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Gang Rape in Kildare

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  • #272
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Yes it has.

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=clane&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=tmivn&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB5ciSmtbbAhVMFMAKHQdVAY8Q_AUIFSgF&biw=592&bih=280

    ....none of that refers to what was being stated here, which is what I was asking about.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107269950&postcount=269


  • #273
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Odhinn wrote: »
    I don't get it.

    Sorry wrong link, that was from liveline thread.

    Just Google clane and click news.


  • #274
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Sorry wrong link, that was from liveline thread.

    Just Google clane and click news.


    We're disappointed that when you copied and pasted the link from the wrong window, you didn't accidentally copy and paste some dodgy porn


  • #275
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Sorry wrong link, that was from liveline thread.

    Just Google clane and click news.

    I did, along with "clane rape" and there is - as far as I can see - any reference to the woman having made it up, as implied here
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107269950&postcount=269


  • #276
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    Sorry wrong link, that was from liveline thread.

    Just Google clane and click news.




    So someone in Clane imagined three attackers into existence and they went on to attack someone else in Carlow?


    Do you know who this magical person is? I'd like to get them to imagine a few supermodels into existence into me leaba


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  • #277
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    I'll stay out of this thread.
    I didn't read the post right.


  • #278
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,120 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Just an observation: if we were to limit the reporting to the attackers were "men" there would be no issues with drawing conclusions about toxic masculinity, rape culture, men's violence against women and extrapolating a rapists behaviour to draw conclusions about men in general.

    But if you refer to the attackers as "foreign national men", everyone loses their mind.


  • #279
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


      Sand wrote: »
      Just an observation: if we were to limit the reporting to the attackers were "men" there would be no issues with drawing conclusions about toxic masculinity, rape culture, men's violence against women and extrapolating a rapists behaviour to draw conclusions about men in general.

      But if you refer to the attackers as "foreign national men", everyone loses their mind.

      What have those too things got to do with one another?


    • #280
      Tea drinker
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


      Sand wrote: »
      Just an observation: if we were to limit the reporting to the attackers were "men" there would be no issues with drawing conclusions about toxic masculinity, rape culture, men's violence against women and extrapolating a rapists behaviour to draw conclusions about men in general.

      But if you refer to the attackers as "foreign national men", everyone loses their mind.

      To be fair, you could go anywhere in the world and men would lose their mind in the same way re foreign national men raping local women.
      I think rape (with no regard to nationality) causes a very strong reaction in men and women frankly want the death penalty for it.

      Keeping mum about foreign rapists will only lead to more racism. Get it out in the open, get the descriptions out, get them convicted and deported.
      Justice served and we can all move on.


    • #281
      Sand
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,120 ✭✭✭✭Sand


      Tea drinker wrote: »
      To be fair, you could go anywhere in the world and men would lose their mind in the same way re foreign national men raping local women.
      I think rape (with no regard to nationality) causes a very strong reaction in men and women frankly want the death penalty for it.

      Keeping mum about foreign rapists will only lead to more racism. Get it out in the open, get the descriptions out, get them convicted and deported.
      Justice served and we can all move on.

      When I compare the reactions, I mean its acceptable and progressive to generalise about "men" but its unacceptable and terrible to generalise about "foreign national men". A lot of the posters furiously objecting to the latter would happily engage in the former.


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    • #282
      JohnMc1
      Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


      Apparently one happened last week in Bagenalstown,Carlow last week. Gardai are investigating if its connected to the Kildare one.

      https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-investigating-second-alleged-sexual-attack-on-young-woman-by-three-men-37009792.html


    • #283
      Dr Brown
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


      It seems the rape was carried out by Non-Nationals that's why the media is playing it down.

      If it was Irish lads that did it we would have 24/7 news coverage.


    • #284
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      Dr Brown wrote: »
      It seems the rape was carried out by Non-Nationals that's why the media is playing it down.

      If it was Irish lads that did it we would have 24/7 news coverage.


      Total nonsense. How many rapes with multiple offenders have you seen reported this year?


    • #285
      Dr Brown
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      Total nonsense. How many rapes with multiple offenders have you seen reported this year?


      Gang rape is not common in Ireland.


    • #286
      SnakePlissken
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      This is completely false. 75% of gang rapes are not committed from among 3% of the population and there is no legitimate source that claims that.

      https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs
      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      Also, Asians make up 8%, not 3%.


      FFS, is it too much to ask that you make an attempt at some research before trying to pass such easily dismissed contrivances as fact, might I suggest you start by actually reading your own link which states;

      “Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.”

