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French bus driver slaps teenager for disrespect

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  • #102
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I have a vicious temper and am prone to violence which is something I've struggled with for my entire adult life and have thankfully managed to get under control for the most part in recent years...... but the thought of ever using violence against a child, or anyone vulnerable, never ever appeared on my radar.

    If you're asking me to justify causing serious harm to an adult for assaulting one of my children, or any child for that matter, I don't feel the need..... and I make no apologies for that stance neither.
    Once again , how would you discipline the boy if he was your son ? Or would you be too busy kicking the driver to death ?


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You don't know

    Again you don't know

    Now they are b*stards. Classy.

    Nah, I know alright. It doesn’t take footage preceding the slap (although I’m sure the union will present plenty in defense of the driver, just wait and see) or transcripts of witness statements and court testimony to know how things like this go. I have been one of those kids. We were right little bastards when showing off at a bus stop, nothing like the way we were in the classroom or at home.

    But fire away with the pedantry and the sensitive outrage and the cries of assault and whatever you want. The driver disciplined a kid who’s old enough to know better and dumb enough to give cheek and not apologise. I’m a believer in the concept that it takes a village to raise a child. This man did what the village wouldn’t.


  • #104
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    JayZeus wrote: »
    On paper (or the internet these days), the driver was way out of line, but that’s not real life.

    Guaranteed those lads were all showing off, darting across in front of buses on a daily basis.

    Nobody else can do anything to stop or punish them, they won’t dare. People won’t do anything. What option do they have when it’s a bunch of cocky little ****s like that?

    Discipline instilled in the family home and at school is a thing of the past.

    He’s probably put up with it for ages close to schools, trying to ignore it and and reached a point where he had to do something before a kid ends up under his bus.

    In the real world, he did everyone a favour by giving the little bastard a slap. WTF else do you suggest he should do? Give them a time-out on the naughty step? Call the police and expect the little bastards to wait?

    In the real world he'll probably lose his job and possibly face criminal charges for assaulting a minor...... if anybody will learn a lesson from this incident it'll be the ex-bus driver.


  • #105
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    I wonder how many whip lash cases the company will face after the driver jammed on?

    Would a little bump have thought the kid a valuable lesson?


  • #106
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    In the real world he'll probably lose his job and possibly face criminal charges for assaulting a minor...... if anybody will learn a lesson from this incident it'll be the ex-bus driver.

    And the child will learn nothing . What a real shame


  • #107
    EPAndlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭EPAndlee


    The bus driver was obviously just challenging the young fella to a duel


  • #108
    The Crowman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 991 ✭✭✭The Crowman


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    If he were my son he would get another clatter from me .

    If your son was acting like that then he's the one you should be clattering.


  • #109
    ForestFire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I have a vicious temper and am prone to violence which is something I've struggled with for my entire adult life and have thankfully managed to get under control for the most part in recent years...... but the thought of ever using violence against a child, or anyone vulnerable, never ever appeared on my radar.

    If you're asking me to justify causing serious harm to an adult for assaulting one of my children, or any child for that matter, I don't feel the need..... and I make no apologies for that stance neither.

    This is the same bus driver that has just saved your child's life by his quick reactions, right?


  • #110
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Meh, the average Frenchman will slap you for a lot less. A testy bunch of people.


  • #111
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    In the real world he'll probably lose his job and possibly face criminal charges for assaulting a minor...... if anybody will learn a lesson from this incident it'll be the ex-bus driver.

    I don’t see it happening. There’s an awful lot of public and union support for the driver. A suspension, a fine and a change of route is more likely.


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  • #112
    eyerer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭eyerer


    There's two sides to stories like this. Part of me thinks young people are tossers that aren't taught respect by their parents or teachers. Part of me thinks the bus driver is a dick who assaults a minor over next to nothing.


  • #113
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    nullzero wrote: »
    You're espousing a non violent approach from the bus driver whilst also saying you'd kick him to death...

    We all have to learn lessons whilst you continue on your trajectory of cognitive dissonance.

    (Guessing) the poster meant they would only dispense violence - to meet violence (by adult on a child). Which is fair and reasonable. Obvs the rest is likely an exaggeration as to the actual level of reaction.

