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    #3692
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Amantine wrote: »
    Wakefield is worth 1.7 Million, that's over his lifetime. The home was also paid for by his wife who had to work as a radio presenter. My in laws with their large home in Bray and two investment apartments are worth about the same. So are thousands of people in Dublin with modest jobs who are the same age as Wakefield. He would have done much better if he had kept his mouth shut and kept his licence. Compare this to the billions that the pharmaceutical companies make in a few months...


    You also have to take into account that property in America can be far cheaper than it is here.


    1 million could buy you a big mansion in the states but in parts of South Dublin you can pay over that for just a 4 bedroom house.


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    #3693
    Amantine
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭Amantine


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    You also have to take into account that property in America can be far cheaper than it is here.


    1 million could buy you a big mansion in the states but in parts of South Dublin you can pay over that for just a 4 bedroom house.
    He's hardly making millions, the pharmaceutical companies on the other hand...


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    #3694
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,979 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    It's like we've reached peak loony here.


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    #3695
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,979 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    You also have to take into account that property in America can be far cheaper than it is here.


    1 million could buy you a big mansion in the states but in parts of South Dublin you can pay over that for just a 4 bedroom house.

    Oh, so one of you anti-vax loons is now feeding off the information provided by another anti-vax loon. It's like we've reached peak loony here.

    So... Wakefield made his money on anti-vaxing; remember that (this was pointed out to you once before), Wakefield performed his nefarious acts because he wanted *his* vaccine to be used instead of the MMR. So, he wasn't anti-vax then, in fact you could have called him a vaccine shill back in the day.

    As to what costs what where, Wakefield's not exactly living in a shack. And your attempt to refute Deer's video is laughable. Wakefield was struck off. Live with it. He's a fraud.


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    #3696
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Igotadose wrote: »
    It's like we've reached peak loony here.
    Yeah justifying the moniker 'vaxtards'.......


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    #3697
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Oh, so one of you anti-vax loons is now feeding off the information provided by another anti-vax loon. It's like we've reached peak loony here.

    So... Wakefield made his money on anti-vaxing; remember that (this was pointed out to you once before), Wakefield performed his nefarious acts because he wanted *his* vaccine to be used instead of the MMR. So, he wasn't anti-vax then, in fact you could have called him a vaccine shill back in the day.

    As to what costs what where, Wakefield's not exactly living in a shack. And your attempt to refute Deer's video is laughable. Wakefield was struck off. Live with it. He's a fraud.




    Yes he was struck off in a non court of law but his colleague Dr John Walker Smith who faced the same charges as Wakefield was later cleared of any wrong doing once he appealed to a real count of law.


    Thats one small detail you hear very little about from the fake media when they talk about the Wakefield story.


    If Wakefield was so bad why was his colleague Dr John Walker Smith who faced the same charges as Wakefield cleared ?


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    #3698
    Amantine
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭Amantine


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yes he was struck off in a non court of law but his colleague Dr John Walker Smith who faced the same charges as Wakefield was later cleared of any wrong doing once he appealed to a real count of law.


    Thats one small detail you hear very little about from the fake media when they talk about the Wakefield story.


    If Wakefield was so bad why was his colleague who faced the same charges as Wakefield cleared ?

    Because they needed Wakefield as a scapegoat, they needed to show what would happen to anyone who compromises their $$$, he wasn't even against vaccines, very few people are, he merely showed that for some kids it's better to give the vaccines separately.


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    #3699
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Amantine wrote: »
    Because they needed a scapegoat, they needed to show what would happen to anyone who compromises their $$$,




    Yes and not one of the parents of Wakefield's patients had a bad word to say about him.


    That's some "child abuser".


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    #3700
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yes he was struck off in a non court of law but his colleague Dr John Walker Smith who faced the same charges as Wakefield was later cleared of any wrong doing once he appealed to a real count of law.


    Thats one small detail you hear very little about from the fake media when they talk about the Wakefield story.


    If Wakefield was so bad why was his colleague who faced the same charges as Wakefield cleared ?
    I'm imagining the fact that Wakefield was set to make a profit via the fraud, it resulted in him being viewed as the one with the intent.

    We also shouldn't forget that you've already tried to justify lumbar punctures on autistic children. Wakefield pushed the abuse of children, he lied about what "tests" were going to be done on children. The fact he actively avoided ethics committees is pretty telling.


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    #3701
    Amantine
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭Amantine


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yes and not one of the parents of Wakefield's patients had a bad word to say about him.


    That's some "child abuser".

    Lots of people have reported of the abuse of pharmaceutical companies on the other hand. Actually the news is full of what the likes of Merck and Glaxosmithkline have done and the thousands of people they have hurt. But for some reason, they are never held accountable. Double standard???


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    #3702
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Amantine wrote: »
    Lots of people have reported of the abuse of pharmaceutical companies on the other hand. Actually the news is full of what the likes of Merck and Glaxosmithkline have done and the thousands of people who they have hurt. But for some reason, they are never held accountable. Double standard???




    If you have enough money you are basically above the law.


    We have seen this with the banksters in Ireland.


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    #3703
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm imagining the fact that Wakefield was set to make a profit via the fraud, it resulted in him being viewed as the one with the intent.

