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Gun attack at Christmas market, Strasbourg.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Is sealioning another made up word by some sap? Never heard it till this thread must have been born too early in the 1990’s


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ConnyMcDavid


    Great timing for the French government with all the protests. Guy "exchanged fire with security forces twice while escaping". He was that close to them and he still lost them. What use is a list if they can't use it or catch what''s right in front of them. Unless they don't want to.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Is sealioning another made up word by some sap? Never heard it till this thread must have been born too early in the 1990’s

    Never heard of it either tbh


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 78 ✭✭woddensanta


    One of the gangsters in that photo with macron was arrested shortly after for drug dealing, he is a virtue signalling knob.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    My money is on one of those blood thirsty Buddhists.

    You mean the ones who are commiting genocide in Myanmar? I know your post is sarcastic but your implication that Buddhists are always peace loving is not true. Sri Lanka also experienced Buddhists violence.

    There ya are so. It must have been them. End the Buddhist occupation of Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Dante7 wrote: »
    BBFAN, you are engaging in what is known as "Sealioning".


    "Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility"

    That's debatable.
    BBFAN wrote: »
    Your point is not made by quoting me without quoting the aholes I'm answering to. Shame on you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    Great timing for the French government with all the protests. Guy "exchanged fire with security forces twice while escaping". He was that close to them and he still lost them. What use is a list if they can't use it or catch what''s right in front of them. Unless they don't want to.
    This lad will strike again
    Nervous times


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭John Sacrimoni


    Never heard of it either tbh

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    Rte and newstalk doing their best to disguise his identity/religion

    they must think were thick


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Rte and newstalk doing their best to disguise his identity/religion

    they must think were thick

    Maybe they believe it will just assist politically charged posters on boards?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    begbysback wrote: »
    Maybe they believe it will just assist politically charged posters on boards?
    Say out loud
    OR OR OR OR OR like a good sealion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Say out loud
    OR OR OR OR OR like a good sealion

    So you’ve added one word to your vocabulary today which will be used to fuel your hatred, a successful day in the life of emptyhouse no doubt, hope you find contentment before it chews you up - happy Xmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Rte and newstalk doing their best to disguise his identity/religion

    they must think were thick

    Well I mean there was certain "smart" posters like yourself who started blaming muslims for that incident in essex quay dublin a few days ago so if the cap fits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    begbysback wrote: »
    So you’ve added one word to your vocabulary today which will be used to fuel your hatred, a successful day in the life of emptyhouse no doubt, hope you find contentment before it chews you up - happy Xmas

    who do i hate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well I mean there was certain "smart" posters like yourself who started blaming muslims for that incident in essex quay dublin a few days ago so if the cap fits.

    tell your psychobabble to the parents in france who afraid to send their kids to school today


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Is sealioning another made up word by some sap? Never heard it till this thread must have been born too early in the 1990’s

    Seems to be a mechanism to shut down debate.

    That picture was fairly meaningless to me too, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    emptyhouse2222: you can't throw out tons of random photos and statements with no context and claim people are 'sealioning' when they ask you what they mean. The photo of Macron, while ill-advised from a PR stance, is from a trip to meet survivors of Hurricane Irma in the Carribbean two months ago. Your other photo last night (of armed police smiling) was taken in Birmingham two years ago. What do they have to do with the horrific attack last night or the posts in this thread?

    Also RTÉ have named the suspect, said Islamic State were reportedly 'celebrating' and gone into detail about the S watchlist for radicalised Islamic extremists that he was on, so your claim that they're "doing their best to disguise it" doesn't ring true: https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/1212/1016656-strasbourg/

    I think you'll find we're all on the same side here - horrified and saddened by what happened last night - but this thread is a mess. RIP to the victims and bon courage to all in Strasbourg. Let's all hope they catch him ASAP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    It’s a terrible occurrence, and it won’t be the last unfortunately; if you have people or small groups who are determined to crash a car into people or go on a rampage it’s nearly impossible to prevent. Some people think this won’t happen in Ireland, I wouldn’t be so sure - it only takes one radicalised nutter to jump behind the wheel of a car to do damage. We’re not immune to that anymore than Spain or Sweden or anywhere else is.

