Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Funny thing is most of those in favour of the welfare bonus are usually well meaning college educated professionals who don’t know many people on welfare or don’t see these people in their daily lives. In fact they would probably cross the street to avoid these people where possible.

Funny thing is most of those that are against the welfare bonus are usually well meaning un-college educated non-professionals who only know one or two people on welfare that they don't like & generalise everyone based on there own bias.

People spend so much time giving out about a small number of people on SW that they don't like, that they don't realise its the same small group of people they are talking about. Most people on SW don't want to be on SW regardless of the payment they are receiving.

People don't choice to be employed, employers choose who they hire & as the old saying goes "its easier to get a job when you have a job".

There are many faults with the SW system including a limited options & supports available to people. The economy of low wage, temporary work & the lack of a genuine phasing for people on SW who go back to working are also factors.

But seriously, stop pretending that become you have a job that pays more (after tax & deductions) than SW that your some kind of victim. Sure people who are working on low wages also have it tough.

Many people that were on SW and went back to work are now in that category too. And of course, as I mentioned before many people on the live register are also working part-time on X's & O's.

By the sheer fact that unemployment rates are falling month to month and have been for a number of years means that more and more people are going back to work which goes against your whole argument.

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Can you disprove any of it either? I’m making relevant points based on experience. You and your cohorts are either trying to write me off as a fool or else asking for reports. You are coming back with nothing meaningful and its driving you mad.

I think you are writing yourself off as a fool by making wild and unfounded assertions based on "your experience" that is not backed up by evident or statistics.

To be honest, when I read comments from so many people doing the same thing, I have to wonder why there aren't more people on SW. I personal wouldn't like to hire someone that considers there own made up BS to be actual facts.

You better hope you never lose your job. You might find it hard to get another.

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Can you disprove any of it either? I’m making relevant points based on experience. You and your cohorts are either trying to write me off as a fool or else asking for reports. You are coming back with nothing meaningful and its driving you mad.

i would have to respectfully disagree. my view is you are making generalisations about a whole group of people, based on the actions of a small amount, some of who you perhapse have had experience of, but who do not prove anything in terms of the whole group.
i would have to respectfully disagree that your lack of any points, and your generalisations, are driving me mad. they are being debunked very easily and quickly i'm afraid.

realitykeeper wrote: »

As a society, Ireland must adapt to live within our means. If we want to pay dole recipients a Christmas bonus fine just as long as we stop collectively living beyond our means and start making serious repayments on the principle of the national debt. I would suggest at least 10 billion per year (over and above the 7 billion or so we are spending on the interest payments).

How should this be funded? If the dole is to remain untouched, capitalists would say by privatizations and spending less on things like the health service. Socialists would say tax the rich. Taxing the rich would ensure a flight of capital. Capital controls would stop inward investment so even a mass seizure of property to raise revenue by sale would only bring in a pittance as property prices plummet in countries where nobody wants to invest.

Of course, legal exemptions can be made exclusively for non residents like the vulture funds (because sometimes some of us do tend to be jealous if one of our own start to do well for themselves).

To make substantial reductions to the national debt, all state assets including the HSE will either have to be sold off or average wages must drop to a euro an hour in which case it would be difficult to pay anything for anything because the untouched dole recipients would be getting nearly three times the average industrial wage

Seriously though, I think low pay (including dole payments) coupled with the abolishment of bankruptcy laws is the way to pay off the national debt and grow the economy.

Reality : There will be no pay reductions - only increases in both public and private sector for the next few years. Unless some major external crisis happens

The HSE wont be touched-- many tried or pretended to try

Dole expenditure on 'bonus' is a red herring just like the 40 million fraud clampdown is simply not true

Remember the majority of all income tax generation here is from FDR or related

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

So is it just one neighbour they are giving out about? And you based your whole argument on that one person.

People on SW have rent and bills to pay too. Electric Ireland don't care if your on SW or not haha.

There is no doubt that you would deserve it if you've made your contributions but your whole argument is that all people receiving SW are freeloaders. So that would include you? Or are you giving yourself a special exemption ??

Jobseekers Benefit is not means tested so im sure you'd get the same as every else but if you have done something with your life and have load of money and assets you shouldn't need "handouts" as you put it.

The other thing is SW is there to help genuine people when they fall on hard times it’s meant as a temporary support not a lifestyle choice.

Your whole argument revolved around the idea that no one on SW was genuine, now your saying that there are genuine people getting SW?

How do you know who is genuine or not?

Sure you know a fella that knows a fella but that doesn't represent the vast majority.

And even that one fella you do know, how do you know he does have a genuine problem in getting work? Maybe he can't read or has a hidden disability like dyslexia or maybe he doesn't. If you are so confident in your assertions then report him/them to the DSP or guards if you have evidence of fraud.

But stop making generalisations that you can't stand over.