    We also shouldn't forget that you've already tried to justify lumbar punctures on autistic children. Wakefield pushed the abuse of children, he lied about what "tests" were going to be done on children. The fact he actively avoided ethics committees is pretty telling.

    Pretty much it, the CMC didn't show that his intent was to carry out research under the guise of treatment.

    It seems his role was to treat the kids after Wakefields abuse and he may not of been aware of what Wakefiled was doing.


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    #3704
    Amantine
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭Amantine


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    If you have enough money you are basically above the law.


    We have seen this with the banksters in Ireland.

    Global pharma market will reach $1.12 trillion in 2022, they will BE the law! They have enough to buy congress 10 times over.

    source:https://pharmaceuticalcommerce.com/business-and-finance/global-pharma-market-will-reach-1-12-trillion-2022/


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    #3705
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm imagining the fact that Wakefield was set to make a profit via the fraud, it resulted in him being viewed as the one with the intent.

    We also shouldn't forget that you've already tried to justify lumbar punctures on autistic children. Wakefield pushed the abuse of children, he lied about what "tests" were going to be done on children. The fact he actively avoided ethics committees is pretty telling.




    None of the parents complained about Wakefield so whats the problem ?


    If their was any abuse the parents would be first to call it out.


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    #3706
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    None of the parents complained about Wakefield so whats the problem ?


    If their was any abuse the parents would be first to call it out.

    The findings were that abuse occurred. The tests were not signed off on.


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    #3707
    Amantine
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭Amantine


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    None of the parents complained about Wakefield so whats the problem ?


    If their was any abuse the parents would be first to call it out.

    Thank you. Again, we don't even know what thousands of kids were subjected to in the mother and baby homes because Glaxosmithkline was using them as guinea pigs. There is a mass grave after all. Cut the crap with Wakefield, we know who the real abusers are! Did Glaxosmithkline ever offer any kind of compensation? No, the documents disappeared and people born as late as the 70s will never know what was done to them.


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    #3708
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    People should realize that Brian Deer is not just a "journalist" he's also an activist who make an official complaint against Wakefield which led to his downfall.

    Anything Deer says about Wakefield is coming from a biased perception.


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    #3709
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    People should realize that Brian Deer is not just a "journalist" he's also an activist who make an official complaint against Wakefield that led to his downfall.

    Anything Deer says about Wakefield is coming from biased perception.

    Still waiting on that proof by the way. Any time you're ready.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3710
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    People should realize that Brian Deer is not just a "journalist" he's also an activist who make an official complaint against Wakefield which led to his downfall.

    Anything Deer says about Wakefield is coming from a biased perception.

    This is like saying the journalist who exposed Theranos was an activist because he made complaints in relation to fraud. If somebody finds serious breaches in ethics, reporting those breaches is the ethical course...


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    #3711
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Still waiting on that proof by the way. Any time you're ready.


    Proof of what ?


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    #3712
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,241 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Proof of what ?

    Deer's alleged lies.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3713
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    batgoat wrote: »
    This is like saying the journalist who exposed Theranos was an activist because he made complaints in relation to fraud. If somebody finds serious breaches in ethics, reporting those breaches is the ethical course...




    Yet Deer couldn't find one parent to back up the "abuse" allegations against Wakefield.


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    #3714
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    No, that is what the media have told you that antivaxxers have caused. There is a difference.

    Honest question, if the outbreaks of measles in children are not being caused by parents who refuse to vaccinate their children... what else could be causing them? I genuinely can't think of anything else.


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    #3715
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Honest question, if the outbreaks of measles in children are not being caused by parents who refuse to vaccinate their children... what else could be causing them? I genuinely can't think of anything else.




    Immigrants.

    Mod

    Thread banned.


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    #3716
    Amantine
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭Amantine


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Deer's alleged lies.
    Why? What's it going to change? None of the parent ever claimed that wakefield abused their children. The only people who do where not there and have something to gain.


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    #3717
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Immigrants.

    Immigrants, I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!
    hqdefault.jpg


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    #3718
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yet Deer couldn't find one parent to back up the "abuse" allegations against Wakefield.

    Still doesn't prove anything. Parents are perfectly capable of ignoring what they volunteered their children for.


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    #3719
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Immigrants, I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!
    hqdefault.jpg

    Moe’s right.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/local/americans-once-believed-the-irish-caused-cholera/HPHiGaOtMcsElfurR0AE1H/amp.html


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    #3720
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Amantine wrote: »
    Why? What's it going to change? None of the parent ever claimed that wakefield abused their children. The only people who do where not there and have something to gain.
    Something to gain such as...?


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    #3721
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    I think one of the conspiracies peddled here is that mmr causes autism.

    It doesn't.

    Its amazing how many people have been sucked in and continue to be sucked in by this disproved link/conspiracy.
    The original report was "when asked, parents of a small set of kids said they started behaving worse around the time they were vaccinated."

    It's about as scientific as that Cat Food ad that said "eight out of ten owners said their cat prefers it"

    This was the followed by a leap of the imagination to "so this new vaccine is safer than that vaccine"



    Parents are not scientists or doctors. It was just 12 kids, not randomly selected. 11 male.


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