Pro14 final thread

Burkie1203 · 27-05-2019 02:08PM

Classic EOS

https://twitter.com/thetimesIE/status/1132968138151223296?s=19

Shefwedfan · 27-05-2019 02:11PM

"Thou shall never give Leinster praise" EOS :-)

scottyboy · 27-05-2019 04:08PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Ignore the rest of what I said so :rolleyes:

In the grand scheme of things I couldn’t give a ****e about the bar. I was there to watch a match. But I think there’s a line between being over zealous and being ridiculous, and asking people who are clearly over 25 for ID is ridiculous. There was lots of communication before the game about bag size for entering the stadium, why could they not mention that people needed to bring ID?

Anyway...

Any other travelling fans I spoke to were of the same opinion regarding the day. We’re clearly all wrong.

I too attended the game; I am a Scottish Leinster supporter living in Dublin, not from Glasgow but have lived in Glasgow and I can only agree with the above/general comments.

I was embarrassed and disappointed about the event from a Scottish tourism perspective. In fairness, the Parkhead area is not known for it's beauty and was only made to look worse by the poor weather. However, having 2 major events plus a potential parade(!) on in the city on the same day was just a crazy idea - why did they not just move the game to Murrayfield?

I've been to Pro14/12, Heineken Finals, 6Nations and major soccer events in the past and this was the most underwhelming of them all. It really didn't feel like a special event or even the most important event of the day!

All that aside, we won against tough opposition playing with close to home advantage and after what happened in Newcastle, that's the most important thing!

Shefwedfan · 27-05-2019 04:25PM

scottyboy wrote: »

I too attended the game; I am a Scottish Leinster supporter living in Dublin, not from Glasgow but have lived in Glasgow and I can only agree with the above/general comments

Your a what now?

Rigor Mortis · 27-05-2019 04:28PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Your a what now?

Careful man! People can identify as whatever they want these days.

AbusesToilets · 27-05-2019 04:44PM

fitz wrote: »

It applies to everything - if teams were getting pinned continuously for issue in the first 5 minutes of a game, they'd start self-policing. This obsession with letting games flow is having unintended consequences - it rewards cynical play.

That's it exactly. Stopping teams from messing about in the ruck and policing the offside line would do far more to open up the game than allowing a free for all in the manner Owens does.

scottyboy · 27-05-2019 04:46PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Your a what now?

Touche!

GavMan · 27-05-2019 05:27PM

Owens was deplorable this weekend. If RWC2015 was his nadir then this was truly the polar opposite. How many times did he let players fly into the ruck area straight off their feet?

He is well and truly off the boil now

AbusesToilets · 27-05-2019 05:52PM

watch the Healy try lead up, how anyone can watch that objectively and be satisfied with his reffing is baffling.

Clegg · 27-05-2019 06:03PM

GavMan wrote: »

Owens was deplorable this weekend. If RWC2015 was his nadir then this was truly the polar opposite. How many times did he let players fly into the ruck area straight off their feet?

He is well and truly off the boil now

He was even worse in the Munster v Treviso game. Invented a penalty to award Munster. Leinster v Treviso a few months ago was awful as well. McFadden straight armed an Treviso played straight in the head. Band to rights red, but Nigel explains it away to yellow.

The Lost Sheep · 27-05-2019 06:34PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Maybe if you weren't there you could avoid lecturing people who were? I get where you're coming from and why, but people are allowed to take issue with stuff from time to time. Asking a 60-something year old for ID isn't being cautious, it's being ridiculous. And while individual issues can always happen, a combination of them can actually matter.

Im not lecturing anyone.
Never said people cant take issue with things. Yes its ridiculous but its simply over cautious and supervisors being overly strict conservative...

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

A couple of points

When the event is titled sponsored by Guinness, you expect them to be able to serve it and other related drinks with some capability. They weren't. I was there. It was far worse than most stadiums I've been to as regards bar service (and I wasn't even drinking). Newcastle was testing but this was diabolical. I saw men in their 40s being asked for ID.

The fan zone was similar with two tiny bars and barely any queue movement. A guy I met in the airport said that he queued for 40 for a pint pregame.

Additionally, I was told that hey didn't take cards in the stadium so I had to queue at the single atm they had in the area which took 25 minutes.

Some of the turnstile queues were still hundreds long with ten minutes to kick off too.