    As the title indicates this is 'violence' as a response to 'disprect'.
    - Or more likely 'teenage bravado' under the guise of peer pressure and too many cans of energy drink.

    It's a pity this 'brave' bus driver wasn't around the other month when a lady was whacked by a bloke at a cafe, after she told him off for wolf-whistling at her. The rest of the cafe sat on their hands. Chances are he wouldn't.

    And if the driver had tried this later in the day, in a worse surburb (or city), he may not have even made it back to his bus. Wouldn't be so clever then.

    The appropriate response here would have been to simply embarass the teenager by shouting at him, beeping the horn, contacting his school (if in uniform) or uploading footage to social media if legal to do so, in that jurisdiction.

    Instead the bus driver has jusy likely whacked away his job/career in public service.


  • #114
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    The Crowman wrote: »
    If your son was acting like that then he's the one you should be clattering.

    Thats what I said ? If my son did what that lad did he would get another clatter from me .


  • #115
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    would he have preferred a slap with the bus?


  • #116
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    This is what happens when you import the third world into a first world country


  • #117
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    there appeared to be an awful lot of children in that video without manners, and some tried to provoke an even greater reaction after the slap. The school and parents need to crack down, but suspect most parents' won't care. The bus driver is wrong here but if this was my son, he would be writing an apology and a thank you to the bus driver first and I would not take it further


  • #118
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    JayZeus wrote:
    Nah, I know alright. It doesn’t take footage preceding the slap (although I’m sure the union will present plenty in defense of the driver, just wait and see) or transcripts of witness statements and court testimony to know how things like this go. I have been one of those kids. We were right little bastards when showing off at a bus stop, nothing like the way we were in the classroom or at home.


    Theres no way you know unless that bus driver is a personal friend of yours and advises you of his work experiences. Union can present what they like. The court will only ( if it gets that far) deal with the incident of assualt.


  • #119
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Mack Round Nap wrote: »
    (Guessing) the poster meant they would only dispense violence - to meet violence (by adult on a child). Which is fair and reasonable. Obvs the rest is likely an exaggeration as to the actual level of reaction.

    As the title indicates this is 'violence' as a response to 'disprect'.
    - Or more likely 'teenage bravado' under the guise of peer pressure and too many cans of energy drink.

    It's a pity this 'brave' bus driver wasn't around the other month when a lady was whacked by a bloke at a cafe, after she told him off for wolf-whistling at her. The rest of the cafe sat on their hands. Chances are he wouldn't.

    And if the driver had tried this later in the day, in a worse surburb (or city), he may not have even made it back to his bus. Wouldn't be so clever then.

    The appropriate response here would have been to simply embarass the teenager by shouting at him, beeping the horn, contacting his school (if in uniform) or uploading footage to social media if legal to do so, in that jurisdiction.

    Instead the bus driver has jusy likely whacked away his job/career in public service.

    So you are saying that the appropriate response is to give the little prick what he wants, a reaction.

    Which will embolden him to do it again and again as long as he keeps getting a reaction. Idiotic.


  • #120
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I don’t condone hitting a child or anyone for that matter. But civil disobedience is at all time high, in western countries.

    As populations grow, and cities get more crowded, kids are getting out of control. We need to have a zero tolerance approach to this. The likes of kids running in traffic and being disrespectful to all around them. Gathering in large crowds and being roundly must come to a stop.

    We need to take a leaf of Singapore and punish these kids for the smallest infraction. Of course in Singapore respect is taught at home , and at school. Something that we in the West as a society, have totally given up on.

    Too often now teachers will tell you it’s not there place to teach respect to kids, and parents don’t have the time or inclination.


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  • #121
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    This is what happens when you import the third world into a first world country

    Gobsh*te


  • #122
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    mad muffin wrote: »
    I don’t condone hitting a child or anyone for that matter. But civil disobedience is at all time high, in western countries.

    As populations grow, and cities get more crowded, kids are getting out of control. We need to have a zero tolerance approach to this. The likes of kids running in traffic and being disrespectful to all around them. Gathering in large crowds and being roundly must come to a stop.

    We need to take a leaf of Singapore and punish these kids for the smallest infraction. Of course in Singapore respect is taught at home , and at school. Something that we in the West as a society, have totally given up on.

