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    #752
    Cass
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    Gardaí shoot dog and injure man due to ricochet.
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    #753
    Cass
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    Video of it - here.

    WARNING - Language and noise (its loud)
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    #754
    tac foley
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    'Rule #4 - Be sure of your target, and what might be behind it, before taking the shot...'


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    #755
    Grizzly 45
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    GONE!!

    ?type=2&theater

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    #756
    Cass
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    Not surprising, anyway i've edited the link in my post above to a new site with the same video.

    Its here, to save you scrolling back up - https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uIe2v_1543909963
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    #757
    tac foley
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    Hmmm, is that a plain-clothes Garda with a handgun? What else was going down here? There is enough 'egg on faces' with this incident to make an omelette big enough to cover Phoenix Park.


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    #758
    Grizzly 45
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    In the immortal words of Gunny Sgt Hartmann.
    " Holy Jesus! What is that? What the **** is that? WHAT IS THAT?"

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #759
    solarwinds
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    On viewing the one sided clip and only a section of it appears to have been put up, I have a few questions.
    Is it normal for plain clothes gaurds to go to incidents alone.
    It mentioned there were gaurds at the scene but he did not seem to have any back up.
    What does it say about the respect certain people have for the gaurds, when a fella still thinks its ok to have a go at a gaurd when his gun is drawn, that guy was not phased or intimidated one bit.
    While in the clip things did not go well you cant help but think things could have gone a whole lot worse had that guy managed to wrestle him to the ground.
    And on a final point I have always said it, ties are dangerous and should be banned.
    That is going to be one very expensive bullet by the time this is all done.


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    #760
    BattleCorp
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    The traveller had absolutely no fear of the armed detective (assuming he was a detective). He even tried to assault assaulted the truck driver right in front of the armed detective who had his firearm drawn. That shows the attitude that travellers have towards the Gardaí.

    I can't say what went on before the camera started rolling but I'm guessing something happened to warrant the detective taking out his firearm. They usually don't take them out and wave them around willy-nilly.

    Once the firearm was out, and the traveller (or dog if there was one) started attacking the detective, he didn't have much option but to shoot. Possibly three against one (two travellers and a dog) and he would have been in danger of having his firearm taken off him and used against him.



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    #761
    gunny123
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    Anything to do with that ethnic minority lot and its trouble. Anyone i know who ever got lapped up with them lived to regret it.


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    #762
    BattleCorp
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    That's the quietest dog I've ever not heard.

    And even better than Martin Cahill at staying out of camera shot.

    Was there a dog there at all?


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    #763
    tac foley
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    About five miles down the road from us, the local parish church, built in the 11/12C, had 90% of its lead roof 'evaporated' overnight a couple of weeks back. This was the THIRD time in six years.

    The last time it happened was a couple of weeks from Easter...but the gentlemen of the road were caught actually in the middle of their shameful work, and trapped on the roof by simply taking their ladders away.

    All we seem to do over here is to clear up the s*i*e left behind them as the move freely about the countryside.


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    #764
    BattleCorp
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    tac foley wrote: »
    About five miles down the road from us, the local parish church, built in the 11/12C, had 90% of its lead roof 'evaporated' overnight a couple of weeks back. This was the THIRD time in six years.

    The last time it happened was a couple of weeks from Easter...but the gentlemen of the road were caught actually in the middle of their shameful work, and trapped on the roof by simply taking their ladders away.

    All we seem to do over here is to clear up the s*i*e left behind them as the move freely about the countryside.


    Same here. Only worse.


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    #765
    Cass
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    Brexit. A word most people either don't care about or are sick to the teeth of listening to, and i'm the latter.

    However on SKY news today they have shown the outline of the key points of the deal and the one that stands out is that Northern Ireland will be granted a status of remaining within the EU common market place which will require a "check" of goods between Northern Ireland and main land England/UK.

    It means goods between the North and South will/should remain the same, but with goods checks between the North and UK means customs, and possible tariffs. I'm only guessing on that last part, but it leaves the door open for Scotland, Wales, etc. to seek a similar status which may lead to the breakup of the UK and while Unionists will never accept it, a step closer to a unified Ireland.

