Deleted User wrote: » Difference being that the stated aims and motivations of Islamic terrorists come from Islam and hatred of Kafir. So perception =/= reality. Yet all of it has one thing in common. So why should we continue to accept it. Allowing more in, allowing more money in, allowing hate speech with some hand-wringing, dismissing valid concerns (and those proved true) is accepting it.
Deleted User wrote: » As someone posted before in another thread, if you look at the North of England Hindus are economically successful and well-integrated. They started arriving en-masse around the same time as other people from around India. Why have they integrated so much better? Did English people in the 70s really know or care much about the difference between Hidus and Muslims, or enough to treat one group badly and by implication another group really well?
seamus wrote: » So what's your answer?
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » Hindus don't view Christians and Jews as trash.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » Hindus don't view Christians and Jews as trash who need to be conquered.
Deleted User wrote: » Why do you want an answer to something you claim doesn't exist?
FTA69 wrote: » A lot of them do actually. You’re off your rocker if you think there aren’t extremist or chauvinistic Hindus. Most Muslims don’t think people of other religions are evil either for that matter.
nthclare wrote: » It's definitely the wahabbism Sunni Saudi sect who are involved in radicalisation. You don't hear of the average Sunnis Shias Suffis or Allawites behaving like the wahabbism shower. Most Sunnis just want to get on in life too, but that wahabbism is down right nuts. It takes a lot of reading and research about Islam to realise it's history, the division between the Shias and Sunnis How the Christian crusaders were responsible for a lot of violence and upheaval too... It's a broad subject...
Danzy wrote: » Nor do they listen to calls to violence, hatred, supremacy, every week at Worship
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » You guys are far too extreme the other way. I’ve talked to plenty of observant Muslims who are tolerant of all faiths (and I do ask). However there are radical mosques out there. Funded by our friends, the Saudis. US foreign policy doesn’t help either and it’s fairly clear that the increase in radicalism goes hand in hand with actions in the Middle East. I’m not saying that the US is getting a reaction from the bombing of Syria or attacks on Assad - muslim radicals want Assad gone, whet I am saying is that US foreign policy uses Islamic radicalism where it needs to overthrow anti American secular dictatorships, and the blowback is in Europe.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » That’s victim blaming. It also doesn’t really explain why it’s one particular group (generally radicalised Muslims) rather than Hindus, Chinese, Eastern Europeans, Africans, South Americans, even (in general) Turks in Germany that end up being responsible for these attacks. Nor are all the attackers poor. If western society is, however, so racist as to incite violence from immigrants from certain areas then maybe some levels of immigration control are necessary.
yoke wrote: » So I actually knew a Chinese guy who had become so unconsciously radicalised by racism he experienced here in Dublin that he was an absolute nutjob when dealing with white people in general, he wasn’t a terrorist but I can fully imagine if he ever went back to any position of power in China, he’d probably start a war or something. I also know of a Hindu guy who went to Australia for a few months, he hated it there due to the racism he experienced and went back to India. He’s now a mayor of a small town there (small town of probably only 1 million people or something), he’s gone extremely right wing from what little i’ve seen and I wonder why.
Danzy wrote: » The problem begins in mainstream mosques, I include Clonskeagh in that. US foreign policy does not help but it is a bigger issue for non Muslims than Jihadis. The head of Clonskeaghs parent fatwa council calls for Gays to be thrown off buildings, wife beating, suicide bombings against civilians and on and on. He is probably the most influential Cleric in the Sunni world.
yoke wrote: » Do you know what internment is? internment: the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Republicans had an end goal which was unacceptable to the British people. The British looked at why young northern Irish people were becoming republicans, and addressed the source of the problem (admittedly, the process isn’t complete and Northern Ireland is still not great regarding sectarianism, but better than it was). Maybe we should be looking at what is fueling the rise of young people of foreign descent in countries like France and Germany and Sweden in taking up radical Islam or similar stupid ideologies which actually mirror the ideologies of who they hate (hint: all 3 countries have major problems with racism)
Sonics2k wrote: » Here's what really get's me about this whole thing. So, so often in the cases of these shootings the culprit is known to the police. Far too often they don't make a move on the person as they're hoping to get the ringleaders or higher up members of these terrorist organisations. These killings could have been stopped had the authorities taken action sooner and locked this guy up. It's also very wrong to say "send him back where he came from", because extremely often we find out the person happens to be born and raised in the area and is not a migrant. They are often the children of happily settled migrants who have never, and would never, commit these kinds of atrocities. I have no issue with migrants or refugees who come here to work, but honestly I say string up the terrorists and to hell with their rights.
Danzy wrote: » There are so many people who are credible risks they can't monitor them all. Have the army, 600k men, all thebpokice just monitor high risk people, it will not come close to cover all of them. A British police force commander asked about the 20k high risk fanatics in Britain, replied he had that many alone in his own City. Think he was Birmingham.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » These stories seem somewhat suspect, my oh is brown and doesn't think we are racist but it's a leafy suburb and she doesn't really take public transport etc. I am not PC but this kind of thing does need dealing with.
weldoninhio wrote: » Easily monitored if you round them all into an internment camp.
Danzy wrote: » Hundreds of thousands in a camp, it would be a small city, locked up for life and a continuing influx every day. I'm not saying it is not an option. It may be an inevitably.
yoke wrote: » What drives people to join these idiots though? I do agree that religious schools like this should be shut down, the same way that we shut down organisations that openly advocate racism or spread hatred etc. I don’t see any difference here.
Sonics2k wrote: » Here's what really get's me about this whole thing. So, so often in the cases of these shootings the culprit is known to the police. Far too often they don't make a move on the person as they're hoping to get the ringleaders or higher up members of these terrorist organisations.
weldoninhio wrote: » Wouldn't have to be the one camp. One camp outside every major city. Zero tolerance policy within the camps. You don't follow the rules, solitary for a week.
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