Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

Ashleigh1986

Anyone got a comment on this yet from that crayture ... John Connors .
" sure she was just dropping the bags out to the transit before coming back into penneys to pay boss "

Idbatterim

weldoninhio wrote: »

We’ve one of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Fxuking bonus!!! This country is a joke.

I assume it’s the most generous. It’s comedy! All the posters here defending it, I’m assuming your the people paying in virtually nothing into the system. No other country has the farcical system we do. But Regina Doherty and fg ff etc have it right. L! O! L!

November Golf

eagle eye wrote: »

The poor unfortunates need to get a job.

You know why a lot of them don't have a job? They get more on the welfare than they would if they were working.
50k is a good annual wage in this country but if you have three kids you should give it up and go on the welfare and you'll be better off.

Over half the population earn salaries of less than 30k a year (25.4k after tax if your single / 27k if married) but that doesn't factor in tax reliefs such as medical expense ect that only working people can claim.

& the flat rate social welfare 10.3k

There is no doubt that working people are struggling to get by too but given that no one pays tax on the first 16,500 euro that they earn its hard to believe anyone would opt for social welfare.

Hitman3000

Idbatterim wrote:

I assume it’s the most generous. It’s comedy! All the posters here defending it, I’m assuming your the people paying in virtually nothing into the system.!

In the absence of knowledge you should assume nothing. I pay the high rate of tax and lose roughly 23 per cent of my gross income to tax. However I'm quite happy to know there is a system there to protect my family and I should we need it. The abuse it suffers is relatively minor.

Church on Tuesday

eagle eye wrote: »

The poor unfortunates need to get a job.

You know why a lot of them don't have a job? They get more on the welfare than they would if they were working.
50k is a good annual wage in this country but if you have three kids you should give it up and go on the welfare and you'll be better off.

What if they can't find a job, or if there's no work for them? what then?

More on welfare than if they were working? really? pack in your job then so and try it for a time.

Everyone and their dog knows that if you work, you earn more money. If you want nice things in life and want to have a decent standard of living you get out and get a job.

If you can't find a job, then you sign on and try and get by on a pittance and basically have no money for anything really.

You then keep looking and doing whatever you can to improve your chances of employment.

Like the vast majority of people on the dole are doing.

Giving out a few extra bob around Christmas time for those less fortunate is the lest of this country's problems believe me.

iamwhoiam

Idbatterim wrote: »

I assume it’s the most generous. It’s comedy! All the posters here defending it, I’m assuming your the people paying in virtually nothing into the system. No other country has the farcical system we do. But Regina Doherty and fg ff etc have it right. L! O! L!

Not only do I pay tax but have paid it for 43 years . And I don't begrudge people getting a bonus . So assume nothing

Odhinn

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

What if they can't find a job, or if there's no work for them? what then?

More on welfare than if they were working? really? pack in your job then so and try it for a time.

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That hasn't been the case for many a year - the minimum wage put a stop to it, really. Certainly when I started in an office job I was earning 10 punts less than the dole, and the only reason I kept at it was the prospect of advancement and the availability of overtime.

ArtSmart

Overheard in a high-end restaurant.


"The best solution to ease the burden of the 'working poor' is for them to denounce the non-working poor as scroungers."



I can't exactly remember who said it - all I remember was the smell off his expensive brandy/ aftershave/ cigar.

weldoninhio

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

No but my comment regarding unfortunate people was not only directed at the unemployed..We all pay into social services,it's there for any citizen who needs it,so if you or I become sick, disabled or retire from work it's there for us to avail of..it's what makes us a civil caring society and I have no problem paying my share towards it.Yes we all know the lazy good for nothing's who spend their lives sponging but these are the minority and we shouldn't tar everyone on welfare with the same brush.

But if I lose my job tomorrow. I won’t get a bonus from the SW, even though I’ll prob need it more than some long term waster, so I don’t understand your point.

Church on Tuesday

Odhinn wrote: »

That hasn't been the case for many a year - the minimum wage put a stop to it, really. Certainly when I started in an office job I was earning 10 punts less than the dole, and the only reason I kept at it was the prospect of advancement and the availability of overtime.

That's the whole point of a job, the chance of advancement.

I worked a series of ****e jobs in England, where I would have been better off on the dole back home, but preferred to be working, as a result gained some valuable experience and have a fairly fully full CV, despite not getting the job I wanted in the field I wanted.

With the dole there is no advancement, only survival.

Johnnycanyon

weldoninhio wrote: »

But if I lose my job tomorrow. I won’t get a bonus from the SW, even though I’ll prob need it more than some long term waster, so I don’t understand your point.

No you obviously do not!

All Seeing Eye

ArtSmart wrote: »

Overheard in a high-end restaurant.


"The best solution to ease the burden of the 'working poor' is for them to denounce the non-working poor as scroungers."



I can't exactly remember who said it - all I remember was the smell off his expensive brandy/ aftershave/ cigar.

Sounds like an odd one considering smoking in restaurants is banned here

JustJoe7240

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Sounds like an odd one considering smoking in restaurants is banned here

Who said it was here? Countries that don't have smoking bans actually have restaurants too.

All Seeing Eye

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Who said it was here? Countries that don't have smoking bans actually have restaurants too.

Still an odd one though.

