet.

Jamsiek wrote: »

The market will still be there anyway and the cost of buying to live will become more affordable as a result.

Actually, no. The powers that be were content to put a cap on how tall apartment buildings could have been built in the past, and too late have gotten rid of the rule. Had they gotten rid of the rule whilst buildings were being built in Dublin city centre, we may not have been in the crisis that we are in now.

hong9651 · 07-07-2019 4:47pm

Under the new regulations:
• ‘Short-term letting’ is defined as the letting of a house or apartment, or part of a house or apartment, for any period not exceeding 14 days.
• If you share a spare room or rooms in your own home (your ‘Principal Primary Residence’ or ‘PPR’), you can do so all year round but you must notify your local authority annually.
• If you share your entire PPR while you are away, you can do so for up to 90 days of the year, but you must notify your local authority.
• If you share your entire PPR for more than 90 days of the year, you must apply for a change of use planning permission from your local authority.
• If you own a property which is not your PPR, and you use it for short-term letting, you must apply for a change of use planning permission from your local authority.

Does the new law mean that the landlord is allowed to let the apartment to tenants who will stay 14+ days at a time?

machalla · 07-07-2019 5:03pm

hong9651 wrote: »

Under the new regulations

Does the new law mean that the landlord is allowed to let the apartment to tenants who will stay 14+ days at a time?

Yes, as does not qualify as short term letting under the definition if it's greater than 14 days.

beauf · 08-07-2019 5:13pm

<SNIP>

dontparkhere · 09-07-2019 11:17pm

I’m new to Airbnb this year.
Majority of guests have been American and all bar 1 were from abroad.
Renting a property to someone located here is just redistributing money (most likely from asset poor to asset rich) whereas with hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

CoffeeBean2 · 10-07-2019 12:12am

I'm going to grab some popcorn, this should be good.

TSQ · 10-07-2019 12:26am

CoffeeBean2 wrote: »

I'm going to grab some popcorn, this should be good.

Hahahaha

Bluefoam · 10-07-2019 9:08am

dontparkhere wrote: »

hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

Ah, I see... Good point well made.

Bluefoam · 10-07-2019 9:12am

dontparkhere wrote: »

I’m new to Airbnb this year.
Majority of guests have been American and all bar 1 were from abroad.
Renting a property to someone located here is just redistributing money (most likely from asset poor to asset rich) whereas with hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

THe one thing the tourism industry needs is high quality thinkers like yourself running the main point of contact between the country & it's guests... and it seems by your comment that you are personally attracting these new visitors. Well done to you.

I look forward to recieving my share of the gains you have generated.

10-07-2019 9:20am

dontparkhere wrote: »

I’m new to Airbnb this year.
Majority of guests have been American and all bar 1 were from abroad.
Renting a property to someone located here is just redistributing money (most likely from asset poor to asset rich) whereas with hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

If you’re letting a whole property, I assume that you’ve gotten planning permission and are paying tax on your profits as well as business rates. That way we all benefit from your entrepreneurial spirit.

dontparkhere · 10-07-2019 6:28pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

THe one thing the tourism industry needs is high quality thinkers like yourself running the main point of contact between the country & it's guests... and it seems by your comment that you are personally attracting these new visitors. Well done to you.

I look forward to recieving my share of the gains you have generated.

Should have read this thread first, a touchy subject I see.

You must be mistaken, I host Airbnb guests I’m not the entrepreneur who designed the service.

What do you mean tax? Tourism works in the cash economy?

I operate within the law, pay my taxes and the rest most likely stays in the local economy. I am not a large chain of hotels that pays minimum wage and sucks whatever profits they can out of the country.

While I agree with regulation of airbnb, Ireland is expensive and needs to be a competitive place for tourists and Airbnb (and others) offers this.

Private landlords are becoming fewer with the drive for “professionalism” off the industry.
Ultimately there will be fewer indivials and larger companies who pay less tax and take profits out of the country, resulting in reduced competition

I am beginning to ramble, I am not a landlord it is my own home

L1011 · 10-07-2019 6:49pm

You are liable for tax on the AirBnB earnings and Revenue will already know how much you have taken in

The "cash economy" is more correctly known as tax evasion

10-07-2019 7:05pm

L1011 wrote: »

You are liable for tax on the AirBnB earnings and Revenue will already know how much you have taken in

The "cash economy" is more correctly known as tax evasion

I think that one went over your head, the poster was being sarcastic, anyone who Hosts on Airbnb is aware details of income earned goes to Revenue.

L1011 · 10-07-2019 7:08pm

Dav010 wrote: »

I think that one went over your head, the poster was being sarcastic, anyone who Hosts on Airbnb is aware details of income earned goes to Revenue.

I'll let the poster state if they were being sarcastic rather than assuming.

10-07-2019 7:12pm

L1011 wrote: »

I'll let the poster state if they were being sarcastic rather than assuming.

The first line of the next paragraph was the giveaway. Just saying.

L1011 · 10-07-2019 7:14pm

Dav010 wrote: »

The first line of the next paragraph was the giveaway. Just saying.

Or of lack of knowledge.

This is pointless and off topic - drop it now.

dontparkhere · 10-07-2019 9:34pm

L1011 wrote: »

You are liable for tax on the AirBnB earnings and Revenue will already know how much you have taken in

The "cash economy" is more correctly known as tax evasion

Tongue in cheek comment, just being a bit smart

Fan of Netflix · 10-07-2019 10:36pm

If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

arctictree · 10-07-2019 10:40pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you’re letting a whole property, I assume that you’ve gotten planning permission and are paying tax on your profits as well as business rates. That way we all benefit from your entrepreneurial spirit.

