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Sports Coalition boycotts FCP

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    dto001 wrote: »
    All shooting/fishing/Hunting sports should be promoted in a good way that anti from limerick seems to get an awful lot of air time and there is never any proper rebuttal I think i heard one fella once saying that all foxes should be killed as they are vermin which does not help at all.

    The fact the anti's get air time is not an accident. Neither is the fact anytime anything to do with hunting or shooting is on pravda (rte) the government propaganda channel, we get whitewashed. A fairly recent so called primetime on gun ownership was a one sided joke.

    The papers are the same, but who buys them anymore ? Buy the Irish Times to listen to the waffle from the d4/university lecturer bubble, or, gawd help us, Fintan the tool ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭cavan shooter


    berettaman wrote: »
    That is the nub of it. The Sports Coalition of vested interests is a shadow of what it was intended to be, and the smart ones pulling the strings have already started to get their feet under the table elsewhere.


    NASRPC and Fissta need to have a look at themselves in my opinion. If you let them, SCOVI, use your logo you are giving them credence. It is as simple as that.


    I have outrage fatigue.


    Reading the Journal the ICABS are "outraged" that Duffy is running for present. As a citizen of the republic over the age of 35 he has every right to run.

    Imagine if, say, Irish council against hurling made a statement that it was outraged that Henry Shefflin was running for President.


    To me it is as simple as that. If you do not understand something then why are you against it. I am sick to the back teeth of people with blue hair and piercings telling me that hunting is not natural.:mad:


    10,000 years ago Tesco didn't deliver..rant over.

    The problem is Berettaman too many people get outraged these days over the wrong things. They take it personal, they wont ever sit down and logically debate weigh up both sides of the argument and maybe agree to disagree over the topic or direction of the argument. It has to be all or nothing, there is no compromise anymore. Its very childish, rash and damaging to your approach or organisation as you can be labelled a nut case or worse. These people just want everyone to see there side of the story and wow betide anyone who disagrees. Unfortunately that approach is contagious.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    While we have a terrible record with petitions we need to act now to start reducing/eliminating the influence of the so called coalition.

    Petitions among clubs, ranges and online. Then a letter writing campaign sent in by each person to signify numbers. Also letters from various groups, associations, and organisations to the same effect otherwise its just people being annoyed. That will be the biggest hurdle. Getting a group/body with the stones to actual stand up and say we've had enough and put their name to it, but unfortunately the Irish have a habit of shriveling up and withering away when it comes to actual importance stuff and putting their name to it. They sooner just mumble and moan.

    However if they won't do then the members can make them do it. That or replace them and get ti done.

    Its not alarmist to say if we don't act soon we'll find ourselves struggling to license a 22lr because the SCOVI have said we don't really need them.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,112 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Maybe a list of politicians who support us should be made available and all groups should start promoting the various sports because the biggest advertisement we have is not running this year (the Game fair) and in fairness to the NARGC they seem to be pushing clay shoots on their pages I'm not sure what the other groups are doing and its a start.[/QUOT

    There is a pic going about FB with a man and a woman sitting in a restaurant on a 1st date.T he man says "Hello I'm an honest politician. The girl says "Hello I'm a 21 yr old prostitute and a virgin!":P
    In credit to the ladies of the night,at least they are doing it for money and will do whatever they are being paid for and make no bones about the money side of it. A politician OTOH will say they will do it if there is a big enough vote in it, still, screw you, and then dress it up in some sort of morality or excuse and tell you they didn't or cant do it because...

    I wouldn't expect our lot to help us out here with anything unless it is the election year, and TBH I really think we dodged a bullet in 2013 with the last general election with the Dail public enquiry as well.
    We are on our own on a lot of this. As for PR, every single one of us should be trying to win hearts and minds to get at least one person into the shooting community every year. That alone would be a superb achievement.NASRPC women on target is a fantastic programme. Why don't we have one for kids?That's where our future shooters are going to be.

    So they should start to promote the sport and show that we are not criminals we are law-abiding citizens who enjoy a sport and actually look after the countryside (there are always bad apples in every sport) 

    Good point in theory, but in practice...Has any gun club or game shoot for example gone and laid a line of gone wild whitethorn hedge along a farmers road frontage that they have had a shoot for years? For free? Laid hedges are actually one of the best eco corridors and covers for all sort of wild animals and birds.It's also less damaging than using a machine. Not to mind, it looks more appealing. Stick a sign on the end saying" Hedge laid by XYX gun club to improve nature and biodiversity". a happy farmer with a free stock proof fence, happier nature, and good PR for the gun club.

