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Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

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    #602
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Give me the evidence and let me decide!


    There!
    Is!
    No!
    War!!!

    That's a telling answer, unfortunately.

    There was a war.


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    #603
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    ...and yet no impartial write-up, no photos and videos etc?

    I did check the quotes and they're reported in other outlets so not doubting on that front. But the claim that the British army is actively terrorising people at the moment seems more to be about fostering fear tbh


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    #604
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Tomas81 wrote: »
    Mate your IP address isn't even Irish ya lunatic, why am I entertaining you.

    I think you might be on to something. There's an air of support for the British security forces emerging from many of the posts here. How many of the posters are actually British or unionist in persuasion?


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    #605
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    batgoat wrote: »
    I did check the quotes and they're reported in other outlets so not doubting on that front. But the claim that the British army is actively terrorising people at the moment seems more to be about fostering fear tbh

    I don't think anyone has claimed that. They have a history of it, it's natural that the Nationalist community would be worried about their presence.


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    #606
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Tomas81 wrote: »
    https://republican-news.org/current/news/2015/08/british_army_carry_out_derry_r.html

    So as has been stated the BA explosives team will tag along if there is a risk.of explosives
    The PSNI in Derry admitted the move. It said “military specialists” had been called in to search for “munitions and explosive devices”, which it said was a “high risk search”.


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    #607
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Tomas81 wrote: »
    Mate your IP address isn't even Irish ya lunatic, why am I entertaining you.

    Now that's gotta be the funniest post in this whole thread :pac:


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    #608
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,023 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Farawayhome wrote: »
    Not really. 51% of those they killed during the war were innocent civilians, this doesn't include the innocents killed by their unionist allies using their bombs, guns and ammunition.

    Yet, the PIRA killed civilians and Catholics than the BA.


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    #609
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,023 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So as has been stated the BA explosives team will tag along if there is a risk.of explosives

    Shinnerbot logic.

    Store explosives and bomb-making materials in a housing estate.
    House gets raided because of said explosives.
    Blame the PSNI/BA for doing their job....


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    #610
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    WTF

    How many of you are from Derry or the North? How many grew up through the troubles? How can you defend the actions of the State army on its own citizens?

    What happened on Thursday was a joke what those clowns did, and to get youngsters to do their dirty work is even worse. The tide in the city has really turned on that group of thugs who are trying to drag the place backwards.

    ******



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    #611
    WinnyThePoo
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    Tomas81 wrote: »
    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    ...and yet no impartial write-up, no photos and videos etc?

    Mate your IP address isn't even Irish ya lunatic, why am I entertaining you.

    Nice deflection there.


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    #612
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    markodaly wrote: »
    Yet, the PIRA killed civilians and Catholics than the BA.

    The British side who fought side by side, armed each other with weapons and information, planted bombs together etc killed over 1,000 civilians. The majority of these were killed just because they were Catholics.


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    #613
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Interesting fact regarding creggan estate relating to yesterdays discussion on the lack of a "ballot box" for Catholics.
    Creggan was designed as a gerrymandering exercise to move catholics from the city thus giving the largely Catholic area a protestant majority on the council.


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    #614
    facehugger99
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    Farawayhome wrote: »
    The British side who fought side by side, armed each other with weapons and information, planted bombs together etc killed over 1,000 civilians. The majority of these were killed just because they were Catholics.

    It was unfortunate the loss of innocent civilians but the I Ran Away boys used civilians as a human shield.

    I think the BA did did the best they could in defeating IRA - we owe them a huge debt of gratitude on this island TBH.


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    #615
    FrancieBrady
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Shinnerbot logic.

    Store explosives and bomb-making materials in a housing estate.
    House gets raided because of said explosives.
    Blame the PSNI/BA for doing their job....

    Apart from pointing out that these guys would see themselves at war with the shinners too, it must be pointed out that the British started a catastrophic war on the basis that somebody had arms and explosives of mass destruction.

    What kinda logic would you call that? The natives of the place they started a war with would call it 'terrorist' logic.


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    #616
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    It was unfortunate the loss of innocent civilians but the I Ran Away boys used civilians as a human shield.

