Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

Cienciano · 27-05-2019 1:14pm

Balanadan wrote: »

I was down in Garryvoe at the weekend and I was HORRIFIED that there were young children using swings UNSUPERVISED!

Even the children have the cop on to realise you need to hold on, don't hold a a capri sun in one hand and a milk in the other while on a swing. Poor Maria needs an adult standing beside her swing to tell her this.

jammiedodgers · 27-05-2019 1:16pm

Dig up, Maria!

RobertKK · 27-05-2019 1:17pm

FG didn't know she was doing the radio interview. Now they know she does need adult supervision

jon1981 · 27-05-2019 1:18pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Even the children have the cop on to realise you need to hold on, don't hold a a capri sun in one hand and a milk in the other while on a swing. Poor Maria needs an adult standing beside her swing to tell her this.

And this is what make my blood boil. It's claims like this that end up impacting us all, if she was awarded the 60k , the Dean will likely remove the seats.

Basically these claims, facilitated by the courts, end up hitting us all whether it's financial cost through increased premiums or just spoiling the god damn fun!

All because a fecking adult can't be responsible!

Simple_Simone · 27-05-2019 1:19pm

dublin99 wrote: »

She swore an affidavit under oath to support her claim.
An affidavit is a legally binding document.
She lied under oath.
This is an offence.
The defendant should be awarded their costs.
Then the Judge should refer the case to the DPP.
She should be charged with perjury.
But of course, she is above the law....so nothing will happen

Rather like Willie "the perjurer" O'Dea did some years ago!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/willie-o-dea-will-not-face-perjury-case-prosecution-1.622200

FFred · 27-05-2019 1:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN69HnXny7c

Sorry about that · 27-05-2019 1:20pm

I would love to know what her best 10k time is, as she said the 53 mins wasn't good 'for her'. Just to know if she was bs'ing about that too.

odyssey06 · 27-05-2019 1:20pm

This song is probably playing in Fine Gael HQ now...

Suckit · 27-05-2019 1:21pm

So, if I am understanding this correctly...

Maria Bailey went to a friends house and had one glass wine, then when she got to the hotel she bought a cockail and somebody with her bought a bottle of wine.
She went to sit on the swing, and because it was shiny and there was no supervision, she slipped off it as the seat moved when she went to grab the bottle of wine from her friend, with her untouched cocktail in the other hand (presumably admitted because CCTV exists).
The court submitted papers say that she was in hospital the next morning, but she was on TV according to those dates. She has since said that the court submitted papers got the dates wrong (because if they were correct, she would have been committing attempted insurance fraud). She couldn't do anything for 3 months, but went to a concert (but only one of those 'easy-going' concerts, where nobody would have bumped into her, and there was no risk of damage), and then ran in a 10k race.
Then when it becomes public that an elected TD, whose party are currently claiming to tackle 'compo culture' is suing a hotel for failing to sit on a swing that 3 year olds have been able to master for centuries, using the law firm of another Fine Gael TD, she goes on RTE and blames the journalists for printing it, the public (keyboard warriors), declares that she grew up on the sidelines of a GAA pitch and plays fair, and blames everyone else but herself.

I would love to see that CCTV footage. I bet it would teach Neymar a thing or two about falling.

I have probably left out loads. But I think that's the jist.

Father Hernandez · 27-05-2019 1:22pm

Sorry about that wrote: »

I would love to know what her best 10k time is, as she said the 53 mins wasn't good 'for her'. Just to know if she was bs'ing about that too.

55 seconds slower than the previous year apparently

Delighted she has been caught out, she deserves absolutely everything thrown at her. She's the one in the wrong, she's the one who has tried to sue because of pure greed.

What a cúnt

golfball37 · 27-05-2019 1:24pm

Simple_Simone wrote: »

Rather like Willie "the perjurer" O'Dea did some years ago!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/willie-o-dea-will-not-face-perjury-case-prosecution-1.622200

Willie paid out quite a hefty sum in that one. The sickening thing about that one was not what he said about Quinlivan it was that he called a young journalist a liar and would have ruined his career only for the fact the young lad had it on tape.

ToBeFrank123 · 27-05-2019 1:24pm

dublin99 wrote: »

She swore an affidavit under oath to support her claim.
An affidavit is a legally binding document.
She lied under oath.
This is an offence.
The defendant should be awarded their costs.
Then the Judge should refer the case to the DPP.
She should be charged with perjury.
But of course, she is above the law....so nothing will happen

All that is a wider discussion for another day. Most people who make fraudulent claims lie under oath eg. They argue they are badly injured but are caught running, boxing, playing football a few weeks after the alleged incident.
Have any of these cases been referred to the DPP? If not, why not? If they were referred to the DPP and if they faced prison time or a large fine, and it was well publicised, you'd soon see a dramatic drop in fraudulent claims as well as the cost of insurance.

