If that goes ahead, I may hang up me boots for good

rugerfanatic wrote: »

What about rifles eg 22lr?

As far as I know there is no replacement for lead so 22 and 17 will be as good as gone unless somebody comes up with some replacement.

Good article on this hoax.

www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/culture/the-myth-of-poisonous-lead-ammo/?fbclid=IwAR1TSexSTbyxp_21QpeYGR5GlZeNu39G9i_2JmILIqEvuzfa5hYMzsmaXMQ




Let's start from the end: metallic lead in ammunition (bullets and primers) has no significant impact on human health. It's a fact proven by several scientific studies and research papers. Yet, anti-gun and anti-hunting movements spread the wrong assumption among public opinion that hunters and shooters are the most affected by lead poisoning because of their high exposure to lead contained in ammunition. Even if disguised as a public health concern, the underlying message is always the same: guns are evil and should be prohibited.

To clarify the truth an article by Gloria Martini, secretary-general of AFEMS (the Association of European Manufacturers of Sporting Ammunition) tells the story of Danka Barteková, a Slovak professional skeet shooter and a member of the IOC Athletes Committee. The article has been published on Euractiv, the media platform focusing on European policymaking.


Has metallic lead in ammunition (bullets and primers) any significant impact on human health? The answer is “no”.
One of the most well-known athletes in her country and flag bearer for Slovakia at the Rio 2016 Olympics Games opening ceremony, Barteková started to shoot in 1998 at the age of 13, winning lots of medals from many European and World Championships. Among them, 5 medals from the World Cup Final, 9 medals from the World Cups and a bronze medal from the Olympic Games 2012 in London. Barteková is also a two-times European Champion, a 14-times Slovak champion in skeet and at the European Championships held in Nicosia, Cyprus in 2008, she set a world record by hitting 99 targets out of 100.

In the process, Barteková fired many, many “poisonous” cartridges, of course. So, as Gloria Martini informs us, “Earlier this year, the Slovak shooter decided to undergo a blood test to measure lead level in her body. One, if not all, would expect to find an elevated blood lead level in the body of an athlete that for two decades has been shooting an average of 200 rounds a day five days a week and that has, in her career, some 500 thousand targets under her belt.”

Ideology vs. reality
The results of Barteková's test? Well, as you may have guessed, they are not what anti-gun zealots would expect. In Martini's words, “Her blood test result showed no significant concentration of lead in her blood just like any other individual in good health that has never shot a single round in his life."

Is Barteková a lucky girl? Well, human exposure to other forms of lead may cause health problems – even very serious ones. But once again evidence proves that metallic lead in ammunition does not have any significant effect on human health. Actually, this is a well-known fact to anybody who takes a non-ideological, unbiased approach to the matter, since scientific proof has long been available. In 2015 AFEMS even organized in Brussels the symposium “The Sustainable Use of Lead Ammunition in Hunting and Sports Shooting: Facts and Emotions” with a panel entirely focused on the effects of lead ammunition on human health.

Just as we are certain that Barteková's case is a further confirmation, however, we can be sure that scientific evidence won't affect the anti-gun movement at all, since the latter is too often ideology-based rather than evidence-based. And as the saying goes, if reality does not fit the concept – too bad for reality!
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what are they thinking, less shooting birds now than 20 years ago.

Over 100,000 guns could be banned under new EU rules
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/over-100000-guns-could-be-banned-under-new-eu-rules-38117388.html

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The federation of county cork gun clubs are having the nargc down to give a talk on this topic

If I’m reading it right, the ban is for using lead over wetlands. I’d say only 20% is **** over wetlands.

People getting excited over very little. Totally overhyped. I don’t believe it’s the thin end of the wedge either, that argument is used in every change of law but is rarely the case.

Its lead (full stop)

If you are lucky they might say over wetlands , wetland as defined by Ramsar. The ramsar definition is defined as
"areas of marsh, fen, peatland or water, whether natural or artificial, permanent or temporary, with water that is static or flowing, fresh, brackish or salt, including areas of marine water the depth of which at low tide does not exceed six metres.”

that by my calculation includes cavan and
leitrim fields in December

Odelay wrote: »

If I’m reading it right, the ban is for using lead over wetlands. I’d say only 20% is **** over wetlands.