    Getting way ahead of myself, and the most likely outcome would not come close with the nearest thing being a separate country of Northern Ireland, but its a slippery slope.
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    #766
    Grizzly 45
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    If you are going to draw your firearm,it had better be in the gravest extreme of a threat to your life, and then you had better shoot to kill! End of!! This is exactly the reason "warning shots" and "shooting to wound" are absolute legal nonsensical ideas.

    We now see where his "warning shot" went. Into an uninvolved in the affray 3rd party leg. That's going to cost legally.
    There was seemingly no situational awareness of what's going on by the Gaurd[Way to close to the protagonists],or where his firearm is pointing for that matter. At that point, if you have had to draw a sidearm, your situational awareness should be needle-like and you should be on tenterhooks as you are now in fear of your life in condition black with a loaded firearm in your hands and a life or death situation on hand.

    This actually looks like an accidental discharge rather than deliberate. Someone grabs you at close quarters like that,it is a justifiable grave threat to your life as your stupid tie has now become a hangmans noose on your neck and at best that person could have expected a pistol foresight slashed across the face,a headbutt or at worst,be having a chat with St Peter a few minutes later.

    It looks to me like someone decided that he was going to enforce the law and authority by the power of his gun alone, and when that failed to work, the situation went out of hand a long time ago. Probably when he shot the dog perhaps? He even himself looks like he is in shock and not in control of the event. Compare it to a US police event. Lots of shouting, aggression and intimidation and movement from the officers in that situation. Its done for a reason, get your adrenaline going and take charge of the situation, and make no bones about it, you are not fuking about!

    A simple rule of situations like this.If you draw a gun or knife you had be better be prepared to use it all the way. Otherwise, keep it in its holster.

    Also, I'd point out in reference to the IPSC/Combat training debacle. This whole situation that this officer found himself involved in,is exactly what "Combat training" is all about in some cases. Having to deal with crowds or attacks in arm's length and using your sidearm. Anyone ever shoot an IPSC match requiring that skill??

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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    #767
    gunny123
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    United ireland ? God i hope not, we would be screwed with taxes to pay for it. And the ink would not be dry when the bombs would going off under cars all over ireland.


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    #768
    BattleCorp
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    We now see where his "warning shot" went. Into an uninvolved in the affray 3rd party leg. That's going to cost legally.

    What third party? Did it not go into the leg of the traveller pushing the door trying to get at the guy in the van?

    Did the traveller grab the Guard's tie or did a dog under control of the traveller grab the Guard's tie? Either way, firing the shot was justified.

    Reports say that one of the travellers was disarmed (a slash hook) shortly before that film clip started.


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    #769
    Grizzly 45
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    Towards the end of the clip when the screaming gorillia points the camera at someone behind them, wearing a black/white trainer.

    Does that firing look like a deliberate and thought out a situation where the gaurd knew his life was in danger,or an accidental discharge while fumbling about with the gun at waist holster height?
    He had zero control of what s happening to him,his sidearm or the situation.The moment that tinker grabbed his tie, his gun should have been resting with its barrel on your man's forehead and first pressure is taken off.No two ways about it.

    We can only speculate about what happened with the dog, and whether or not there were other weapons involved. As we can only deal with what we have in evidence in front of us.A short clip of a situation.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #770
    Grizzly 45
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    gunny123 wrote: »
    United ireland ? God i hope not, we would be screwed with taxes to pay for it. And the ink would not be dry when the bombs would going off under cars all over ireland.


    Can you imagine our shower in the Dail having to deal with a bunch of Peter Robinson types saying NO!! to everything, just for the pure Hell of it??:p

    Wonder how they would square the circle of the NI gun laws, [pretty liberal] with ours[absolute ****e!] And people having sidearms for the very genuine threat of them being targets for our, still not gone away, subversives?? And VERY unlikely to surrender them peacefully either??

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #771
    BattleCorp
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Towards the end of the clip when the screaming gorillia points the camera at someone behind them, wearing a black/white trainer.

