Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

McCrack

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Trouble is, he obviously got a life sentence if that's the case. Today's judges don't seem to go for that anymore, they suspend half of it and call it justice somehow.

But a conviction for murder is a mandatory life sentence. The sentencing Judge does not have any discretion

RasTa

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Ah don't go

TomOnBoard

kingofclay wrote: »

I wonder what took him out all the way to Enniskerry.

I think this is a really crucial question. Also who was he talking to on the phone as he was going to his car in the security camera camera footage in the Indo?

weldoninhio

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Oh such a loss for the country.

tayto lover

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

I'd say there's many looking forward to that too.

hatrickpatrick

McCrack wrote: »

But a conviction for murder is a mandatory life sentence. The sentencing Judge does not have any discretion

Doesn't the judge have the authority to set how long must be served before parole can be considered, though?

ginandtonicsky

Omackeral wrote: »

That's a fair enough stance for you to take personally but they certainly are victims in this whole sordid event too. You'd have to feel horrendous for them.

I can't somehow. I can tell you it's absolutely not their fault and they have a life of suffering and pain ahead of them but I just can't feel sympathy or empathy for them.

ted1

TomOnBoard wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On a very trivial note, I won’t be able to look at beautiful Enniskerry or Killiney Bay without thinking of that “man”. And many moons ago there was serial attacker in south Dublin who attacked on Killiney beach; it was only when he nearly stabbed a work colleague to death that he was caught. Shanganagh was a haunt of Graham Dwyer, and decades ago was associated with the Green Tureen killer. I always think of these things when I pass these places, and their serene beauty is so incongruous with the evil that has taken place.

Jeez, I'm glad my memory doesn't work like that! When I go out into nature, I do it often as a way to get away from stuff, and to appreciate it's beauty. As an avid reader of history, I'd go nowhere, given all the crap that ppl have done all over the place for centuries.

Me too, sure I was down on the beach playing with the kids this afternoon.

ted1

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

I believe it’s illeg to vote if you are not residing in Ireland.

TomOnBoard

ted1 wrote: »

I believe it’s illeg to vote if you are not residing in Ireland.

AFAIK Residence is held for 18 months after you leave and you intend to return...I d8nt know how it all get proved though...

KathleenGrant

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Don't think so. The scumbag murderer guy was not sitting in his car with his hands up ready to co-operate. A lot of police forces would have reacted the same way.

Pity you are going home Saturday.

Brae100

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

That'll be a No vote I'd say.

arybvtcw0eolkf

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

I'm loath to reply to an obvious troll, but I'll make an exception this one time.

Most people here will know, or guessed my background ~ in saying that, I'd have squeezed the trigger on a kunt like that and never have thought I had done a bad thing.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

TomOnBoard

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Jeez, I'm glad my memory doesn't work like that! When I go out into nature, I do it often as a way to get away from stuff, and to appreciate it's beauty. As an avid reader of history, I'd go nowhere, given all the crap that ppl have done all over the place for centuries.

I know every patch of earth has been stained by misdoings, but it’s the stuff I’ve grown up from childhood with, into early adulthood, my very living memories. Like, I’d have been sitting in the back of the car as a kid on the way to Bray, and mother might say, “dreadfully sad for that lady” (Crinken) and I’d ask why, and my parents always told me facts, so I knew. As I say, beautiful as they are, the places briefly stroke a sad note in my heart knowing their associations with what happened in my lifetime. It simply serves to inform me how many millionfold the families directly affected are reminded by memories of the place, eg Jastine’s Parents will not be able to think of beautiful Enniskerry without thinking of the last moments of their beautiful daughter.

kingofclay

kingofclay wrote: »

That is just a horrible thought. One extra traffic light, one car making a turn and stopping her bus going through momentarily. It's so sad. I wonder what took him out all the way to Enniskerry.

Enniskerry is only 5 minutes from Bray by car, a route frequented by Bray dwellers in pursuit of scenic hill walks, the Powerscourt shops, cafe, garden centre etc.

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Without the note I fear Jastine would not have been found . Thankfully her family at least have her body and can grieve

I’d say, with gps technology in the car, together with sniffer dogs, she would have been found...eventually. A small mercy is that Jasmine’s remains would have been returned to the undertakers after forensics, in relatively ok condition which might have been some comfort to her parents, eg compared to the hirrrndous case if Karen Buckley who suffered a similar fate.