You have to pay business rates if you let out a property? First I heard of that.

10-07-2019 10:58pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

Thankfully it is not up to you, that certainly would be an interesting piece of legislation, reminiscent of communism in Stalinist Russia.

CoffeeBean2 · 11-07-2019 12:20am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

Spot on, we should take from those that have, and give to those that haven't.

Those that formally had should be publicly punished. And those that formally didn't have, but now have due to the redistribution, should also be publicly punished. Punishment all around I say, who's with me?

And for that one poster who can't spot sarcasm ^^^

Fan of Netflix · 11-07-2019 12:33am

CoffeeBean2 wrote: »

Spot on, we should take from those that have, and give to those that haven't.

Those that formally had should be publicly punished. And those that formally didn't have, but now have due to the redistribution, should also be publicly punished. Punishment all around I say, who's with me?

And for that one poster who can't spot sarcasm ^^^

Your type prefer to take from the poor and give to the rich. It's why we have record homelessness and social decay while the millionaire/billionaire landlords take more and more.
I could educate you on the global banking system, the failures of Fine Gael and US multinationals stealing the wealth of our people but it is off topic and I will obey moderator instructions.

Samuel T. Cogley · 11-07-2019 8:04am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

That's exactly what they're doing with getting a HAP tenant in and finding any excuse not to pay HAP. :pac:

Samuel T. Cogley · 11-07-2019 8:07am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Your type prefer to take from the poor and give to the rich. It's why we have record homelessness and social decay while the millionaire/billionaire landlords take more and more.
I could educate you on the global banking system, the failures of Fine Gael and US multinationals stealing the wealth of our people but it is off topic and I will obey moderator instructions.

You're aware the vast majority of LL's own one property for BTL? Hardly millionaires and billionaires.

11-07-2019 11:41am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Your type prefer to take from the poor and give to the rich. It's why we have record homelessness and social decay while the millionaire/billionaire landlords take more and more.
I could educate you on the global banking system, the failures of Fine Gael and US multinationals stealing the wealth of our people but it is off topic and I will obey moderator instructions.

Ha ha, that’s a lot of nonsense for one paragraph.

Us multinationals stealing the wealth of our people being one of the highlights, considering they are an absolutely crucial part of our economy, provide massive employment and provide a large number of our highly skilled/highly paid jobs.

I can tell you one thing for sure, there is no one working in multinationals that are homeless.

L1011 · 11-07-2019 11:52am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

Or the constitutional ability.

Fan of Netflix · 11-07-2019 11:52am

Carlos Slow Traitor wrote: »

Ha ha, that’s a lot of nonsense for one paragraph.

Us multiantions stealing the wealth of our people being one of the highlights, considering they are an absolutely crucial part of our economy, provide massive employment and provide a large number of our highly skilled/highly paid jobs.

I can tell you one thing for sure, there is no one working in multinationals that are homeless.

You seem to have issues understanding US multinational tax avoidance such as the 14bn from Apple. Indeed you cannot even spell multinational so it's unlikely to be worth my time discussing these issues further. As for your last line, well it speaks for itself.

Graham · 11-07-2019 12:04pm

Mod Note

Fan of Netflix, quit the snarky/trolling posts please.

GGTrek · 11-07-2019 12:29pm

CoffeeBean2 wrote: »

Spot on, we should take from those that have, and give to those that haven't.

Those that formally had should be publicly punished. And those that formally didn't have, but now have due to the redistribution, should also be publicly punished. Punishment all around I say, who's with me?

And for that one poster who can't spot sarcasm ^^^

It is unfortunate that one poster is a moderator of this forum.

L1011 · 11-07-2019 12:53pm

GGTrek wrote: »

It is unfortunate that one poster is a moderator of this forum.

If you have a problem with moderation, you take it to Feedback. Further discussion of this - by anyone - will be actioned.

This is a serious forum, it has to be taken that posts are serious and not randomly switching to "light hearted" or "sarcasm" part way through

11-07-2019 1:13pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

You seem to have issues understanding US multinational tax avoidance such as the 14bn from Apple. Indeed you cannot even spell multinational so it's unlikely to be worth my time discussing these issues further. As for your last line, well it speaks for itself.

That money will rightly be given back to Apple after the case is won. It’s more incentives we should be giving multinationals to open here or expand here not taking them away.

You have very very little concept of things I’m afraid though going by your outlandish far left rambling.

As for my last line, yes it does speak for itself. People in good jobs working for good employers are able to house themselves while also paying large amounts of tax to house those who don’t work.

the_syco · 12-07-2019 8:19pm

dontparkhere wrote: »

I am beginning to ramble, I am not a landlord it is my own home

Do you live in said house?

Edgware · 13-07-2019 7:29pm

Mod Note.
Do not discuss ways around the law please.
If you’d like to PM me a legal way to carry out what you do then please feel free to do so.

kceire

Fan of Netflix · 13-07-2019 9:06pm

Edgware wrote: »

Snip

Bragging about criminality on here isn't the best idea. I'll have to start reporting to the council.

dontparkhere · 14-07-2019 12:08am

the_syco wrote: »

Do you live in said house?

Yes

Air BnB [and other platforms] to be effectively outlawed in high demand areas

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