    That having been said, people on this thread are making overly simplistic arguments about hordes of immigrants coming to Europe looking to kill us. The reality is that the vast majority of these attacks were committed by people born and raised here, in the UK a large amount by people who converted to Islam later in life and in most cases the majority of them weren’t even particularly religious growing up.

    Immigration per se isn’t the cause of is. Britain, France, Spain etc have had Islamic immigration for over 100 years, this latest lark of attacks is very, very new. The problem (and there is a major problem), is the radicalisation of a section of young Muslims. The agent of that is a warped Saudi-backed doctrine that is spreading via oil money all over the world and that is being tolerated and backed by our own governments in many cases. The conditions in which it grows are fuelled by alienation and a host of other factors. It’s mad, you might have an Egyptian taxi driver here who is delighted to live in the UK and worked hard all of his life and his grandson who goes to school in Hackney is becoming a radicalised maniac.

    The above opinion mightn’t be popular amongst some here, but there’s a lot more to this than ‘immigrants coming to kill us’.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    you lads will change your tune when they do a Beslan style attack
    or have ye memoryholed that already
    gettyimages-90321246_wide-06bdc89128c9ebcdf7eb1c7b76c2f2ece78a193a-s1100-c15.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    FTA69 wrote: »
    It’s a terrible occurrence, and it won’t be the last unfortunately; if you have people or small groups who are determined to crash a car into people or go on a rampage it’s nearly impossible to prevent. Some people think this won’t happen in Ireland, I wouldn’t be so sure - it only takes one radicalised nutter to jump behind the wheel of a car to do damage. We’re not immune to that anymore than Spain or Sweden or anywhere else is.

    That having been said, people on this thread are making overly simplistic arguments about hordes of immigrants coming to Europe looking to kill us. The reality is that the vast majority of these attacks were committed by people born and raised here, in the UK a large amount by people who converted to Islam later in life and in most cases the majority of them weren’t even particularly religious growing up.

    Immigration per se isn’t the cause of is. Britain, France, Spain etc have had Islamic immigration for over 100 years, this latest lark of attacks is very, very new. The problem (and there is a major problem), is the radicalisation of a section of young Muslims. The agent of that is a warped Saudi-backed doctrine that is spreading via oil money all over the world and that is being tolerated and backed by our own governments in many cases. The conditions in which it grows are fuelled by alienation and a host of other factors. It’s mad, you might have an Egyptian taxi driver here who is delighted to live in the UK and worked hard all of his life and his grandson who goes to school in Hackney is becoming a radicalised maniac.

    The above opinion mightn’t be popular amongst some here, but there’s a lot more to this than ‘immigrants coming to kill us’.

    It's definitely the wahabbism Sunni Saudi sect who are involved in radicalisation.

    You don't hear of the average Sunnis Shias Suffis or Allawites behaving like the wahabbism shower.

    Most Sunnis just want to get on in life too, but that wahabbism is down right nuts.

    It takes a lot of reading and research about Islam to realise it's history, the division between the Shias and Sunnis

    How the Christian crusaders were responsible for a lot of violence and upheaval too...

    It's a broad subject...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    who do i hate

    Because you are afraid, due to a lack of context - ingredients for extremism


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    begbysback wrote: »
    Because you are afraid, due to a lack of context - ingredients for extremism

    more marxist pscyho babble

    the people who are afraid are in Strasbourg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    FTA69 wrote: »
    It’s a terrible occurrence, and it won’t be the last unfortunately; if you have people or small groups who are determined to crash a car into people or go on a rampage it’s nearly impossible to prevent. Some people think this won’t happen in Ireland, I wouldn’t be so sure - it only takes one radicalised nutter to jump behind the wheel of a car to do damage. We’re not immune to that anymore than Spain or Sweden or anywhere else is.

    That having been said, people on this thread are making overly simplistic arguments about hordes of immigrants coming to Europe looking to kill us. The reality is that the vast majority of these attacks were committed by people born and raised here, in the UK a large amount by people who converted to Islam later in life and in most cases the majority of them weren’t even particularly religious growing up.

    Immigration per se isn’t the cause of is. Britain, France, Spain etc have had Islamic immigration for over 100 years, this latest lark of attacks is very, very new. The problem (and there is a major problem), is the radicalisation of a section of young Muslims. The agent of that is a warped Saudi-backed doctrine that is spreading via oil money all over the world and that is being tolerated and backed by our own governments in many cases. The conditions in which it grows are fuelled by alienation and a host of other factors. It’s mad, you might have an Egyptian taxi driver here who is delighted to live in the UK and worked hard all of his life and his grandson who goes to school in Hackney is becoming a radicalised maniac.