TomOnBoard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Enniskerry is only 5 minutes from Bray by car, a route frequented by Bray dwellers in pursuit of scenic hill walks, the Powerscourt shops, cafe, garden centre etc.

Yeah, but he wasn't in Bray. He left a cat park in Ballybrack around 5:45. Whats that from Eniskerry? 15-20 minutes on a Saturday evening?

Strazdas

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d say, with gps technology in the car, together with sniffer dogs, she would have been found...eventually. A small mercy is that Jasmine’s remains would have been returned to the undertakers after forensics, in relatively ok condition which might have been some comfort to her parents, eg compared to the hirrrndous case if Karen Buckley who suffered a similar fate.

One of the contributors on the Ivan Yates show on TV3 this evening made the point that it was fortunate that someone witnessed the abduction and set off a massive Garda investigation which led to the murderer being identified and cornered very quickly. We could just as easily be talking about poor Jastine still being missing (perhaps never to be found) and that scumbag at large.

At least her family have the chance to grieve for her and give her a funeral.

DubInTheWest

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

Suckit

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

I think his marriage was in trouble, he seems to have had a few different jobs, so maybe nothing stable.

DubInTheWest

Suckit wrote: »

I think his marriage was in trouble, he seems to have had a few different jobs, so maybe nothing stable.

2 kids and nothing stable... ? The age of the cnut. Needed to cut out the charlie and lay off the drink a bit and maybe things would have been a bit better. I'm not sure if this was random as I've read multiple sources and some are contradicting but I what I will say is, I've dabbled in psychology and if this was random, I'd bet my bottom dollar this wasn't his first offence at this type of thing.

orangerhyme

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

Larry Murphy and John Crerar both were married with kids and committed very similar crimes in the same area.

orangerhyme

DubInTheWest wrote: »

2 kids and nothing stable... ? The age of the cnut. Needed to cut out the charlie and lay off the drink a bit and maybe things would have been a bit better. I'm not sure if this was random as I've read multiple sources and some are contradicting but I what I will say is, I've dabbled in psychology and if this was random, I'd bet my bottom dollar this wasn't his first offence at this type of thing.

It's difficult to know. One criminologist said that due to the lack of planning, broad daylight, busy road, witnessed etc suggests it was a first time offence.
I'm not sure if it was sexually motivated either.
On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if things from his past are dragged up, a propensity for violence against women

juno10353

I think that as there seems to be no previous connection and that Jastine was snatched randomly, that the assailant thought she was younger. She was small and petite. Has there been cases in area of attempted child or teen abductions?

Mantis Toboggan

Was jasmine sexually assaulted?

McCrack

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Doesn't the judge have the authority to set how long must be served before parole can be considered, though?

No not in Ireland

Drumorig

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah, but he wasn't in Bray. He left a cat park in Ballybrack around 5:45. Whats that from Eniskerry? 15-20 minutes on a Saturday evening?

10 mins max, there's a road up behind the silver Tassie that's brings you up past the leadmines and onto enniskerry.

Grayson

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

We are living in one of the safest countries, at one of the safest times in history. And in general it's getting better. Sure some years it goes up a bit but over the last century it's been steadily trending downwards.

that doesn't mean that horrible things don't happen. Unfortunately they do. This last week has shown that they do. But nevertheless the chances of something bad happening to a person are still lower than at any point in human history.

As humans though, we're not designed for a safe environment. We fear the unknown. We hear a rustle in a bush and jump. So fear is an understandable reaction to this.

BattleCorp

DubInTheWest wrote: »

I don't know what the f@ck is going on these days, it's getting worse and worse as the generations progress. This cnut had kids, a wife at home. Seems like he had a reasonably decent job, nice car, not short of a few quid and he does this, like what more does he want/need.

The amount of dangerous weirdo's out there is frightening. The day's of letting the kids go and play by themselves are well and truely gone.

You know what, we've had a bad week with two terrible incidents but it's not like this is the norm for Ireland. It's a pretty safe place to live. People are going over the top with how bad things have gotten.

RasTa

Brae100 wrote: »

That'll be a No vote I'd say.

lol, you wish. Same people whom are glad this cop executed this man are all no voters with their reasoning