Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Brae100 · 24-05-2018 10:50PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

That'll be a No vote I'd say.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-05-2018 11:00PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

I'm loath to reply to an obvious troll, but I'll make an exception this one time.

Most people here will know, or guessed my background ~ in saying that, I'd have squeezed the trigger on a kunt like that and never have thought I had done a bad thing.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

24-05-2018 11:54PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Jeez, I'm glad my memory doesn't work like that! When I go out into nature, I do it often as a way to get away from stuff, and to appreciate it's beauty. As an avid reader of history, I'd go nowhere, given all the crap that ppl have done all over the place for centuries.

I know every patch of earth has been stained by misdoings, but it’s the stuff I’ve grown up from childhood with, into early adulthood, my very living memories. Like, I’d have been sitting in the back of the car as a kid on the way to Bray, and mother might say, “dreadfully sad for that lady” (Crinken) and I’d ask why, and my parents always told me facts, so I knew. As I say, beautiful as they are, the places briefly stroke a sad note in my heart knowing their associations with what happened in my lifetime. It simply serves to inform me how many millionfold the families directly affected are reminded by memories of the place, eg Jastine’s Parents will not be able to think of beautiful Enniskerry without thinking of the last moments of their beautiful daughter.

25-05-2018 12:02AM

kingofclay wrote: »

That is just a horrible thought. One extra traffic light, one car making a turn and stopping her bus going through momentarily. It's so sad. I wonder what took him out all the way to Enniskerry.

Enniskerry is only 5 minutes from Bray by car, a route frequented by Bray dwellers in pursuit of scenic hill walks, the Powerscourt shops, cafe, garden centre etc.

25-05-2018 12:08AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Without the note I fear Jastine would not have been found . Thankfully her family at least have her body and can grieve

I’d say, with gps technology in the car, together with sniffer dogs, she would have been found...eventually. A small mercy is that Jasmine’s remains would have been returned to the undertakers after forensics, in relatively ok condition which might have been some comfort to her parents, eg compared to the hirrrndous case if Karen Buckley who suffered a similar fate.

TomOnBoard · 25-05-2018 12:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Enniskerry is only 5 minutes from Bray by car, a route frequented by Bray dwellers in pursuit of scenic hill walks, the Powerscourt shops, cafe, garden centre etc.

Yeah, but he wasn't in Bray. He left a cat park in Ballybrack around 5:45. Whats that from Eniskerry? 15-20 minutes on a Saturday evening?

Strazdas · 25-05-2018 12:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d say, with gps technology in the car, together with sniffer dogs, she would have been found...eventually. A small mercy is that Jasmine’s remains would have been returned to the undertakers after forensics, in relatively ok condition which might have been some comfort to her parents, eg compared to the hirrrndous case if Karen Buckley who suffered a similar fate.

One of the contributors on the Ivan Yates show on TV3 this evening made the point that it was fortunate that someone witnessed the abduction and set off a massive Garda investigation which led to the murderer being identified and cornered very quickly. We could just as easily be talking about poor Jastine still being missing (perhaps never to be found) and that scumbag at large.

At least her family have the chance to grieve for her and give her a funeral.

DubInTheWest · 25-05-2018 01:07AM

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

Suckit · 25-05-2018 01:15AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

I think his marriage was in trouble, he seems to have had a few different jobs, so maybe nothing stable.

DubInTheWest · 25-05-2018 01:33AM

Suckit wrote: »

I think his marriage was in trouble, he seems to have had a few different jobs, so maybe nothing stable.

2 kids and nothing stable... ? The age of the cnut. Needed to cut out the charlie and lay off the drink a bit and maybe things would have been a bit better. I'm not sure if this was random as I've read multiple sources and some are contradicting but I what I will say is, I've dabbled in psychology and if this was random, I'd bet my bottom dollar this wasn't his first offence at this type of thing.

orangerhyme · 25-05-2018 04:32AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

Larry Murphy and John Crerar both were married with kids and committed very similar crimes in the same area.

orangerhyme · 25-05-2018 04:35AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

2 kids and nothing stable... ? The age of the cnut. Needed to cut out the charlie and lay off the drink a bit and maybe things would have been a bit better. I'm not sure if this was random as I've read multiple sources and some are contradicting but I what I will say is, I've dabbled in psychology and if this was random, I'd bet my bottom dollar this wasn't his first offence at this type of thing.

It's difficult to know. One criminologist said that due to the lack of planning, broad daylight, busy road, witnessed etc suggests it was a first time offence.
I'm not sure if it was sexually motivated either.
On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if things from his past are dragged up, a propensity for violence against women

juno10353 · 25-05-2018 05:36AM

I think that as there seems to be no previous connection and that Jastine was snatched randomly, that the assailant thought she was younger. She was small and petite. Has there been cases in area of attempted child or teen abductions?

Mantis Toboggan · 25-05-2018 07:37AM

Was jasmine sexually assaulted?

McCrack · 25-05-2018 07:40AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Doesn't the judge have the authority to set how long must be served before parole can be considered, though?

No not in Ireland

Drumorig · 25-05-2018 10:28AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah, but he wasn't in Bray. He left a cat park in Ballybrack around 5:45. Whats that from Eniskerry? 15-20 minutes on a Saturday evening?