    Too often now teachers will tell you it’s not there place to teach respect to kids, and parents don’t have the time or inclination.
    In fairness some parents don't many do and there are some great young people around me and in my wider family


  • #123
    [Deleted User]
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Theres no way you know unless that bus driver is a personal friend of yours and advises you of his work experiences. Union can present what they like. The court will only ( if it gets that far) deal with the incident of assualt.

    Cool story brah.


  • #124
    TCM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    per aspera ad astra wrote:
    You forgot to add the link to the petition!


    Well done the bus driver.


  • #125
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,973 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    If he were my son I would kick the bus driver to death.

    Sure ya would

    From my long experience behind a bar counter people who talk the most do the least


  • #126
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Gobsh*te

    I guess your a gobsh*te now for telling the truth about mass immigration. Not one person in that video is white ethnic French.


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  • #127
    topnotch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭topnotch


    He grew up fast. I thought they only baptized him a few weeks back.:p



  • #128
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    ForestFire wrote: »
    This is the same bus driver that has just saved your child's life by his quick reactions, right?

    The same "professional" driver who then went on to assault my child..... right.


  • #129
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I guess your a gobsh*te now for telling the truth about mass immigration. Not one person in that video is white ethnic French.

    This scene could have happened anywhere in the world.


  • #130
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So you are saying that the appropriate response is to give the little prick what he wants, a reaction.

    Which will embolden him to do it again and again as long as he keeps getting a reaction. Idiotic.

    Are you saying you wouldn't beep the horn at anyone causing a severe nusiance on the road. - Just ignore them and further empower them to do it again? What an idoitic concept.

    The biggest 'negative reaction' of course would be to get out of your vechile and whack them. Ah but then the only problem is the huge social media (mixed) response, impending lawsuit, and job loss. Still such a great idea?


  • #131
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    JayZeus wrote:
    Cool story brah.


    You made up the story about the drivers day to day experience, should be me complimenting you on your imagination.


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  • #132
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Stephen15 wrote:
    I guess your a gobsh*te now for telling the truth about mass immigration. Not one person in that video is white ethnic French.


    I've always found the French to being sallow skinned, but what has ethnicity got to do with a adult assualt a child? Are you suggesting it's a race crime?


  • #133
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Sure ya would

    From my long experience behind a bar counter people who talk the most do the least

    Tell you what, why don't you pop around to mine and give one of my kids a slap so we can put your little theory to the test.....


  • #134
    CountingR
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭CountingR


    There’s a lot of people on here taking the line that ‘I was hit as a child and it never did me any harm.’

    However the majority of these people are currently on an internet discussion forum, arguing that a 12 child deserved to be hit, that he should have been hit harder to make it ‘worth it’, that he was a little prick etc. etc.

    Hate to say it, but I think those couple of slaps may have done you more harm than you think! You do have a normalized view of something that would be unquestionably abhorrent to a lot of people. Publicly supporting an adult hitting a child (without even knowing the facts) seems like misplaced aggression more than anything else.

    Anyway, he will probably lose his job, and probably should be prosecuted. Yes there are some shades of grey in this, but if you accept it in this instance then where do you draw them line? If the boy hadn’t given lip would he ‘deserve’ to be hit? If he had given cheek then what amount of cheekiness would mean the driver was in the wrong. Sorry, but you can’t go shades of grey in this one - adults can’t hit children. That’s one of the good rules!


  • #135
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Tell you what, why don't you pop around to mine and give one of my kids a slap so we can put your little theory to the test.....

    You still haven't told us how you would discipline your son if he ran in front of a bus and then goaded the driver .


  • #136
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    CountingR wrote: »
    There’s a lot of people on here taking the line that ‘I was hit as a child and it never did me any harm.’

    However the majority of these people are currently on an internet discussion forum, arguing that a 12 child deserved to be hit, that he should have been hit harder to make it ‘worth it’!

    Brilliant summary. This thread has now reached it's natural conclusion. /end.


  • #137
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I guess your a gobsh*te now for telling the truth about mass immigration. Not one person in that video is white ethnic French.

    White Ethnic French.

