Air BnB [and other platforms] to be effectively outlawed in high demand areas

Fan of Netflix · 03-07-2019 5:08pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Not a chance.

Let them squirm in court and take the chance. They are criminals breaking the law, they should be treated as such. Don't like it then time to sell up and stop being a rogue landlord.

3DataModem · 03-07-2019 5:09pm

machalla wrote: »

That seems to be quite a variation in treatment of delinquent tenants and delinquent property owners based on that.

If we're not careful we'll end of in a situation where neither the government nor private sector want to build enough rentable properties to keep up with demand.

Oh, wait.

Samuel T. Cogley · 03-07-2019 5:11pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Let them squirm in court and take the chance. They are criminals breaking the law, they should be treated as such. Don't like it then time to sell up and stop being a rogue landlord.

Hows that going for the rental market?

handlemaster · 03-07-2019 5:12pm

machalla wrote: »

6 months in prison and potentially €5,000 in fines for running a short term let property without planning permission.

0 months in prison and €0 cost for non payment of rent over a sustained period.

That seems to be quite a variation in treatment of delinquent tenants and delinquent property owners based on that.

Agreed. The landlord that runs her business well is against the wall when tenants dont want to pay. But rent out a property on short term lease and your in court faster than an anti landlord Irish indepedant printing press.

LuckyLloyd · 03-07-2019 5:14pm

Constantly short term letting your property means you’re no longer a landlord. You’re an unlicensed hotelier.

Fan of Netflix · 03-07-2019 5:15pm

machalla wrote: »

6 months in prison and potentially €5,000 in fines for running a short term let property without planning permission.

0 months in prison and €0 cost for non payment of rent over a sustained period.

That seems to be quite a variation in treatment of delinquent tenants and delinquent property owners based on that.

Rogue landlords have harmed this country and it's people enough. They had a good run. Even Fine Gael the landlord party have had enough of their activities. The gig is up time to enjoy their ill gotten gains and quit while their ahead. Like drug dealers, the greed of the Irish landlord will be their undoing.

Dav010 · 03-07-2019 5:27pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Rogue landlords have harmed this country and it's people enough. They had a good run. Even Fine Gael the landlord party have had enough of their activities. The gig is up time to enjoy their ill gotten gains and quit while their ahead. Like drug dealers, the greed of the Irish landlord will be their undoing.

At the risk of feeding you, if LLs quit, in your opinion who will provide the properties to rent? Most owners who register with Airbnb do so for higher profits, but also significantly, because they no longer want to rent to tenants.

Samuel T. Cogley · 03-07-2019 5:29pm

Dav010 wrote: »

At the risk of feeding you, if LLs quit, in your opinion who will provide the properties to rent?

Professional LL's. You'll have all the choice you want. Share a kitchen with 42 people for €1500 a month or rent an apartment for €500 or more a week.

Fan of Netflix · 03-07-2019 5:29pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Hows that going for the rental market?

Eoghan Murphy has made the decision, that the AirBnB trickery is now illegal and coming to an end. I'm sure the gombeen landlords will now be looking into their next crooked scheme and how they can bend the rules.

This is why they are seen with contempt by ordinary people and the young people of Ireland. Profiting off the misery of the youth of Ireland is not something I would engage myself. It was enough that their generation had to bankrupt the country and saddle the youth with a mountain of debt. Now they must take it all until theres nothing left. Shame on them.

Samuel T. Cogley · 03-07-2019 5:31pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy has made the decision, that the AirBnB trickery is now illegal and coming to an end. I'm sure the gombeen landlords will now be looking into their next crooked scheme and how they can bend the rules.

This is why they are seen with contempt by ordinary people and the young people of Ireland. Profiting off the misery of the youth of Ireland is not something I would engage myself. It was enough that their generation had to bankrupt the country and saddle the youth with a mountain of debt. Now they must take it all until theres nothing left. Shame on them.

Why do you think so many are wanting to bend the rules given rents have never been higher?

Jamsiek · 03-07-2019 6:14pm

Carlos Slow Traitor wrote: »

Why should they care? They are operating a business to make money not a charity to house people.

Nonsense like “vile greed”’is just that, nonsense. They are running a business to better their lot same as any business owner does but for some unknown reason they are treated totally different by some people like yourself.

This is why I support limiting and in some cases banning Airbnb particularly where housing shortages are at their worst.
We can't rely on people to act on their own initiative so sometimes it's up to the powers that be to look after the interests of the public.

marieholmfan · 03-07-2019 6:42pm

machalla wrote: »

6 months in prison and potentially €5,000 in fines for running a short term let property without planning permission.

0 months in prison and €0 cost for non payment of rent over a sustained period.