    The above opinion mightn’t be popular amongst some here, but there’s a lot more to this than ‘immigrants coming to kill us’.

    Because of the automatic refrain of Islamophobia or racism if there is any criticism from your average person in the street, it perhaps would be best if senior representatives of the vast majority of peaceful, ordinary Muslims were much more proactive in condemning and educating where we find these terrible outbursts of violence from radicalised Salafi/Wahhabi Muslims. Though it is perhaps scary or endangering for them to even speak out too loudly. These people are terrorists, they are Muslim terrorists, though they do not represent the vast majority of Muslims, just as IRA terrorism did not represent the vast majority of Republicans. There needs, however, to be no sneaking regard or ambiguity within the Islamic communities in Europe for these terrorists, no harbouring or silence, as happened here. Though of course most ordinary Islamic people would be far too scared to stand up to people who will mow down other human beings so readily.

    Terrible for the people in Strasbourg. Condolences to the bereaved. It is a lovely city which I have visited several times in the past few years as one of my family lived there. The people of the city are in shock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    I think there are a lot of people in the Islamic community who do work against this kind of stuff, a friend of mine in Luton does sterling work with anti-radicalisation amongst young people there (Luton Tigers, worth looking up) and in fairness faith leaders are forever coming out condemning this stuff. Most of this radicalisation business happens in very small, informal mosques and also online; the internet allowing this sh*t to spread and fester like never before. But yeah, standing up to this stuff within the Islamic community is 100% needed and should be encouraged without suggesting that ordinary Muslims bear responsibility for the actions of a minority of nutters.

    I think at a state level we do need to promote integration and a common civic identity, a bit like they did in Yugoslavia at one stage to be honest. I also think faith schools should be abolished, huge amounts of Islamic and Jewish schools for instance have been sh*t-shows but people seem terrified to point that out. If multiculturalism means people from different backgrounds living together and embracing positive aspects of their culture etc then I’m for it. If it means that everyone does whatever the f*ck they want all of the time then I’m opposed to it, and so should all right-thinking people.

    There is a problem of radicalisation and a hardening of attitudes across the Islamic world; we must tackle it and also analyse the various reasons why it happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    To FT ^^^^
    Agreed. I am listening at the moment to Munira Mizra, who is a very articulate part of this challenge and response.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think there are a lot of people in the Islamic community who do work against this kind of stuff, a friend of mine in Luton does sterling work with anti-radicalisation amongst young people there (Luton Tigers, worth looking up) and in fairness faith leaders are forever coming out condemning this stuff. Most of this radicalisation business happens in very small, informal mosques and also online; the internet allowing this sh*t to spread and fester like never before. But yeah, standing up to this stuff within the Islamic community is 100% needed and should be encouraged without suggesting that ordinary Muslims bear responsibility for the actions of a minority of nutters.

    I think at a state level we do need to promote integration and a common civic identity, a bit like they did in Yugoslavia at one stage to be honest. I also think faith schools should be abolished, huge amounts of Islamic and Jewish schools for instance have been sh*t-shows but people seem terrified to point that out. If multiculturalism means people from different backgrounds living together and embracing positive aspects of their culture etc then I’m for it. If it means that everyone does whatever the f*ck they want all of the time then I’m opposed to it, and so should all right-thinking people.

    There is a problem of radicalisation and a hardening of attitudes across the Islamic world; we must tackle it and also analyse the various reasons why it happens.

    We could all hold hands and sing We Are The World too. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think at a state level we do need to promote integration and a common civic identity, a bit like they did in Yugoslavia at one stage to be honest. I also think faith schools should be abolished, huge amounts of Islamic and Jewish schools for instance have been sh*t-shows but people seem terrified to point that out. If multiculturalism means people from different backgrounds living together and embracing positive aspects of their culture etc then I’m for it. If it means that everyone does whatever the f*ck they want all of the time then I’m opposed to it, and so should all right-thinking people.

    yes. The multicultural versus the melting pot approach. I think multiculturalism as a buzz word is extremely poorly defined. People spout it all the time not quite knowing what it means. It should be seriously queried and interrogated. Without people being called racists automatically, which is beyond ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    We could all hold hands and sing We Are The World too. :rolleyes:

    Great response mate, terrific points raised. I like the way you addressed all the suggestions I made and made better ones of your own - all while rebutting the central point I was making (namely that we have a problem and we have to fix it).