    So if your white and born in France you French and that's it. Those kids were born in France I'd say, They are French. You are a Gobshi*e if you believe you can tell "the Truth" about mass emigration in 2 sentences but you can show yourself to be a pitiful racist who should look into your own origins and see where your linage arrived from


  • #138
    ForestFire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    The same "professional" driver who then went on to assault my child..... right.

    The same child that showed no respect and even mocked the bus drive after a traumatic event...

    You are going to beat him to DEATH for a slap?

    I'm not saying what he did was right but you need to get a bit of perspective here and see the multiple wrongs of the child also.

    Would I be happy if it was my child no. But I would let the bus drive know this, but also apologise for my sons behaviour and leave if at that.


  • #139
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I guess your a gobsh*te now for telling the truth about mass immigration. Not one person in that video is white ethnic French.


    Im surprised you haven't zoned in on the the fact the driver has a beard I think, could be a Muslim go on boy let the hate flow, ohh hold on he could be a hipster


  • #140
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    I've always found the French to being sallow skinned, but what has ethnicity got to do with a adult assualt a child? Are you suggesting it's a race crime?

    Yes that's true but everyone in this video looks they are either from North or sub Saharan Africa. Not suggesting it's a race crime at all. It just looks to me like more immigrants first, second or third generation it doesn't matter causing trouble on the continent. These migrants shouldn't be there in the first place.


  • #141
    Hoboo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Yes that's true but everyone in this video looks they are either from North or sub Saharan Africa. Not suggesting it's a race crime at all. It just looks to me like more immigrants first, second or third generation it doesn't matter causing trouble on the continent. These migrants shouldn't be there in the first place.

    If France hadn't colonised their countries they wouldn't be.


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  • #142
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    ForestFire wrote: »
    The same child that showed no respect and even mocked the bus drive after a traumatic event...

    You are going to beat him to DEATH for a slap?

    I'm not saying what he did was right but you need to get a bit of perspective here and see the multiple wrongs of the child also.

    Would I be happy if it was my child no. But I would let the bus drive know this, but also apologise for my sons behaviour and leave if at that.

    I'm with the driver right up to the point he decided, as an adult and professional driver, to exit the bus and assault a 12 year old boy...... because a child carelessly ran out into the road? Because he dared to be the "big man" in front of his friends and give the driver a bit of cheek?? That has never happened to you whilst driving??? It's happened to me several times and yes it's frustrating and yes I've let an angry shout out towards the child but then I continued on my journey thankful that I was quick enough on the brakes to avoid hitting the kid..... never ever thought about getting out of the car and swinging at the child.

    The driver should lose his job and be prosecuted...... he's not fit to continue on the road, he's a liability..... end of story.


  • #143
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    Not only should he be sacked he should be arrested for assault as well.


  • #144
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Hoboo wrote: »
    If France hadn't colonised their countries they wouldn't be.

    True but those decisions weren't made by ordinary French people who have seen their country destroyed by mass immigration. If Le Pen had of won you could be damn sure there'd be a reduction in this sort behaviour.


  • #145
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    BBFAN wrote: »
    Not only should he be sacked he should be arrested for assault as well.

    What do you think should be the boys punishment ?


  • #146
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭gw80


    Hoboo wrote: »
    If France hadn't colonised their countries they wouldn't be.

    Well that's not strictly true, is it, Ireland didn't colonise anywhere in sub Saharan Africa, but we have immigrants from that part of the world.


  • #147
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    What do you think should be the boys punishment ?

    He should have his phone removed for a week, much worse punishment for a teenage boy than a slap anyway.


  • #148
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    BBFAN wrote: »
    He should have his phone removed for a week, much worse punishment for a teenage boy than a slap anyway.

    Personally I would also make him
    apologise to the driver and passengers of the bus


  • #149
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Personally I would also make him
    apologise to the driver and passengers of the bus

    What's that got to do with someone deciding to assault him?


  • #150
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,162 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    BBFAN wrote: »
    What's that got to do with someone deciding to assault him?

    Pardon ? I don't understand your question


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  • #151
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Pardon ? I don't understand your question

    You're now listing off the ways in which the child should be punished. What's that got to do with an assault.

    Simple question.


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