I had it in Croke Park and Pairc Ui Chaoimh at the weekend at work. Yes sometimes people clearly overage are asked but supervisors can sometimes be overly strict and the young/inexperienced staff will just ask nearly everyone rather than run risk of maybe serving someone theyre not meant to even when its clear and obvious to everyone that theyre well over the age of 18.
That the event was sponsored by Guinness will be irrelevant to serving it properly. You are talking about event staff/kids working there a lot and many will be inexperienced working in a bar and cant pull pint for ****.....

fitz wrote: »

He's been doing that for the last two years.
It drives me nuts. Penalise people consistently at the start of a game and players will stop taking the piss... That, to me, is a far better and fairer approach to make the game flow than just ignoring laws selectively, or repeatedly shouting at players to stop infringing. If you're roaring at a player to get his hands of the ball, he's already slowed it down and killed momentum, Nigel. Blow the damn whistle.
Infuriating.

It isnt that simple that if you penalise it at the start they'll stop. You have to weigh up situations as they happen and no if you are repeatedly shouting at someone to get hands off ball you shouldnt just blow the whistle. The solution isnt always and shouldnt always be to up the penalty count in games

fitz wrote: »

It applies to everything - if teams were getting pinned continuously for issue in the first 5 minutes of a game, they'd start self-policing. This obsession with letting games flow is having unintended consequences - it rewards cynical play.

They wont. It isnt about letting games flow alone its about contest for possession and continuity and that simply isnt decided by pinging constantly on issues early on.

vetinari · 28-05-2019 04:35AM

I must have watched a different game to some people on here.
I thought Leinster got the balance of decisions in the game overall.

The main decision that went Glasgow's way was the non yellow card call in the first half. It definitely was a yellow card.
Kearney's yellow card could certainly have been called a red card. I think Hogg's shoulder neck area hit the ground first and then his head.
I could see refs give that as landing on your head. Kearney is fairly late with his jump and completely wipes out Hogg.

The other major decision that went Leinster's away was a scrum penalty near their own line that was given for Glasgow running around.
Again could easily have gone the other way as Leinster looked under pressure immediately in that scrum.

Glasgow ultimately had chances to win it but were undone by their mistakes. Ringrose's turnover was the key.

Burkie1203 · 28-05-2019 08:25AM

vetinari wrote: »

I must have watched a different game to some people on here.
I thought Leinster got the balance of decisions in the game overall.

The main decision that went Glasgow's way was the non yellow card call in the first half. It definitely was a yellow card.
Kearney's yellow card could certainly have been called a red card. I think Hogg's shoulder neck area hit the ground first and then his head.
I could see refs give that as landing on your head. Kearney is fairly late with his jump and completely wipes out Hogg.

The other major decision that went Leinster's away was a scrum penalty near their own line that was given for Glasgow running around.
Again could easily have gone the other way as Leinster looked under pressure immediately in that scrum.

Glasgow ultimately had chances to win it but were undone by their mistakes. Ringrose's turnover was the key.

Scrum penalty could easily go the other way. There was a few scrum decisions against Leinster that could easily have gone their way too.

Glasgow got the benefit of 4 resets under their own posts. On the next phase Nigel gave a scrum for a phantom knock on and pinged Leinster first time at the scrum.

Leinster didn't get any more or less favourable decisions in the game. Fraser Brown should have been binned and IMO RK should have seen Red. The timing of those decisions meant that Glasgow got the better of them.

molloyjh · 28-05-2019 08:35AM

The ruck was an absolute joke at times too. I remember one where Harley literally walked into a ruck on the Leinster side and was stood fully upright in it. He didnt join the ruck at all and was as blatantly offside as you could possibly be. Nothing from Nige. And let's not talk about the Glasgow players continually going beyond the ruck on their ball. I think it's fair to say that Nige is a distance off the ref he was. And both sides would have seen the benefits and the drawbacks to that.

razorblunt · 28-05-2019 08:40AM

molloyjh wrote: »

The ruck was an absolute joke at times too. I remember one where Harley literally walked into a ruck on the Leinster side and was stood fully upright in it. He didnt join the ruck at all and was as blatantly offside as you could possibly be. Nothing from Nige. And let's not talk about the Glasgow players continually going beyond the ruck on their ball. I think it's fair to say that Nige is a distance off the ref he was. And both sides would have seen the benefits and the drawbacks to that.

Harley had no rugby playing role on Saturday and hasn't had for quite some time. His role is just to be a pest it seems.

vetinari wrote: »

I must have watched a different game to some people on here.
I thought Leinster got the balance of decisions in the game overall.

The main decision that went Glasgow's way was the non yellow card call in the first half. It definitely was a yellow card.
Kearney's yellow card could certainly have been called a red card. I think Hogg's shoulder neck area hit the ground first and then his head.
I could see refs give that as landing on your head. Kearney is fairly late with his jump and completely wipes out Hogg.

The other major decision that went Leinster's away was a scrum penalty near their own line that was given for Glasgow running around.
Again could easily have gone the other way as Leinster looked under pressure immediately in that scrum.

Glasgow ultimately had chances to win it but were undone by their mistakes. Ringrose's turnover was the key.