This is it · 27-05-2019 1:25pm

Haven't read the last few pages but have listened to the interview and follow up comments. She did herself no favours. Any question that would compromise her was turned down. Regina Doherty threw her under the bus in a follow up interview and reading other news sources, Simon Harris has out the boot in too.

They'll need to thread carefully but she could end up out on her ear by the sounds of it. She was so badly prepared for that interview.

seamus · 27-05-2019 1:25pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

55 seconds slower than the previous year apparently

55 seconds over a 10k is nothing, 5.5 seconds slower per KM. That's the kind of differential when you're a little tired or you had a few beers the night before, not when you're quite injured and "just dipping your toe".

Fotish · 27-05-2019 1:25pm

Listened to the interview there now.

I think that her main gripe is that her insurance claim was made public knowledge, she would have been perfectly happy if she could fill her boots and everything was kept nice and quiet.

She was told that there would be no publicity before the case was heard in the High Court, bad advice unfortunately for her, maybe she can sue the Solicitors !

Sorry about that · 27-05-2019 1:26pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

55 seconds slower than the previous year apparently

Delighted she has been caught out, she deserves absolutely everything thrown at her. She's the one in the wrong, she's the one who has tried to sue because of pure greed.

What a cúnt

So the severity of her injuries cost her less than a minute!!! So funny!! Thanks for the information- was very curious.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-05-2019 1:27pm

Fotish wrote: »

Listened to the interview there now.

I think that her main gripe is that her insurance claim was made public knowledge, she would have been perfectly happy if she could fill her boots and everything was kept nice and quiet.

She was told that there would be no publicity before the case was heard in the High Court, bad advice unfortunately for her, maybe she can sue the Solicitors !

i honestly think madigan is now directly implicated after that interview

jon1981 · 27-05-2019 1:29pm

This is it wrote: »

She was so badly prepared for that interview.

That was her own doing, she thought answering nothing and portraying the strong female who is a working mother balancing a home with work would see her through.

Kivaro · 27-05-2019 1:29pm

Mark Rippetoe wrote: »

https://soundcloud.com/rte-radio-1/maria-bailey-1?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

16k listens now

41K now.

27-05-2019 1:30pm

what's the story here folks, I'm delighted she was shown for the money hungry kit she is, but have the indo got an axe to grind on her or something??

See below, someone really hates her, though cannot say I blame them.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/full-transcript-td-maria-baileys-explosive-radio-interview-over-dropped-swing-fall-case/ar-AABZa3G?ocid=spartandhp

PaulieC · 27-05-2019 1:31pm

at the start of the interview she said it was a closed case so someone had to have leaked the details. Then she does on to say that Michael McDowell and Michael Martin should have known better talking about the case as it was a live case. So which was it ?

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 27-05-2019 1:31pm

seamus wrote: »

55 seconds over a 10k is nothing, 5.5 seconds slower per KM. That's the kind of differential when you're a little tired or you had a few beers the night before, not when you're quite injured and "just dipping your toe".

And if your out on the rip 3 weeks before and then to a concert, where you even training properly up to it. Her best time was proabably her being more focused.

Waiting for the Longitude pictures of her jumping around like a headless chicken to arrive. Surely anyone that was there should be checking their pictures, she's in the background of some for sure

titan18 · 27-05-2019 1:31pm

seamus wrote: »

I think the impact of this case shouldn't be understated. Yeah, it's a little bit of a joke and a laugh, stupid woman suing because she doesn't know how to use a swing.

But with the information over the weekend that indicated she was very clearly trying on some insurance fraud, and now she's switched to playing the victim, people are generally livid about this. And what Leo does next is going to be seen as Fine Gael's opinion on the matter - if they do nothing, then FG have no problem with insurance fraud. Opinion polls will start going down the swanny, FF will start eying up an election.
If they let her go, then they're making a statement that the sh1tehawkery of the past won't be tolerated any more.

Enda was a grand man for turning a blind eye to this kind of stuff. But Leo "welfare cheats" Varadkar has made anti-fraud and anti-corruption a strong part of their message, and if they don't stick to it they're going to get hammered.

I personally think he's even let it go too soft by saying that he "wants to hear her side" before making a decision. It sounds like he's being reasonable, but at this stage she's already toast. Her side of the story is irrelevant; even if she's been completely wronged on this one and the media have been unfair to her, FG have to let her go. Something less conciliatory like, "The party leadership will meet to discuss the issue" would have sounded better. At the moment he sounds like he wants to give her a chance to stay.