That seems to be quite a variation in treatment of delinquent tenants and delinquent property owners based on that.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

handlemaster · 03-07-2019 8:08pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

machalla wrote: »

6 months in prison and potentially €5,000 in fines for running a short term let property without planning permission.

0 months in prison and €0 cost for non payment of rent over a sustained period.

That seems to be quite a variation in treatment of delinquent tenants and delinquent property owners based on that.

Rogue landlords have harmed this country and it's people enough. They had a good run. Even Fine Gael the landlord party have had enough of their activities. The gig is up time to enjoy their ill gotten gains and quit while their ahead. Like drug dealers, the greed of the Irish landlord will be their undoing.

Doesnt make much sence. So the counter arguement is tenants are all social deliquents who damage properry and dont pay rent.

Eric Cartman · 03-07-2019 8:11pm

if anyone for one second thinks this will end in a prison sentence for anyone caught less than 3 times doing this then youre living in a fantasy world. Even then id go as far as to say that perhaps 1 person in my lifetime will go to prison for this and that will be over a continued refusal to pay the fine.

And that person will probably rent out their PPR on airbnb for the 6 months theyre inside.

TSQ · 03-07-2019 8:50pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Eoghan Murphy has made the decision, that the AirBnB trickery is now illegal and coming to an end. I'm sure the gombeen landlords will now be looking into their next crooked scheme and how they can bend the rules.

This is why they are seen with contempt by ordinary people and the young people of Ireland. Profiting off the misery of the youth of Ireland is not something I would engage myself. It was enough that their generation had to bankrupt the country and saddle the youth with a mountain of debt. Now they must take it all until theres nothing left. Shame on them.

You are hilarious. Obviously enjoy getting a rise out of folks. The rest of you, just chill, cant you see he is just taking the proverbial.

Gael23 · 03-07-2019 10:01pm

I’m sure unscrupulous landlords won’t be long at finding a way aro7nd the law

the_syco · 04-07-2019 9:44am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Thankfully the state has now made these activities illegal. I do hope dearly these rogue landlords see the inside of Mountjoy. Their vile greed is a stain on this great country.

Eh, no. The government has quite happily let the LL's with the ball for all social tenants but with very little protection.

Jamsiek wrote: »

This is why I support limiting and in some cases banning Airbnb particularly where housing shortages are at their worst.
We can't rely on people to act on their own initiative so sometimes it's up to the powers that be to look after the interests of the public.

It's because of "powers" that LL's are leaving the market in their droves.

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m sure unscrupulous landlords won’t be long at finding a way aro7nd the law

Such as not letting their houses and ignoring any vacant property tax?

GGTrek · 04-07-2019 1:43pm

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Graham · 04-07-2019 2:17pm

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the_syco · 04-07-2019 4:35pm

TSQ wrote: »

Well, at least most of the ex-Airbnb units going back into short term rental will be of a high quality of decor and fit-out.

If they've been "off" the market for X amount of years, I wonder will this then mean that they can start letting them out at whatever the funk price they want the new market price?

utmbuilder · 05-07-2019 4:33am

The poor Airbnb hosts

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 5:15pm

the_syco wrote: »

It's because of "powers" that LL's are leaving the market in their droves.

The market will still be there anyway and the cost of buying to live will become more affordable as a result.

the_syco wrote: »

Such as not letting their houses and ignoring any vacant property tax?

Leaving houses vacant with no income is not something I would do.
Also the legal ramifications of ignoring property taxes are not worth it.

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:07pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Leaving houses vacant with no income is not something I would do.
Also the legal ramifications are not worth it.

What are the legal ramifications?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:12pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Ignoring vacant property tax, not worth it IMO

What vacant property tax?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:13pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Ignoring property taxes, not worth the risk

Yes, but what are the legal ramifications?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:14pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

Yes, but what are the legal ramifications?

Ask a judge

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:17pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Ask a judge

You said there are legal ramifications, whther you are a judge or not. What are you talking about?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:18pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

You said there are legal ramifications, whther you are a judge or not. What are you talking about?

Tax evasion is illegal. Do you not know that?

4ensic15 · 05-07-2019 8:19pm

Jamsiek wrote: »

Tax evasion is illegal. Do you not know that?

How does having a vacant property amount to tax evasion? If not, what is the relevance?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2019 8:24pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

How does having a vacant property amount to tax evasion? If not, what is the relevance?

Looks like you need things spelled out for you so here goes...
This is the comment I was replying to. I wasn't referring to a vacant property.

the_syco wrote: »

Such as not letting their houses and ignoring any vacant property tax?

Air BnB [and other platforms] to be effectively outlawed in high demand areas

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