    Does that firing look like a deliberate and thought out a situation where the gaurd knew his life was in danger,or an accidental discharge while fumbling about with the gun at waist holster height?
    He had zero control of what s happening to him,his sidearm or the situation.The moment that tinker grabbed his tie, his gun should have been resting with its barrel on your man's forehead and first pressure is taken off.No two ways about it.

    We can only speculate about what happened with the dog, and whether or not there were other weapons involved. As we can only deal with what we have in evidence in front of us.A short clip of a situation.

    I was under the impression that the guy pushing the door of the van while trying to attack yer man in the truck was the lad that got shot. Maybe I'm mistaken.

    The situation was risky for the cop but I don't think it was a negligent discharge. Listen to what he says a second or two before he fires the gun. Seemed on purpose to me.

    Plus, if there was a third person there like you say, then all the more reason for him to have his gun out.

    PS. I know fcukall about police tactics so therefore I may be talking a load of sh1te.


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    #772
    SVI40
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    On the clip I have, at 44 seconds she says he shot my husband, so to me it looks like the guy who was shot, was the one trying to get into the van.


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    #773
    Grizzly 45
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    QUOTE=BattleCorp;108806889]I was under the impression that the guy pushing the door of the van while trying to attack yer man in the truck was the lad that got shot. Maybe I'm mistaken.

    Could very well be,and that I'm mistaken too.As we dont know was Mr black&white trainers,the same fellah grabbing the Gardas tie?
    The situation was risky for the cop but I don't think it was a negligent discharge. Listen to what he says a second or two before he fires the gun. Seemed on purpose to me.

    Hard to make out who is yelling what in the video,but it went out of control the moment you man grabbed his tie.Way too dangerous to let anyone in that close to you firearms or not.
    Plus, if there was a third person there like you say, then all the more reason for him to have his gun out.

    Indeed,but if you are the guy with the gun,you have to control the situation.He should have had it up and pointed at whoever was trying to get the truck door open and yelling at him to Back off!!NOW!! Especially if there were that amount of people around. Control the situation or it will control you.They seemed to know the Garda too?So maybe this is what maybe lulled him into a false sense of security about the situation??

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #774
    gunny123
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    Its on the front of the evening paper that the guards are trying to find the body of the shot dog. Doing digs etc.


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    #775
    tac foley
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    Uh, shot dogs don't usually go anywhere to bury themselves, not that I have any real experience in that field, never having shot one myself.


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    #776
    gunny123
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    Peter Laider, well known expert on Lee Enfields, up on trial for pinching rifles from the British army.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/26/weapons-including-sniper-rifles-stolen-ministry-defence-collection/

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6430471/Retired-army-officer-stole-guns-including-50-000-sniper-rifle.html


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    #777
    tac foley
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    Allegedly is the word here. IF it is proven, then I will truly be astounded. He is one of THE late-20th century icons of modern British militaria. As ever, there are some preposterous statements from the press - ' including a £50,000 UA 86AO570 C sniper rifle.'

    The rifle noted is not American, it is a British-made Accuracy International L96AW - pretty common and sold on the civilian market as well as to many foreign militaries. The the long 'designation' is actually the maker's serial number.

    More tripe will undoubtedly follow.


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    #778
    Grizzly 45
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    Think that must be a misprint £7,500 for an SA 80???More like £7.50!

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #779
    Nekarsulm
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    Twit of a presenter on Newstalk at the moment.
    Just claimed that " thereare no guns in Ireland, except those owned by criminals and the Authorities"
    This in a pointless phone piece to an Americian re school shootings.

    He also claimed " we had lots of guns in Ireland for 30 years" and peace now they are gone.

    Shouldn't belet near a live mic untill he educates himself about the topic he pontificares upon.


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    #780
    Grizzly 45
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    Best to leave the ignorant wallow in their bliss sometimes.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    #781
    BattleCorp
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Twit of a presenter on Newstalk at the moment.
    Just claimed that " thereare no guns in Ireland, except those owned by criminals and the Authorities"
    This in a pointless phone piece to an Americian re school shootings.

    He also claimed " we had lots of guns in Ireland for 30 years" and peace now they are gone.

    Shouldn't belet near a live mic untill he educates himself about the topic he pontificares upon.


    AR47. Hahahahahaha


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