    Well done lad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Great response mate, terrific points raised. I like the way you addressed all the suggestions I made and made better ones of your own - all while rebutting the central point I was making (namely that we have a problem and we have to fix it).

    Well done lad.

    Firstly, intern all people currently on jihadi watch lists, along with their families. Anyone with links/plans should be dealt with, with extreme prejudice. Those that can be, deport. Those that can't be should be dealt with extra-judicially with solitary confinement, 8 foot by 4 foot cells, nothing but a light in the ceiling and a hole in the ground, basic rations, basic exercise, no visits. Human rights should be suspended for these "people" who have no problem murdering "infidels".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think there are a lot of people in the Islamic community who do work against this kind of stuff, a friend of mine in Luton does sterling work with anti-radicalisation amongst young people there (Luton Tigers, worth looking up) and in fairness faith leaders are forever coming out condemning this stuff. Most of this radicalisation business happens in very small, informal mosques and also online; the internet allowing this sh*t to spread and fester like never before. But yeah, standing up to this stuff within the Islamic community is 100% needed and should be encouraged without suggesting that ordinary Muslims bear responsibility for the actions of a minority of nutters.

    I think at a state level we do need to promote integration and a common civic identity, a bit like they did in Yugoslavia at one stage to be honest. I also think faith schools should be abolished, huge amounts of Islamic and Jewish schools for instance have been sh*t-shows but people seem terrified to point that out. If multiculturalism means people from different backgrounds living together and embracing positive aspects of their culture etc then I’m for it. If it means that everyone does whatever the f*ck they want all of the time then I’m opposed to it, and so should all right-thinking people.

    There is a problem of radicalisation and a hardening of attitudes across the Islamic world; we must tackle it and also analyse the various reasons why it happens.

    The forced veneer of Yugoslavia was revealed all so horrifically in the 90s.

    Stopping religious schools would be tantamount to stopping religious freedom and a denial of human rights. However, rigorous state inspection of how the core curriculum is taught would be time and money well spent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think there are a lot of people in the Islamic community who do work against this kind of stuff, a friend of mine in Luton does sterling work with anti-radicalisation amongst young people there (Luton Tigers, worth looking up) and in fairness faith leaders are forever coming out condemning this stuff. Most of this radicalisation business happens in very small, informal mosques and also online; the internet allowing this sh*t to spread and fester like never before. But yeah, standing up to this stuff within the Islamic community is 100% needed and should be encouraged without suggesting that ordinary Muslims bear responsibility for the actions of a minority of nutters.

    I think at a state level we do need to promote integration and a common civic identity, a bit like they did in Yugoslavia at one stage to be honest. I also think faith schools should be abolished, huge amounts of Islamic and Jewish schools for instance have been sh*t-shows but people seem terrified to point that out. If multiculturalism means people from different backgrounds living together and embracing positive aspects of their culture etc then I’m for it. If it means that everyone does whatever the f*ck they want all of the time then I’m opposed to it, and so should all right-thinking people.

    There is a problem of radicalisation and a hardening of attitudes across the Islamic world; we must tackle it and also analyse the various reasons why it happens.

    The problem with abolishing faith schools is that you'd have to get rid of christian ones too and that'd never be allowed.

    I agree with you about radicalising online. It's a problem with all groups. It's not like the right wing nutjobs all met each other at the local conservative picnic. The vast majority of nutjobs on both sides are radicalised online where it's out of sight of the moderates within their communities. They are hidden communities that aren't visible unless you go looking for them.

    There was someone who started a spreadsheet online where it lists when muslim leaders condemn attacks. I think it had about 40k entries when I read about it. There's massive condemnation on that side. However it's not really reported on. It doesn't make interesting headlines. You could have 1000 mulsims condemn something but the one nutjob who supported it will make the news because it's more outrageous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    who do i hate

    Most of the ****e people like yourself post comes from a place of self-loathing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Firstly, intern all people currently on jihadi watch lists, along with their families. Anyone with links/plans should be dealt with, with extreme prejudice. Those that can be, deport. Those that can't be should be dealt with extra-judicially with solitary confinement, 8 foot by 4 foot cells, nothing but a light in the ceiling and a hole in the ground, basic rations, basic exercise, no visits. Human rights should be suspended for these "people" who have no problem murdering "infidels".