People getting excited over very little. Totally overhyped. I don’t believe it’s the thin end of the wedge either, that argument is used in every change of law but is rarely the case.

You need to read the proposed EU directive,as to what the EU classifies as wetland,then be very worried,as it could apply to most of Ireland.
These are the type of people we are going up against.
https://newsletter.echa.europa.eu/home/-/newsletter/entry/terrestrial-environments-also-being-polluted-with-lead-ammunition
The report in more detail
https://echa.europa.eu/documents/10162/13641/restrictions_lead_shot_axv_report_en.pdf/6ef877d5-94b7-a8f8-1c49-8c07c894fff7

From that report,the only 3 countries with no type of ban on lead shot in place.IRELAND.Poland,Greece... Guess who is going to get it in the neck on that folks???

What definition does the EU use for "wetland?Called the "Ramsar definition".

The definition used for defining the wetland is the following [1] “areas of marsh, fen, peatland or water, whether natural or artificial, permanent or temporary, with water that is static or flowing, fresh, brackish or salt, including areas of marine water the depth of which at low tide does not exceed six metres”.

The Ramsar definition of wetlands is a comprehensive and internationally recognised definition

So that basically covers every bog,and the foreshores as well as the lakes of Ireland.:(

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

If this BS comes to pass, can we switch to copper plated ammunition and carry on?

If you can afford copper plated shotgun shells?BTW in some contries,possibly even here,steel shot or steel bullets"COULD" be considerd Armour piercing ammo under some legislation.

Grizzly 45 wrote:

And who is going to go and check it???Mking laws is one thing,enforcing is another.

Npws rangers, gardai (wouldn't they love another reason to refuse a licence) and fcuk knows who else
Let's not let it get that far

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And who is going to go and check it???Mking laws is one thing,enforcing is another.

Ok different country, but when I was in Scotland, the guy told us that they check pretty often for lead/steel shot.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And who is going to go and check it???Mking laws is one thing,enforcing is another.

#Restrict the sale of lead based ammunition to only those shooting on authorised ranges.
That would be a lot of folks fecked as I'd say theres more out there field shooting rather than range shooting.

#But the easier option for the powers to be is to ban the sale of lead based ammo to everyone!
Sneaky things like banning the sale but not the use, banning the import but not the sale /use would be the chicken **** way they could do it.

This may fizzle out and become one of those EU regs that by the time it drips down to each member state it becomes diluted, un-enforceable and impracticable?

Many of the food safety regs are not enforced across the EU and there are vast variations in thier application.......... but unfortunately the Nanny state that Ireland is may just jump feet first into the regs as seen in other directives.

But as a kind of contradiction to my opening, if they don't down right ban lead ammo from the shops, who indeed will actually be on the ground to enforce such regulations considering the lack of man hours invested into many of our agencies.

It’s more probable that they would just ban the sale of all lead ammunition, for some there is no other real alternative and for others the cost of the ‘non lead’ shot would be way too prohibitive, as it up to 5 times more !!

Baker.22 wrote: »

I understand that the issue is that the EU has designated all of the island of Ireland as a wetland, therefore nobody can shoot on the island using lead in their bullets and cartridges and pellets.

This also has other implications as if everywhere is a wetland you cannot spread slurry on the land or have a septic tank at your house.

I have been told the law is there but not enacted yet, probably after the Euro elections!

VRT is deemed non-compliant with EU law as well since years now. No sign of that having been implemented.

cavan shooter wrote: »

Lead will be banned in all ammunition, the possession of it will be illegal, except for Military and Police use, I kid you not that is what the proposal said. So I assume they will use the army and the Police.

Which just goes to show how thick/malicious these people are who are putting this together.It might be banned,but have bans ever sorted out anything??

JohnFitz2332 wrote: »

I'm a little confused about something. I was wondering, if this lead ban was to pass, why wouldn't .22 shooters just switch to copper rounds (not the point, I know - the ban shouldn't happen at all), and I'm seeing online that even copper rounds contain lead in the primer compound. Does this mean that if this does happen, that 22s (and other small calibres I'm sure) would be completely useless?

'Copper' .22 rounds are solid lead with a thin copper wash over them. You can scrape it off with your nail.