November Golf

weldoninhio wrote: »

But if I lose my job tomorrow. I won’t get a bonus from the SW, even though I’ll prob need it more than some long term waster, so I don’t understand your point.

Why would you need it more?

Working hard, paying your taxes and keeping the SW system ticking over but you don't have €198 in saving?

Hitman3000

All Seeing Eye wrote:

Sounds like an odd one considering smoking in restaurants is banned here

Still a valid analogy regardless of venue.

All Seeing Eye

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Why would you need it more?

Working hard, paying your taxes and keeping the SW system ticking over but you don't have €198 in saving?

He probably has a mortgage etc. That’s one thing all these scroungers don’t have to worry about. They can just trash a house, not pay the rent and then live in a hotel like a movie star.

road_high

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Pensioners , carers , those on disability , and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs recently also recieve the bonus . Is that ok with you ?

Genuine disability yes. But we’ve had an explosion in “disability’s” the past two decades- another scam to get on the scratcher for life in some quarters. Course it can’t be tackled with the do gooder brigade dictating the running of the country.

All Seeing Eye

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Still a valid analogy regardless of venue.

Very vague, sounds almost made up. Supposedly 2 knob ends heard by another knob end saying that in a high end restaurant.........very convenient.

weldoninhio

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Why would you need it more?

Working hard, paying your taxes and keeping the SW system ticking over but you don't have €198 in saving?

Because I’ll have had a huge drop in income. Rather than having 12 months on the same income to adjust

Temptamperu

road_high wrote: »

Genuine disability yes. But we’ve had an explosion in “disability’s” the past two decades- another scam to get on the scratcher for life in some quarters. Course it can’t be tackled with the do gooder brigade dictating the running of the country.

How do you "fake" a disability with a doctor and an examiner?

weldoninhio

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Why would you need it more?

Working hard, paying your taxes and keeping the SW system ticking over but you don't have €198 in saving?

Because I’ll have had a huge drop in income. Rather than having 12 months on the same income to adjust

November Golf

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

He probably has a mortgage etc. That’s one thing all these scroungers don’t have to worry about. They can just trash a house, not pay the rent and then live in a hotel like a movie star.

so if he lose his job in the morning and when on SW, are you suggesting he'd be the only one with a mortgage to pay?... many working people rely on social housing which of course they are required to pay rent to the local authority.

If everyone on SW could trash a house and live in a hotel, there would be more houses available & no homelessness. Nonsense point to make.

road_high

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to be unemployed for over a year to qualify for bonus same as fuel allowance.

Exactly. So the even more bizarre situation whereby the longer it is since you contributed the more you get back from taxpayers. Sheer madness, link the lot to your contributions and after that food stamps with mininal cash only.

November Golf

weldoninhio wrote: »

Because I’ll have had a huge drop in income. Rather than having 12 months on the same income to adjust

If your income was that high, you should have saving and not be scrounging off the SW.

However someone living on SW for a year which is well below the living wage, would find it very hard to save money after paying all there bills and possibly a mortgage or Car (which they would need if they have any hope of looking for work).

I would understand if you said you would equal need it, but to suggest you would need it more?? Seems OTT

road_high

Temptamperu wrote: »

How do you "fake" a disability with a doctor and an examiner?

Very easily evidently. Just look at the rise in “disability” claimants over the past decades. Are people more disabled now than they used to be? Spare me!
Higher than in peer European countries also

road_high

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Why would you need it more?

Working hard, paying your taxes and keeping the SW system ticking over but you don't have €198 in saving?

Many working people wouldn’t- so many are just about coping week to week. €200 spare cash would be a lot for a hell of a lot of workers. But for those on the dole and cheeerleading this farce it appears to be like cheap confetti

road_high

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's good to see the Christmas spirit alive and well here.

What’s that exactly? Robbing money from those that have earned to those that haven’t? I couldn’t give a flying fcuk about Christmas spirit really- it’s not life or death and is a luxury celebration.
I don’t buy into this entitlement culture and firm believer in work for rewards.

November Golf

road_high wrote: »

Exactly. So the even more bizarre situation whereby the longer it is since you contributed the more you get back from taxpayers. Sheer madness, link the lot to your contributions and after that food stamps with mininal cash only.

The reason it kicks in after one year is become of the fact they have been on low-income for a year or more. The logic would be that a person who would lose there job in the morning should, at least in theory, have some saving. The means test for new claimants on jobseekers benefit and allowance generally disregards small amounts of saving.

road_high wrote: »

Very easily evidently. Just look at the rise in “disability” claimants over the past decades. Are people more disabled now than they have see to be? Spare me!
Higher than in peer European countries also

Perhaps you haven't considered that there has been an increase in people being born with disabilities over the past 25 years. Or the fact that people out of work go onto illness benefit not disability allowance.

Church on Tuesday

road_high wrote: »

What’s that exactly? Robbing money from those that have earned to those that haven’t? I couldn’t give a flying fcuk about Christmas spirit really- it’s not life or death and is a luxury celebration.
I don’t buy into this entitlement culture and firm believer in work for rewards.

How on earth are they robbing money? are people on SW breaking into home and business premises now and heading off with the loot?

I assume you don't have kids then, but for a lot of hard pressed people - families, separated parents who have fallen on bad times, people on long time disability, the Christmas bonus could be the difference between a happy Christmas and a fairly miserable one.

I mean, you can understand the basic humanity of that, right?