I'd agree. Voted FG last two GEs, but they won't have my vote with this if they allow it to slide. I can excuse some of the other ****e like children's hospital and broadband plan as there's no other good options, but this would be a new low, even for them.

Plumbthedepths · 27-05-2019 1:32pm

seamus wrote:

55 seconds over a 10k is nothing, 5.5 seconds slower per KM. That's the kind of differential when you're a little tired or you had a few beers the night before, not when you're quite injured and "just dipping your toe".

Actually it was only 44 seconds slower than her 2014 time yet it was quicker than 58m 20 sec in 2012. 3 years older with a 'serious back injury' in 2015 she was still 4 minutes quicker.
Although she dig holes faster than she can run.

seamus · 27-05-2019 1:32pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Have any of these cases been referred to the DPP? If not, why not? If they were referred to the DPP and if they faced prison time or a large fine, and it was well publicised, you'd soon see a dramatic drop in fraudulent claims as well as the cost of insurance.

Perjury itself is a separate offence. Someone asked above why the judge didn't send the case to the DPP, and that's because they can't.

A Garda has to investigate the allegation, compile documentary evidence and refer it to the DPP. The DPP then has to try and charge the person with perjury under old common law, because we don't have any explicit crime of perjury on the books. We know this is unlikely to succeed for a variety of factors, so we just don't bother.

Judges and Gardai have been screaming about this since the inception of the state, but governments haven't bothered their hole to do anything about it until now. There's a bill currently making its way through the Seanad, that if approved by the Dáil will make perjury an explicit offence and relatively easier to prosecute.

ToBeFrank123 · 27-05-2019 1:32pm

She could learn a thing or two from the traditional backbenchers in the Dail who you never heard of until they retired. Even many of their own constituents don't know who they were.

Take the salary, follow the leader, stay out of the limelight and retire with the big fat pension. It couldn't be simpler.

Muahahaha · 27-05-2019 1:32pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Wow this is car crash stuff, she was probably planning her summer in Disneyland with the pay out and now this looks like the end of her political career.

Lets hope the media now get to the bottom of her 2004 claim against her employer Aer Lingus. Apparantly that time the anti-social hours that she knew in advance she would have to work about and that she signed up to gave her migraines. But instead of finding a 9-5 job like anyone else would she sues them and the rumour is now that she got an out of court settlement of €160,000. Aer Lingus was a loss making semi state at the time so thats literally taxpayers money lining Marias pockets.

seamus wrote: »

Enda was a grand man for turning a blind eye to this kind of stuff. But Leo "welfare cheats" Varadkar has made anti-fraud and anti-corruption a strong part of their message, and if they don't stick to it they're going to get hammered.

Its a very good point, if Leo doesnt act now after that car crash this morning his leadership of the party will have been weakened.

RobertKK wrote: »

FG didn't know she was doing the radio interview. Now they know she does need adult supervision

You see thats why the taxpayer needed to spend €5m a year on Leos spin unit, if they had of been in operation then this would never have happened. Bring back the spinners for they will protect us from the likes of Maria Bailey!

Snow Garden · 27-05-2019 1:34pm

Sean Sean....I've done nothing wrong here
Sean Sean....I was hurt too
Sean Sean....waffle waffle

PaulieC · 27-05-2019 1:35pm

PaulieC wrote: »

at the start of the interview she said it was a closed case so someone had to have leaked the details. Then she does on to say that Michael McDowell and Michael Martin should have known better talking about the case as it was a live case. So which was it ?

she had to stay away from her house for three days last week and at the same time had to work from home for three days.

jon1981 · 27-05-2019 1:36pm

To be fair, she was sitting down

https://twitter.com/MariaBaileyFG/status/622520423830429696

Gunmonkey · 27-05-2019 1:36pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Wow this is car crash stuff, she was probably planning her summer in Disneyland with the pay out and now this looks like the end of her political career.

Family holiday, shopping trip to New York and then a nice night out at the Dean, got start "saving up" for Christmas!

Marcusm · 27-05-2019 1:37pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

The mystery of what the other hand was doing continues...

With the other hand, she was trying to save a baby that someone had recklessly tossed into the air. Actually she's a hero... in her own head.

We need an independent judicial inquiry into the second hand. Only a judge can establish this.

She was holding onto the dog that Frances Fitzgerald rescued.