    I think the BA did did the best they could in defeating IRA - we owe them a huge debt of gratitude on this island TBH.

    We just celebrated the IRA/IRB in huge numbers in 2016. We owe them a lot for defending us from British brutality.

    I ran away title was given to the IRA who had a mostly southern leadership in the 1960's. The PIRA emerged from here and let's be honest, without them, there would have been widespread ethnic cleansing in the north. That's not to say that everything they did was justified.

    On the other hand, the British side targetted civilians and killed over 1,000 innocents.


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    #617
    Berserker
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    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I think the BA did did the best they could in defeating IRA - we owe them a huge debt of gratitude on this island TBH.

    A massive debt of gratitude. Can you imagine how bad things would have been but for the work that they put in. The Irish authorities didn't have the resources or knowledge to deal with the IRA.


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    #618
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    Berserker wrote: »
    A massive debt of gratitude. Can you imagine how bad things would have been but for the work that they put in. The Irish authorities didn't have the resources or knowledge to deal with the IRA.

    You are ignoring the fact that the PIRA had tiny numbers until the British army started shooting innocents dead on our streets. Also, I don't think we should show any gratitude to a group responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan bombs, Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy, Kincora boys home, etc the list is endless.


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    #619
    johnsie
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭johnsie


    Ah, the generic p*ssing contest of who carried the most atrocities. Borrrrrrring. Please change the record (assuming you're so old that you probably still have a record collection). I think some of you old folks need to put down the green/orange tinted glasses. The only people who are going to actually solve "the troubles" are those who walk away from the senseless tribalism of the past. People from Lyra McKee's generation who mostly want to move on and have a normal, inclusive society. You old dinosaurs can go do one. <snip>


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    #620
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    johnsie wrote: »
    Ah, the generic p*ssing contest of who carried the most atrocities. Borrrrrrring. Please change the record (assuming you're so old that you probably still have a record collection). I think some of you old folks need to put down the green/orange tinted glasses. The only people who are going to actually solve "the troubles" are those who walk away from the senseless tribalism of the past. People from Lyra McKee's generation who mostly want to move on and have a normal, inclusive society. You old dinosaurs can go do one. <snip>

    It's important that we learn from the past so it's not repeated!


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    #621
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    johnsie wrote: »
    The only people who are going to actually solve "the troubles" are those who walk away from the senseless tribalism of the past. People from Lyra McKee's generation who mostly want to move on and have a normal, inclusive society. You old dinosaurs can go do one. <snip>
    You do know that it is believed that a teenager was the one who murdered Lyra?


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    #622
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    It was unfortunate the loss of innocent civilians but the I Ran Away boys used civilians as a human shield.

    I think the BA did did the best they could in defeating IRA - we owe them a huge debt of gratitude on this island TBH.

    Feck off with that the BA were not the best for this place. Tell me have you ever been stood in a line up when 8 by the BA for travelling home from a day out as they searched the car you were in just because they could do it? How is that right ? Having 2 woman and there kids stand still for 2 hours pointing guns at them because they can do it

    ******



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    #623
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    citytillidie wrote: »
    Feck off with that the BA were not the best for this place. Tell me have you ever been stood in a line up when 8 by the BA for travelling home from a day out as they searched the car you were in just because they could do it? How is that right ? Having 2 woman and there kids stand still for 2 hours pointing guns at them because they can do it

    While I'm sure it was very unpleasant to have to stand around for a bit (lol), the fact is, that the measures taken by the BA worked in defeating IRA.

    As a nationalist you were at far greater risk of being murdered by IRA than by the BA - that's an irrefutable fact.

    The IRA gave up their weapons and accepted they would never achieve their aims - that was a great victory for the British security forces and one you should be very grateful for.


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    #624
    Tomas81
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭Tomas81


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    While I'm sure it was very unpleasant to have to stand around for a bit (lol), the fact is, that the measures taken by the BA worked in defeating IRA.

    As a nationalist you were at far greater risk of being murdered by IRA than by the BA - that's an irrefutable fact.

    The IRA gave up their weapons and accepted they would never achieve their aims - that was a great victory for the British security forces and one you should be very grateful for.