    You want to imprison families? People who may have no knowledge of something and have done nothing at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭granturismo


    Thanks merkel

    The shooter was born in Strasbourg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Zorya wrote: »
    Because of the automatic refrain of Islamophobia or racism if there is any criticism from your average person in the street, it perhaps would be best if senior representatives of the vast majority of peaceful, ordinary Muslims were much more proactive in condemning and educating where we find these terrible outbursts of violence from radicalised Salafi/Wahhabi Muslims. Though it is perhaps scary or endangering for them to even speak out too loudly. These people are terrorists, they are Muslim terrorists, though they do not represent the vast majority of Muslims, just as IRA terrorism did not represent the vast majority of Republicans. There needs, however, to be no sneaking regard or ambiguity within the Islamic communities in Europe for these terrorists, no harbouring or silence, as happened here. Though of course most ordinary Islamic people would be far too scared to stand up to people who will mow down other human beings so readily.

    Terrible for the people in Strasbourg. Condolences to the bereaved. It is a lovely city which I have visited several times in the past few years as one of my family lived there. The people of the city are in shock.

    Here you go https://muslimscondemn.com/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    The Religion of Peace strikes again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭emptyhouse2222


    Most of the ****e people like yourself post comes from a place of self-loathing.

    ye must have a day off from clown-school today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    The shooter was born in Strasbourg

    As is often the case in these attacks. 2nd and 3rd generation scumbuckets causing havoc. People saying "send them back" are at nothing because they're from the countries that they're attacking in a lot of instances. However, pretending that they're dyed-in-the-wool proud Frenchmen is also burying your head in the sand. There's a theme with these atrocities more often than not but don't you dare say what it is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    topper75 wrote: »
    The forced veneer of Yugoslavia was revealed all so horrifically in the 90s.

    Stopping religious schools would be tantamount to stopping religious freedom and a denial of human rights. However, rigorous state inspection of how the core curriculum is taught would be time and money well spent.

    Well that argument works both ways, that when we had Yugoslavia people got on relatively grand and it was the collapse of the Eastern Bloc and the introduction of competing nationalisms that f*cked everything up. I mean it's not a perfect example by any means at all, but Balkan Muslims were a good example of how it can and should be done. I was in Albania and Montenegro in November and for the first time now in Tirana you see women walking around in niqabs etc, all directly related to radical mosques and madrasahs funded by Erdogan's Turkey. I spoke with Montenegrin Muslims who are deeply suspicious of Wahabbists now coming in and telling them they need to be wary of neighbours they've lived amongst for 500 years.

    As for religious freedoms. Lots of countries have a secular education system and no faith schools, it's in no way a breach of someone's human rights to have state schooling. Religious freedom doesn't automatically extend to being able to bring off a load of kids and fill their heads with whatever you like.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grayson wrote: »
    You want to imprison families? People who may have no knowledge of something and have done nothing at all?

    Yes, internment, until they are fully investigated and the authorities are 100% certain that they have not supported/helped their family member.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    Grayson wrote: »

    Good.

    It's not a battle, to score points. It's a conversation on something terrible that is happening in real life, with people having different perspectives. It's not a nenenenene sort of affair.

    There are silly contributions, for sure, that verge on hate speech, but it's like when you go to any protest you will be guaranteed to be mass-leafleted about irrelevant stuff from serious-looking, very angry, nervy young people pushing their magazines and a marginal political agenda, and you just put the leaflets in the bin and carry on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    You'll soon get the usual suspects harping on about how shameful this thread is as it's just an outlet for some to revel in their supposed "Islamophobia".
    BBFAN wrote: »
    Your point is not made by quoting me without quoting the aholes I'm answering to. Shame on you.

    You weren't wrong anyway Snake. I'd say I've probably got among the most level headed posts on this thread and yet shame is still cast upon me. It seems in some poster's minds that if you're not 100% with us, you're against us. Very terroristy, actually.


  • Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭yoke


    Yes, internment, until they are fully investigated and the authorities are 100% certain that they have not supported/helped their family member.