27-05-2019 1:38pm

she didn't go on to clarify, exonerate, defend or apologise. She just went on for pity's sake and to admonish her "attackers", how dare they question her fraudulent claim and the stealthy manner in which she hoped it would succeed!

Sardonicat · 27-05-2019 1:38pm

jon1981 wrote: »

This is it wrote: »

She was so badly prepared for that interview.

That was her own doing, she thought answering nothing and portraying the strong female who is a working mother balancing a home with work would see her through.

Well, she can't balance on a swing. ...

PaulieC · 27-05-2019 1:39pm

PaulieC wrote: »

she had to stay away from her house for three days last week and at the same time had to work from home for three days.

She knows a lot of the technical details of the case, but won't answer questions as she has no legal knowledge

Plumbthedepths · 27-05-2019 1:39pm

rusty cole wrote:

what's the story here folks, I'm delighted she was shown for the money hungry kit she is, but have the indo got an axe to grind on her or something??

Someone else posted here, that the firm representing her maybe the link. It was suggested the present culture minister objected to a development application from the same individuals that own the hotel in question.

27-05-2019 1:40pm

seamus wrote: »

Perjury itself is a separate offence. Someone asked above why the judge didn't send the case to the DPP, and that's because they can't.

A Garda has to investigate the allegation, compile documentary evidence and refer it to the DPP. The DPP then has to try and charge the person with perjury under old common law, because we don't have any explicit crime of perjury on the books.

Perjury is a form of contempt, which is one of the few examples of a crime which a Court has jurisdiction to prosecute and try within its own inherent powers (contempt in the face of the Court)

Joegriffin2019 · 27-05-2019 1:40pm

Shes in the playground now in Dun Laoighre ffs

odyssey06 · 27-05-2019 1:40pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

You see thats why the taxpayer needed to spend €5m a year on Leos spin unit, if they had of been in operation then this would never have happened. Bring back the spinners for they will protect us from the likes of Maria Bailey!

To be fair, that's a good point. IF she couldn't handle a swing she wouldn't be able for the level of spin a cabinet role needs.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-05-2019 1:41pm

i'd rather sit on my couch in my pyjamas then go out drinking...

well in that case miss bailey you've lost my vote!

Mrsmum · 27-05-2019 1:41pm

jon1981 wrote: »

That was her own doing, she thought answering nothing and portraying the strong female who is a working mother balancing a home with work would see her through.

The thing is because her case was just wrong at every level, there was never a chance she would improve herself during any interview, this soon anyway. When you haven't a leg to stand on and everyone is onto you, there's no good way to put it across. If she had any brain in her head, she wouldn't have done the interview at all. Or maybe she could have said I made a serious error of judgement for which I apologise for. I have come to realise we can all be more part of the problem than we realise, something like that. The damage was done so not sure if anything would have saved her. But her performance on radio today was an exercise in her embarrassing herself royally.

27-05-2019 1:43pm

https://www.change.org/p/maria-bailey-demanding-the-resignation-of-maria-bailey-td

Closing in on 1,500 signatures

Snow Garden · 27-05-2019 1:43pm

Being cynical I imagine some journalists will get extra scrutiny from the Gardai for leaking this story before the local elections.

Auguste Comte · 27-05-2019 1:43pm

Now that she has pulled the claim I really hope that the hotel security video that I presume exists manages to make its way into the public.

Comedy gold for sure.

Joegriffin2019 · 27-05-2019 1:43pm

The interview on Sean O Rourke this morning, shes some neck.

jon1981 · 27-05-2019 1:44pm

downtheroad wrote: »

https://www.change.org/p/maria-bailey-demanding-the-resignation-of-maria-bailey-td

Closing in on 1,500 signatures

I don't take much heed to these. It's open to anyones agenda.

FishOnABike · 27-05-2019 1:45pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

We need more women in politics, they are more transparent and honest, the media and feminists say. #LOL

Indeed, this is what happens when candidates are chosen to fulfill quotas rather than being selected based on quality.

jon1981 · 27-05-2019 1:46pm

FishOnABike wrote: »

Indeed, this is what happens when candidates are chosen to fulfill quotas rather than being selected based on quality.

Ah now... no need for that!

MrFresh · 27-05-2019 1:47pm

Joegriffin2019 wrote: »

The interview on Sean O Rourke this morning, shes some neck.

That was awful. She just didn't get it. It doesn't matter if you were hurt, it's why you blame the hotel that people want to know.

Snow Garden · 27-05-2019 1:48pm

FishOnABike wrote: »

Indeed, this is what happens when candidates are chosen to fulfill quotas rather than being selected based on quality.

It's nepotism really.

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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