10 mins max, there's a road up behind the silver Tassie that's brings you up past the leadmines and onto enniskerry.

Grayson · 25-05-2018 11:02AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

We are living in one of the safest countries, at one of the safest times in history. And in general it's getting better. Sure some years it goes up a bit but over the last century it's been steadily trending downwards.

that doesn't mean that horrible things don't happen. Unfortunately they do. This last week has shown that they do. But nevertheless the chances of something bad happening to a person are still lower than at any point in human history.

As humans though, we're not designed for a safe environment. We fear the unknown. We hear a rustle in a bush and jump. So fear is an understandable reaction to this.

BattleCorp · 25-05-2018 11:27AM

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

You know what, we've had a bad week with two terrible incidents but it's not like this is the norm for Ireland. It's a pretty safe place to live. People are going over the top with how bad things have gotten.

RasTa · 25-05-2018 11:39AM

Brae100 wrote: »

That'll be a No vote I'd say.

lol, you wish. Same people whom are glad this cop executed this man are all no voters with their reasoning

upandcumming · 25-05-2018 11:48AM

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

BattleCorp · 25-05-2018 11:56AM

upandcumming wrote: »

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

Would you prefer that your tax was spent to look after this guy for the next 15 or so years (because that's about all he'd serve, if even) and then for him to be released back into society to possibly do something similar again?

Would you be happy if he was released into a house beside where you live?

Nah, I for one am happy that there is zero chance of him reoffending again. But I do agree with you about the detective who shot him. I do feel sorry for him.

upandcumming · 25-05-2018 12:13PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Would you prefer that your tax was spent to look after this guy for the next 15 or so years (because that's about all he'd serve, if even) and then for him to be released back into society to possibly do something similar again?

Would you be happy if he was released into a house beside where you live?

Nah, I for one am happy that there is zero chance of him reoffending again. But I do agree with you about the detective who shot him. I do feel sorry for him.

100% happy for my taxes to look after this guy for the next 15, 20, 40 years if it takes it. This is the justice system we have in place, and while there are flaws, plenty of them, it is the best system we have. I certainly wouldn't be mad about the idea of living next to him. But this is not what we're talking about here.

The Talking Bread · 25-05-2018 12:13PM

upandcumming wrote: »

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

FFS, not speaking foto myself specifically and because this death has saddened me so so much that I have tried avoiding focusing on the b#stard or psychoanalysing him, but people are perfectly entitled to be glad this guy is dead.
I think the Garda will be strong enough eventually to not feel as bad as people think he is feeling. This shooting is a freak anomaly

iamwhoiam · 25-05-2018 12:17PM

upandcumming wrote: »

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

I dont feel glad and I dont feel sorry I just dont give a toss that the man is dead .No one set out to shoot him dead so I think we can all safely say it was an accident and he died .Tough ****e , you go out and grab a young girl and manually strangle her then you have to accept you might just get shot dead .I could not care less that he is dead but I do care that some Garda is now suffering because of him

MarkY91 · 25-05-2018 12:31PM

upandcumming wrote: »

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

I'm so annoyed that he is dead as he got an easy way out. I wish he served life in prison, getting the **** kicked out of him on a daily basis then eventually killing himself. Then he would have felt 0000.1% of the pain he has caused that poor girl and her family.

iamwhoiam · 25-05-2018 01:01PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0525/965978-jastine-valdez/

The family have thanked the Irish people and the Filipino community

Strazdas · 25-05-2018 01:02PM

I think what is so upsetting about this case is that being abducted off the street by a random maniac, driven to a remote location and then brutally murdered is probably every person's worst fear (or one of them anyway).

The fact that poor Jastine seemed so vulnerable and harmless makes the case doubly upsetting.

Mr.Micro · 25-05-2018 01:04PM

upandcumming wrote: »

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

The guy was the suspect and shot dead before charges or a trial. The justice system is there to make sure an individual gets a fair trial. Advocation of shooting dead suspects is not right, no matter what the individual is suspected of. How can a dead suspect give information if there was a chance the girl was still alive. It's not the USA yet.

Sundew · 25-05-2018 01:08PM

upandcumming wrote: »

I don't know if I am shocked that some people are glad that this animal was shot dead, but I am disappointed.

No matter what anyone has done, we have a justice system in place to deal with crimes, and it doesn't involve shooting dead an accused. While many don't agree with 'weak' sentences, myself included, this is the best we have to deal with criminals. No one should be happy that this person was shot dead. I feel sorry for the Garda in question.

I think you would feel different if you had a family member die at the hands of somebodyelse. It is a blessing for all concerned that the killer of that young lady is no longer with us!

Strazdas · 25-05-2018 01:18PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The guy was the suspect and shot dead before charges or a trial. The justice system is there to make sure an individual gets a fair trial. Advocation of shooting dead suspects is not right, no matter what the individual is suspected of. How can a dead suspect give information if there was a chance the girl was still alive. It's not the USA yet.

No evidence that the Gardai overstepped the mark. When they arrived at the scene, they had no idea if Jastine was alive and in the car with the murderer. I've heard one or two people speculate that when he started stabbing himself, they may have thought he was attacking the girl instead and this would have been a crisis moment for them needing instant action. One bullet suggests they were merely trying to incapacitate him, not kill him.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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