      Naz Shah MP, 12 August 2017

      Yes, almost 90% of all sexual assaults are committed in the UK by white males, this, and your mathematical skills might be as poor as your ability to research, is exactly what I stated when I said that 12% of convicted abusers are Muslim.

      Now, lets move onto your second disingenuous and misleading statement. Yes 8% of the UK populace identifies as Asian, but try and stay with me here, but not all Asians are Muslim, according to the most recent census, 5% of the UK population are Muslim, but, and again, try and keep up, this includes Women and Children, so my statement that 3% of the UK population are Muslim men is proveably true and as accurate as one can be using the census;

      Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).


      https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/324097/number-males-rape-muslim.doc&ved=2ahUKEwiVk4yBytbbAhWODnwKHWNnBN8QFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2DhSwN4InP5NCUxhlI6wk4

      TLDR, 12% of all sexual assault convictions, and 75% of all grooming gangs are composed from a pool of just 3% of the population, ie, Muslim men but Captain Obvious doesn't believe this warrants any adult discourse.

      I do wonder, did those who thanked your misleading post make any attempt to do their own research, or did they simply take your falsehoods as gospil because it supports their woefully ignorant, ill informed, and disingenuous narrative.


    • #287
      Captain Obvious
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      SnakePlissken wrote: »
      https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs




      FFS, is it too much to ask that you make an attempt at some research before trying to pass such easily dismissed contrivances as fact, might I suggest you start by actually reading your own link which states;

      “Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.”

      Naz Shah MP, 12 August 2017

      Yes, almost 90% of all sexual assaults are committed in the UK by white males, this, and your mathematical skills might be as poor as your ability to research, is exactly what I stated when I said that 12% of convicted abusers are Muslim.

      Now, lets move onto your second disingenuous and misleading statement. Yes 8% of the UK populace identifies as Asian, but try and stay with me here, but not all Asians are Muslim, according to the most recent census, 5% of the UK population are Muslim, but, and again, try and keep up, this includes Women and Children, so my statement that 3% of the UK population are Muslim men is proveably true and as accurate as one can be using the census;

      Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).

      TLDR, 12% of all sexual assault convictions, and 75% of all grooming gangs are composed from a pool of just 3% of the population, ie, Muslim men but Captain Obvious doesn't believe this warrants any adult discourse.



      https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

      FFS, is it too much to ask that you make an attempt at some research before posting such easily dismissed contrivances as fact, might I suggest you start by actually reading your own link which states;

      “Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.”

      Naz Shah MP, 12 August 2017

      Yes, almost 90% of all sexual assaults are committed by white males, this, and your mathematical skills might be as poor as your ability to research, is exactly what I stated when I said that 12% of convicted abusers are Muslim.

      Now, lets move onto your second disingenuous and misleading statement, yes 8% of the UK populace identifies as Asian, but try and stay with me here, but not all Asians are Muslim, according to the most recent census, 5% of the UK population are Muslim, but, and again, try and keep up, this includes Women and Children, so my statement that 3% of the UK population are Muslim men is proveably true,

      Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).

      TLDR, 12% of all sexual assault convictions, and 75% of all grooming gangs are composed from a pool of 3% of the population, ie, Muslim men but Captain Obvious doesn't believe this warrants any adult discourse.


      But you didn't just say 75% of grooming gangs, you said "75% of all gang rapes and grooming gangs" and the first part is both unsupported and nonsense. It's your own little addition to the facts. Your source says nothing about the religion of the religion of the perpetrators, that's also your addition. And while 75% of the crimes may be committed by Asian men, your link demonstrates that this is a bit misleading because 17 men were charged with over 100 crimes. So while the number of crimes committed is high, the number of people doing it is quite low in comparison.


    • #288
      SnakePlissken
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      But you didn't just say 75% of grooming gangs, you said "75% of all gang rapes and grooming gangs" and the first part is both unsupported and nonsense. It's your own little addition to the facts. Your source says nothing about the religion of the religion of the perpetrators, that's also your addition. And while 75% of the crimes may be committed by Asian men, your link demonstrates that this is a bit misleading because 17 men were charged with over 100 crimes. So while the number of crimes committed is high, the number of people doing it is quite low in comparison.

      Fact check, which I have linked to twice states;

      75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian.

      Stop being so bloody obtuse, you asked for stats, I gave you stats, from a CEOP study no less but because those statistics contradict your deeply entrenched viewpoint you wish to argue with proveable facts... your agenda is obvious, I posted my statistics, you want to disprove them? Post your own... not that you'll be able to without mining the most disreputable and biased depths of the internet.


