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Mexican stand off at RTE Primetime

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    #182
    Akrasia
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    If you’re prolife you’re a troglodyte? Sums up the yes campaign in the last desperate week pretty much.
    Think about it....being pro life is something to be ashamed and embarrassed off.
    I wish all the undecided voters could see this.
    Everyone is pro life. I'm voting yes, and I don't want people to have abortions unless they really need one. The difference between me and you is that I acknowledge that there are lots of situations where abortions are necessary


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    #183
    drunkmonkey
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    The 'state of the country' has nothing to do with the 8th amendment. Pro life campaigners can still push for services that they think will reduce abortions with or without the 8th amendment

    It has everything to do with abortion. The proper structures aren't in place we heard that from both sides last night.
    The HSE is a money pit neither Leo or Harris have tackled it. Was it 1.1 billion paid out in court cases under Fina Gael, I'm sure a proper functioning Health service could put that money to better use.
    The current contraversy is going to cost a fortune again it happened under Leo and Harris and were meant to believe neither of them even heard a whisper about it, pull the other one.


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    #184
    drunkmonkey
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    The plot thickens

    From Cora

    "Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

    Something we haven't been told?


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    #185
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens

    From Cora

    "Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

    Something we haven't been told?

    Or deliberately muddying the waters?


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    #186
    pleas advice
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Everyone is pro life.

    The same way that everyone is pro choice


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    #187
    kerry cow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    I will be voting no , because it's not right to end a life, only in the event the mothers life was in danger .we have a allowance for that already .Yes we have lost a few mothers to mistakes but we have saved so many babies lives with the system we have .
    Rape cases don't have to wait 10 , 12 0r 20 weeks to terminate .
    Your raped today , take the morning after pill this evening .
    What's the big issue .the deed is done .
    There is many a downs child loved up and down the country .If it was normal to abort , we would not have their presents .
    Is it a perfect race that is been sought here ? Is it a reduced maintenance bill the government want on long term health care ?
    I believe we should have a little more reflection in our lives , on why are we here ? We should be glad of the hand that we are dealt and deal with it .life is about challenges and how we cope .
    How many children have been born to young people who's parents flipped it when they heard the news ? Some babies were aborted , some were not .If you asked the survivors to give their little ones back , it won't happen , why because they are loved by all , and it wasn't as bad as people made out .
    People will read this post who have aborted or who are thinking of aborting and who did not abort .why not let that baby grow , adopt out , there are so many wanting children that can nt have .
    I will vote no and at this point it doesn't matter to me if the yes side win , because all I can do is the right thing , lead my life as best I can , harm no one and Let all life grow .
    I am not any set religion but am a believer in the right to live .


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    #188
    drunkmonkey
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    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    Or deliberately muddying the waters?

    Or there just leaving Maria undesputed heavy weight champion of the Abortion debate.
    Neither last night were as impressive or passionate.


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    #189
    Cina
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    kerry cow wrote: »
    Your raped today , take the morning after pill this evening .
    What's the big issue .the deed is done .
    Kerry Troll more like. Christ.


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    #190
    Hitman3000
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    Well has Cora surfaced yet?


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    #191
    Hitman3000
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    drunkmonkey wrote:
    Something we haven't been told?

    Something we won't be told either the truth. Cora banged on for months for Harris to debate her he agrees and in the last few hours before hand she pulls out. Maybe it's the cynic in me bit I think it was a very poor attempt at substituting Maria for Cora. RTE was right not to allow that kind of b.s.. but of course the spin has already started.


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    #192
    hotmail.com
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    Cora said she didn't pull out but then doesn't explain what happened. There's speculation that their polls are showing the No side losing so hence they are panicking.


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    #193
    drunkmonkey
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Something we won't be told either the truth. Cora banged on for months for Harris to debate her he agrees and in the last few hours before hand she pulls out. Maybe it's the cynic in me bit I think it was a very poor attempt at substituting Maria for Cora. RTE was right not to allow that kind of b.s.. but of course the spin has already started.

    I'd think the same but the Cynic in me says Harris would have never agreed to go on the show if Maria was there.


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    #194
    vicwatson
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    Sherlock didn’t pull out she was told to stay out, a fractious no campaign is in action


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    #195
    kunst nugget
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens

    From Cora

    "Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

    Something we haven't been told?

    Ah, the Liberal… the last bastion of true journalism left in this country. Hopefully Cora wins one of Leo's imaginary facebook competitions, she could do with a lift today.


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    #196
    lertsnim
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens

    From Cora

    "Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

    Something we haven't been told?

    So Maria Sheen trying to get on instead didn't happen and I suppose Maria Sheen didn't pull out of the Pat Kenny debate and TV3 last night just made it up.