Glasgow got away with all sorts at ruck time, I know Leinster are no angels but if Glasgow weren't taking players out past the ruck they were coming in at the side taking away any Leinster players attempting to get hands on the ball. If they weren't doing either they were messing like Harley was, as pointed out above.

Shefwedfan · 28-05-2019 10:07AM

vetinari wrote: »

I must have watched a different game to some people on here.
I thought Leinster got the balance of decisions in the game overall.

The main decision that went Glasgow's way was the non yellow card call in the first half. It definitely was a yellow card.
Kearney's yellow card could certainly have been called a red card. I think Hogg's shoulder neck area hit the ground first and then his head.
I could see refs give that as landing on your head. Kearney is fairly late with his jump and completely wipes out Hogg.

The other major decision that went Leinster's away was a scrum penalty near their own line that was given for Glasgow running around.
Again could easily have gone the other way as Leinster looked under pressure immediately in that scrum.

Glasgow ultimately had chances to win it but were undone by their mistakes. Ringrose's turnover was the key.

You did watch a different game

Glasgow spent the entire game offside. Everytime Leinster had the ball they where miles offside. Owens was standing watching it, at one stage a Glasgow player was so far offside he nearly ran into Owens and Owens said nothing

Every ruck they had hands on ball slowing it down, Owens shouted and then they would release. It was a sh*t storm.....

The scrum, no idea what was going on. But I know Glasgow started to run around in a circle first without pushing the Leinster scrum back. Always a bad sign. I was watching on Premier Sports who lets say might have wanted Glasgow to win, they seen it as Glasgow and then kind of back tracked and then went full on Glasgow again. So they had no idea.

Kearney, yes could have been red but they should have looked at the player blocking his run and that threw off his timing. Could have gone either way.

Owens likes a tight match, he hates when one team runs away with it and it was shown again at weekend. As soon as Leinster got a decent lead he was itching to get Glasgow back into it. That is why it was stupid for Leinster not to take 3 points when they killed the Glasgow scrum. Owens would NEVER have given a penalty try because game would have been over. Even bringing over Healy to have a word????? what was that about. Healy was killing the Glasgow guy. When he got his chance he gave a penalty to Glasgow.

Same when Leinster kept the ball and didn't really do anything during yellow card, he was running around trying to find a reason to give Glasgow a penalty.

That is Owens, I have no issue with that. It cost ireland two games v NZ but that is long gone.

I just think for the last few months he has majorly slipped, the first was game in RDS with SA team and then the Munster v Treviso match was as bizzare as they come.

cameramonkey · 28-05-2019 11:46AM

James Lowe's Instagram was very funny last night. He posted some video from a bar maybe in Scotland or Ireland, they all looked very drunk, Sean O'Brien playing the drums shirtless , Henshaw belting out Caledonia and Hand me down my bible. Lowe looked like the most sober clutching the cup.

Paul Smeenus · 28-05-2019 12:01PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

James Lowe's Instagram was very funny last night. He posted some video from a bar maybe in Scotland or Ireland, they all looked very drunk, Sean O'Brien planing the drums shirtless , Henshaw belting out Caledonia and Hand me down my bible. Lowe looked like the most sober clutching the cup.

Sean O'Brien do anything else?

28-05-2019 12:19PM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Sean O'Brien do anything else?

He had his top off in Cassidys eventually

Exclamation Marc · 28-05-2019 12:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He had his top off in Cassidys eventually

I think he was taking the piss...

Ahem.

vetinari · 28-05-2019 03:30PM

The ruck was a mess for both sides though. Leinster took advantage of it as well (as they should).
Leinster's clock killing spell near the end of the game would have been given as sealing off by a different ref.
Players have been clearing out beyond the ruck on their own ball for a while now. Refs occasionally ping it when it's extremely blatant.

Honestly didn't think either side stood out in terms of illegality at the rucks.
Neither side for instance looked as blatantly offside as Saracens did in the Heineken cup final.

Dubinusa · 28-05-2019 11:52PM

Just watched the match. A very good match imo.
Healy was monstrous. The drop off to Ed Byrne is huge.
Fardy as always was great. VDF is miles ahead of everyone else. Ruddock and Conan were great. Sexton was average for him. Ringrose, Larmour and Henshaw played great.
A good ending to the season

Yermande · 29-05-2019 12:22AM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Sean O'Brien do anything else?

Plenty, and he could find himself getting dragged through the tabloids if the other person chooses to bring it further.

Shefwedfan · 29-05-2019 07:22AM

Yermande wrote: »

Plenty, and he could find himself getting dragged through the tabloids if the other person chooses to bring it further.

Where you at it?

29-05-2019 02:03PM

Let's wait until a verified story comes out before any comments on any incidents please

this is across all chat threads

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