    • #289
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      SnakePlissken wrote: »
      Fact check, which I have linked to twice states;

      75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian.

      Stop being so bloody obtuse, you asked for stats, I gave you stats, from a CEOP study no less but because those statistics contradict your deeply entrenched viewpoint you wish to argue with proveable facts... your agenda is obvious, I posted my statistics, you want to disprove them? Post your own... not that you'll be able to without mining the most disreputable and biased depths of the internet.


      You're giving statistics and then adding your own pieces to them. You can't even admit when you are obviously wrong. Like when you said 75% of gang rapes are committed by 3% of the population. That's complete nonsense. You know it is. You could have just said it was a mistake and you worded I badly. But instead you double down on it. You are being completely dishonest with your "facts".


    • #290
      Stonehall9
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      Dr Brown wrote: »
      It seems the rape was carried out by Non-Nationals that's why the media is playing it down.

      If it was Irish lads that did it we would have 24/7 news coverage.

      Very true doctor brown and once brexit comes into force our country will be inundated with this type of culture, who for them rape is a common thing that they regularly do in their own backward countries , be it their unfortunate wife's or some innocent young girl, these men don't show any remorse , god help our country when you see what's happening in England


    • #291
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      Dr Brown wrote: »
      Gang rape is not common in Ireland.


      No, gang rape is not commonly reported in the media in Ireland.


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    • #292
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      Stonehall9 wrote: »
      Very true doctor brown and once brexit comes into force our country will be inundated with this type of culture, who for them rape is a common thing that they regularly do in their own backward countries , be it their unfortunate wife's or some innocent young girl, these men don't show any remorse , god help our country when you see what's happening in England


      What has Brexit got to do with anything?


    • #293
      SnakePlissken
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      Like when you said 75% of gang rapes are committed by 3% of the population.

      These are the statistics you're attempting to discredit;

      75% of all grooming gangs are Muslim adult males. Fact.

      https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs


      3% of the UK populace are Muslim adult males. Fact.


      Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).

      What have you got to say about the above two facts?


    • #294
      The_Kew_Tour
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      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      No, gang rape is not commonly reported in the media in Ireland.

      Have you got stats for that?

      EVENFLOW



    • #295
      Will I Am Not
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


      The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
      Have you got stats for that?

      It’s a nonsense claim.


    • #296
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      SnakePlissken wrote: »
      These are the statistics you're attempting to discredit;

      75% of all grooming gangs are Muslim adult males. Fact.

      3% of the UK populace are Muslim adult males. Fact.

      What have you got to say about the above two facts?


      They aren't the stats I disputed. What I am disputing is your claim that 75% of gang rapes are committed by a pool of 3% of people.


    • #297
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
      Have you got stats for that?


      No they don't differentiate between incidents with multiple suspects and lone suspects in crime stats.


    • #298
      SnakePlissken
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      No, gang rape is not commonly reported in the media in Ireland.

      Are you attempting to claim gang rape IS common in Ireland but under reported?

      If so, I'm sure you have some sources you can reference lest we believe you're talking ****e.


    • #299
      The_Kew_Tour
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,070 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      No they don't differentiate between incidents with multiple suspects and lone suspects in crime stats.

      Not trying put you on spot I'm just interested to see if your point had any back up.

      It's hard tell if it does not get reported or not though can't even tell difference

      EVENFLOW



    • #300
      SnakePlissken
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


      Captain Obvious wrote: »
      They aren't the stats I disputed..

      And yet you don't appear to want to discuss these facts, why is that?

      Do you not believe a discussion is warrented when 75% of grooming is perpetrated by 3% of the populace?


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    • #301
      Captain Obvious
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


      SnakePlissken wrote: »
      Are you attempting to claim gang rape IS common in Ireland but under reported?

      If so, I'm sure you have some sources you can reference lest we believe you're talking ****e.


      I'm saying it's much more common than is reported.

      The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
      Not trying put you on spot I'm just interested to see if your point had any back up.

      It's hard tell if it does not get reported or not though can't even tell difference


      If you search for news reports of gang rapes in Ireland you'll find very few each year. I guess you just have to decide for yourself if you think there's only a few each year.


      SnakePlissken wrote: »
      And yet you don't appear to want to discuss these facts, why is that?

      Do you not believe a discussion is warrented when 75% of grooming is perpetrated by 3% of the populace?


      Keep dodging it all you want. You made a claim 75% of gang rapes are committed by 3% of the UK population. Do you stand by that?


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