    That worked well for the British when they did it against people with links to Ireland who lived in England, didn’t it.

    I mean, they definitely caught the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7 using those techniques, it’s definitely the right response which in the past has been proven since it completely stopped the IRA in its tracks.
    Northern Ireland never had to include republicans in the peace process and address (at least some) of their underlying issues to finally gain a somewhat lasting peace.

    As some other posters talking sense here have said already, we need to find out what is radicalising young people of foreign descent in these countries and stop it - ironically what is probably needed is less racism (rather than more) where the young people of foreign descent identify as “Irish” rather than “middle eastern” or whatever as well as taking a good look at why we allow religious schools to fill young people’s heads with ****e.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    yoke wrote: »
    That worked well for the British when they did it against people with links to Ireland who lived in England, didn’t it.

    I mean, they definitely caught the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7 using those techniques, it’s definitely the right response which in the past has been proven since it completely stopped the IRA and Northern Ireland never had to include them in the peace process and address at least some of their underlying issues to finally gain a somewhat lasting peace

    They were never "interned". :confused:

    They were framed, and false evidence and forced confessions used to arrest and try them. Not sure you know what internment is.

    Edit: Also, republicans had an end goal. Something that's needed in a negotiation. These jihadi's end goal is the destruction of the infidel west.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    DS86DS wrote: »
    The Religion of Peace strikes again.

    But which part of the Muslim religion?

    This is the issue I have. Why not start identifying as Shia, Sunni or whatever other sects there are? I don’t think many outsiders know that there are different ones.

    I don’t class myself as Christian if asked, I would say catholic. If someone is a baptist, I think they’d say that. Why, if asked do Muslim say they are Muslim even though they are a certain sect?

    I think it could go a long way to narrowing down what sect is responsible for the terrorist attacks and outsiders (like me) could have a better understanding.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Omackeral wrote: »
    There's a theme with these atrocities more often than not but don't you dare say what it is...
    Right. Poverty, discrimination, isolation and poor education.

    The same reason why virtually every terrorist everywhere, including IRA members, comes from a background of being dirt poor, treated like **** by the authorities (and often society), and finding no kinship in anything except violence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    seamus wrote: »
    Right. Poverty, discrimination, isolation and poor education.

    It's all our fault isn't it. Discrimination, would you give me a break?! Violent religious zealot scumbags is what they are. I won't name the religion lest I be labelled an ******phobe

    Ah, I see the IRA comparisons are starting now too. Expected those earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Omackeral wrote: »
    You weren't wrong anyway Snake. I'd say I've probably got among the most level headed posts on this thread and yet shame is still cast upon me. It seems in some poster's minds that if you're not 100% with us, you're against us. Very terroristy, actually.

    To be fair everyone thinks what they're saying is sensible, unless they're a troll.

    And you're saying that if someone disagrees with you they're terroristy? Has anyone here attacked anyone physically? have they blown up anything? Or is that just hyperbole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭granturismo


    Omackeral wrote: »
    As is often the case in these attacks. 2nd and 3rd generation scumbuckets causing havoc. People saying "send them back" are at nothing because they're from the countries that they're attacking in a lot of instances. However, pretending that they're dyed-in-the-wool proud Frenchmen is also burying your head in the sand. There's a theme with these atrocities more often than not but don't you dare say what it is...

    I wasnt burying my head in the sand, nor trying to differentiate between the birthplace of a murderer in order to rationalise their motivation. I was simply pointing out an error in a post which seemed to suggest that the shooter was a recent arrival in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Zorya wrote: »
    Good.

    It's not a battle, to score points. It's a conversation on something terrible that is happening in real life, with people having different perspectives. It's not a nenenenene sort of affair.

    There are silly contributions, for sure, that verge on hate speech, but it's like when you go to any protest you will be guaranteed to be mass-leafleted about irrelevant stuff from serious-looking, very angry, nervy young people pushing their magazines and a marginal political agenda, and you just put the leaflets in the bin and carry on.

    There are times when I think all the people here who are virulently anti mulsim have never met a muslim. There's no-one on this thread who doesn't think that islamic terrorism is wrong. It's just the idea that because some terrorists are muslim it means that all muslims are the problem. They apply standards to mulsims that they wouldn't apply to anyone else.


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