    Trouble is this is WORK and we all know the 3% rule applies in any Irish organisation. And of course, this won't appeal to the "Nov 1st/Jan 31st" members" either. Were you on a shooting let on the continent, this sort of work would actually be considered a matter of course in keeping a good relationship with the local farmers, who do take an interest in who they have shooting in their areas.
    If we say we are looking after the countryside, we had better start acting like we do and not just give it lip service.:(

    .
    And wasn't it a couple of hunters who stopped that fella with the girl in the boot of his car in Wicklow, if hunting was banned then there would be a different outcome to that case.
    Happened in Cratloe Co Clare as well.But look at the grilling both good Samaritans got, because they were out shooting. It was almost implied they were the bad guys. Yes, we are a potential asset,but what good is it, if the local AG is a city boy on his first promotion outside suburbia where he grew up in and has a head full of modern policing methods and such concepts are as alien to him as hieroglyphics from Atlantis to the rest of us?:(
    l shooting/fishing/Hunting sports should be promoted in a good way that anti from limerick seems to get an awful lot of airtime and there is never any proper rebuttal I think i heard one fella once saying that all foxes should be killed as they are vermin which does not help at all.

    John "Streaker" Carmody of ARAN fame...Yeah, ARAN is defunct and John and his bevvy of beauties has decamped[not referring to his sexual orientation there] to pastures or causes new. So if this is such a thing, how does an anti org with media coverage fold up? Guess they learned another thing, it costs money to keep campaigns going.
    The only reason he got media coverage is that he was doing photo op stunts that got media attention and somewhat "risque".Having good looking girls getting their kit off in Cruises st to protest fur is good space filler, except it became a cliche as it has been done a few thousand times before.

    Become known enough, and you can become the first media port of call for a comment on your particular subject. On our side, it would have been "you know who can't be mentioned here", and who is our new spokesman/woman who the Irish media will be picking up the phone to talk to if there is an event?? This should be a 1st priority job for anyone who is handling PR /Media in an organisation. Build media contacts so they have a channel for their side of the story.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Backbarrel


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Anyhoo.
    Following all of this ...what IS the current status with who or whom is sitting on the FCP? What has happened to this proposed Firearms something, Arbitration Authority? and what is being currently discussed or what sort of problems could be discussed?

    I think this is a good question. Back from holiday and SCOVI are still a thing.

    Minister knew he was dealing with sock puppets of you know who.

    Surprised the firearm dealers did not have a tell all comprehensive Press release ready to nail the feckers.

    I am up for a petition but we need something with more impact.
    An open letter to Minister for Justice signed by all normal shooting Associations?
    By normal I mean those with (more than a handful) actual members!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭wirehairmax


    It’s been too quiet and now this: http://www.sportscoalition.org/fcp-revised-structure-181018/

    WTF now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Wexshot1


    It’s been too quiet and now this: http://www.sportscoalition.org/fcp-revised-structure-181018/

    WTF now?

    Looks like the Coalition have been booted to only being part of the pistol and target part of the FCP

    Good to see the Firearms Dealers finally being recognised and getting a seat at the table.
    Lots more work to do though to stamp out those boys once and for all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭wirehairmax


    How in the name of god were they let back in? Does it mean the target and rifle boys are stuck with them and they’re going to stay the hell out of hunting matters? Don’t know whether to feel sorry for them or not, after all if you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 Wexshot1


    How in the name of god were they let back in? Does it mean the target and rifle boys are stuck with them and they’re going to stay the hell out of hunting matters? Don’t know whether to feel sorry for them or not, after all if you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas

    Political buddy’s are a great help to some of these guys.
    One in particular was seen in the Fine Gael tent at the ploughing match this year prancing around as if he owned the place.
    Corrupt Ireland !!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    More importantly, this is the FCP being made permanent. That part's good news. The SC part... well, that can be fixed. The FCP - and thus consultation with shooters, rather than dictating to them from on high - becoming the norm rather than an exception, that's far, far more important.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭gunny123


    Wexshot1 wrote: »
    How in the name of god were they let back in? Does it mean the target and rifle boys are stuck with them and they’re going to stay the hell out of hunting matters? Don’t know whether to feel sorry for them or not, after all if you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas

    Political buddy’s are a great help to some of these guys.
    One in particular was seen in the Fine Gael tent at the ploughing match this year prancing around as if he owned the place.
    Corrupt Ireland !!!

    Enough to make your blood boil, but thats ireland for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,237 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    And another is still a FG counciller, and an ex member of the force.


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