    I didn't realise who Cora Sherlocks brother was. That tells me all I need to know about her and this new development.


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    #197
    Hitman3000
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    drunkmonkey wrote:
    I'd think the same but the Cynic in me says Harris would have never agreed to go on the show if Maria was there.


    You could be right but Harris showed up Cora didn't. Major screw up and according to the Indo yesterday Maria has pulled out of tonight's TV3 debate.


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    #198
    hotmail.com
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    lertsnim wrote:
    I didn't realise who Cora Sherlocks brother was. That tells me all I need to know about her and this new development.

    The Sherlock family are one odd family, that's for sure.


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    #199
    xalot
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    kerry cow wrote: »

    Your raped today , take the morning after pill this evening .
    What's the big issue .the deed is done .
    .

    Kerrycow you have incorrect information about how the morning after pill works, it delays ovulation, if you've already ovulated or the process has started then it wont work.

    I hope your reason for voting No is based on more solid facts.


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    #200
    Try_harder
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    I love the no side spinning that them shafting Cora is somehow RTEs fault!

    Cora got dumped tried to get Maria on but RTE said no. Now Maria wont go on Pat Kenny!!!

    Mutiny on the bounty!


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    #201
    drunkmonkey
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You could be right but Harris showed up Cora didn't. Major screw up and according to the Indo yesterday Maria has pulled out of tonight's TV3 debate.

    I'd say it was never the intention to have Cora there, only way they could get Harris on the show was to promise no Maria.

    Not surprised at her pulling out of Pat Kenny show after the run in with him last week.


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    #202
    Try_harder
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'd say it was never the intention to have Cora there, only way they could get Harris on the show was to promise no Maria.

    Not surprised at her pulling out of Pat Kenny show after the run in with him last week.

    So Cora was bait? Pat Kenny pulled her weak argument apart alright. Pat is shrewd


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    #203
    pc7
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Cora said she didn't pull out but then doesn't explain what happened. There's speculation that their polls are showing the No side losing so hence they are panicking.


    Could they legally challenge the result if Yes win based on media bias? Could that be the endgame on this one?


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    #204
    Hitman3000
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    drunkmonkey wrote:
    I'd say it was never the intention to have Cora there, only way they could get Harris on the show was to promise no Maria.


    Sherlock sought the debate with Harris he agreed, it's not him or RTE looking like Muppets. The spin ain't working.


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    #205
    drunkmonkey
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    So Cora was bait? Pat Kenny pulled her weak argument apart alright. Pat is shrewd

    That's not a fair debate then is it. Pat Kenny should be the host not pushing his own narrative to force an outcome. That's a stitch up.

    Yea I think Cora was bait as RTE would not allow the No side representative to represent the No side.


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    #206
    Hitman3000
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    drunkmonkey wrote:
    Not surprised at her pulling out of Pat Kenny show after the run in with him last week.


    I thought Maria was the No sides star performer? Jaysus if Kenny can tear her nonsense apart no wonder she pulled out.


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    #207
    kunst nugget
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Could they legally challenge the result if Yes win based on media bias? Could that be the endgame on this one?

    How could they? RTÉ cut down on the amount of contributors on the pro side when Cora Sherlock withdrew from the debate (pulled out just seems so wrong in this discussion) so they did their best to keep the show balanced. Is it the fault of RTÉ that the no side didn't have faith in one of their leading campaigners and should they capitulate to any side when they demand to make last minute changes to try and throw the cat amongst the pigeons?


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    #208
    Hitman3000
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    pc7 wrote:
    Could they legally challenge the result if Yes win based on media bias? Could that be the endgame on this one?


    What media bias? The media has tip toed around the No campaign. Never called out on their b.s.. Although the factcheck at the end of debates has lessened the lies to an extent.


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    #209
    drunkmonkey
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Could they legally challenge the result if Yes win based on media bias? Could that be the endgame on this one?

    Bingo, it nearly happened in the presedential election. RTE have been proven to be biased. The she appeared last week argument doesn't wash as they gave Boylan a second crack at it on the Late Late show.


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    #210
    pc7
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    What media bias? The media has tip toed around the No campaign. Never called out on their b.s.. Although the factcheck at the end of debates has lessened the lies to an extent.


    No, I don't believe they've shown bias, I just wondered could this be what the no side are up too and would they have any case?


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    #211
    Loafing Oaf
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens

    From Cora

    "Sherlock released a statement through her brother Leo's website The Liberal, saying "At no stage did I pull out of this debate. There's been a lot of noise today, but please don't worry about headlines."

    Something we haven't been told?

    If Leo is involved I'd say it's more a case of 'the thick plottens'...


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