    You believe the IRA were defeated? The documents released by the FOI act for the British cabinet says otherwise


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    #625
    Farawayhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Farawayhome


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    While I'm sure it was very unpleasant to have to stand around for a bit (lol), the fact is, that the measures taken by the BA worked in defeating IRA.

    As a nationalist you were at far greater risk of being murdered by IRA than by the BA - that's an irrefutable fact.

    The IRA gave up their weapons and accepted they would never achieve their aims - that was a great victory for the British security forces and one you should be very grateful for.

    This post proves how uneducated partitionists are on this whole topic.


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    #626
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,169 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    While I'm sure it was very unpleasant to have to stand around for a bit (lol), the fact is, that the measures taken by the BA worked in defeating IRA.

    As a nationalist you were at far greater risk of being murdered by IRA than by the BA - that's an irrefutable fact.

    The IRA gave up their weapons and accepted they would never achieve their aims - that was a great victory for the British security forces and one you should be very grateful for.

    The IRA put their own weapons beyond use after reaching a mutually agreed settlement where the British accepted the Irish right to self determination without outside impediment and said they had no strategic interest in here.

    That is why those 'who lived in fear of being killed by the IRA' :rolleyes: voted for that agreement and have rewarded those who reached that agreement with ever increasing numbers of votes since.

    Keep your head buried there, lest you confront reality.


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    #627
    citytillidie
    Registered Users Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    While I'm sure it was very unpleasant to have to stand around for a bit (lol), the fact is, that the measures taken by the BA worked in defeating IRA.

    As a nationalist you were at far greater risk of being murdered by IRA than by the BA - that's an irrefutable fact.

    The IRA gave up their weapons and accepted they would never achieve their aims - that was a great victory for the British security forces and one you should be very grateful for.

    AHH come back to me when you have experienced anything like that. Now yes grown up I could handle it. But when you're 8 and you see what you see on the news and here you have any men pointing guns at you how will you be feeling?

    ******



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    #628
    Baggly
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    Mod

    All. Please let us keep our heads in this thread and treat each other with a little respect. The discussion is a good one i want to keep going, but isnt served by hyperbole and inflammatory statements (on both sides of the discussion).

    Thanks.


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    #629
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The IRA put their own weapons beyond use after reaching a mutually agreed settlement where the British accepted the Irish right to self determination without outside impediment and said they had no strategic interest in here.
    .

    The defeated need to be given a few fig-leaves to cover their embarrassment - that's politics and it's only right and fair.

    The Brits never had a strategic interest in NI - they'd happily hand the place back if we were stupid enough to take on the costs and security headaches - luckily there's a substantial majority here that aren't that stupid.

    The so-called dissidents are even more thick than SF/IRA - at least they realised eventually they were beaten - what the current bunch or arseholes hope to achieve is beyond me.


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    #630
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,169 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The defeated need to be given a few fig-leaves to cover their embarrassment - that's politics and it's only right and fair.

    The Brits never had a strategic interest in NI - they'd happily hand the place back if we were stupid enough to take on the costs and security headaches - luckily there's a substantial majority here that aren't that stupid.

    The so-called dissidents are even more thick than SF/IRA - at least they realised eventually they were beaten - what the current bunch or arseholes hope to achieve is beyond me.

    They had a fairly well expressed strategic interest in our ports during WW2.

    Once again you show a fairly poor grasp of history.


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    #631
    Tomas81
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭Tomas81


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The defeated need to be given a few fig-leaves to cover their embarrassment - that's politics and it's only right and fair.

    The Brits never had a strategic interest in NI - they'd happily hand the place back if we were stupid enough to take on the costs and security headaches - luckily there's a substantial majority here that aren't that stupid.

    The so-called dissidents are even more thick than SF/IRA - at least they realised eventually they were beaten - what the current bunch or arseholes hope to achieve is beyond me.

    The IRA brought the Brits to a negotiations table where they said they'd never go with the IRA.

    SINN FEIN resumed negotiations and have since removed an orange state, the clause for a border poll and the repeat every 7 years after was hard fought for by republicans.

    Should you require proof the FOI act released all docs.


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