Mexican stand off at RTE Primetime

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

A lot of us have similar experiences with family and even friends.

I have also known friends who have survived cancer but in weak moments would have just wanted to die. So no I stand by what I said.

following the trend of confusing a choice you make for yourself and a choice you deny another huh

Subcomandante Marcos

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Fidelma has the smile of Satan

Proof if ever it was needed that family connections go further than intelligence or talent ever will in Irish civil war parties.

pleas advice

fritzelly wrote: »

As Leo said - why wait til now to bring up these constitutional amendment options, what were they doing the past 30 years.

you'd have to ask the 'yes' politicians that

Ally Dick

Deleted User wrote: »

following the trend of confusing a choice you make for yourself and a choice you deny another huh

All very dangerous territory. One law for me. One for you

Mr.H

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Being unlucky enough to have had several people in my life deal with terminal cancer and other conditions such as MS, I disagree massively. They don't suddenly lose their mental faculties. If I ever ended up in the position of my family friend who died for MS I'd hope I'd be afforded the wish of a dignified death she fought for and was denied by Irish law.

Mentally.

Not mental faculties.

When you have so much going on you do have loads going on mentally.

I would be against such a law because people don't always think clearly when dealing with these issues. Your talking about suicide and I will never support aided suicide. My 80 year old grandmother would have wanted it to ease the burden on her family even though she had another 4/5 years in her.

Loafing Oaf

fritzelly wrote: »

Well they could hardly let 2 yes against 1 no be on stage.
Obvious ploy by the No side

Being a subscriber to cock-up rather than conspiracy theories, I reckon Cora just got a fit of the vapours...

A.Partridge

Katie Ascough says that after watching an abortion procedure she thinks it must be the worst or one of the worst things that a human being can do to another.

She obviously has never watched a rape then.

Charmeleon

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Being a subscriber to cock-up rather than conspiracy theories, I reckon Cora just got a fit of the vapours...

I would think so too, being so close to the referendum and possibly being a pivotal moment would give anyone the horrors. Politicians are used to arguing whatever way the wind blows and making the most out of either outcome.

hatrickpatrick

batistuta9 wrote: »

What's wrong with euthanasia?

I'd have issues with it in the sense of the risk, horrible though it is to talk about it, of people who are elderly or require full time care, being pressured or manipulated towards it by family or friends. Particularly if any unscrupulous gobsh!tes stood to gain from potential inheritance.

I'm thinking of that "bring out your dead" scene in Monty Python where they try to pass the 'auld fella off as a dead person when he clearly isn't. Awful thing to even think about but we all know there are some absolute monsters out there who otherwise seem perfectly nice and normal, and it's something which would really concern me.

Subcomandante Marcos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd have issues with it in the sense of the risk, horrible though it is to talk about it, of people who are elderly or require full time care, being pressured or manipulated towards it by family or friends. .

So deny people their dignity because you've an over active imagination and can't see but the bad in things?

All of this would be easily legislated against. It's not like in countries where euthanasia is legal you can rock up to a clinic at 9am and have you in the funeral home by lunch, it's not a spur of the moment decision.

Just like abortion isn't something people just decide to do on a whim.

The idiocy of your stance is really striking.

Loafing Oaf

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

As predicted, Harris is bloody useless.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

She’s useless as well from what I’ve seen

Anyone expressing a pro-repeal point of view?

Yer Da sells Avon

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Fidelma has the smile of Satan

Ah, don't forget, she's somebody's mother... somebody's sister... somebody's wiffy.

Ash.J.Williams

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah, don't forget, she's somebody's mother... somebody's sister... somebody's wiffy.

Hope the luas robocops bust her tonight dodging the fare into town

NIMAN

A.Partridge wrote: »

Katie Ascough says that after watching an abortion procedure she thinks it must be the worst or one of the worst things that a human being can do to another.

She obviously has never watched a rape then.

So is there a place you can actually go to watch a rape video?:eek:

kunst nugget

A.Partridge wrote: »

Katie Ascough says that after watching an abortion procedure she thinks it must be the worst or one of the worst things that a human being can do to another.

She obviously has never watched a rape then.

Who the **** watches a rape?!?! Jesus...

Fred Swanson

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who the f**k watches a primetime debate

Mongfinder General

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Who the fcuk watches an abortion?

The medical personnel who perform it i’d imagine.

Fred Swanson

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Loafing Oaf

Charmeleon wrote: »

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Being a subscriber to cock-up rather than conspiracy theories, I reckon Cora just got a fit of the vapours...

I would think so too, being so close to the referendum and possibly being a pivotal moment would give anyone the horrors. Politicians are used to arguing whatever way the wind blows and making the most out of either outcome.

I think it worked out better for the antis in the end though. IMO toibin is by far their most effective salesman to undecided voters. Very smooth, very plausible, not a hint of the bead rattler about him. If he had some ionabot alongside him it would just have queered the pitch, as it were...

con___manx1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

who the f**k watches a primetime debate

I watch it to see what the clowns are up to that run this country.

StupidLikeAFox

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah, don't forget, she's somebody's mother... somebody's sister... somebody's wiffy.

She would still vote against abortion in cases of frape

NIMAN

Seemed to be one of the more civilised debates of the campaign.

qwerty ui op

Can't believe the "No"side have so little to say they revert back to talking about "state of the country" to avoid actual debate.

Akrasia

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd have issues with it in the sense of the risk, horrible though it is to talk about it, of people who are elderly or require full time care, being pressured or manipulated towards it by family or friends. Particularly if any unscrupulous gobsh!tes stood to gain from potential inheritance.

I'm thinking of that "bring out your dead" scene in Monty Python where they try to pass the 'auld fella off as a dead person when he clearly isn't. Awful thing to even think about but we all know there are some absolute monsters out there who otherwise seem perfectly nice and normal, and it's something which would really concern me.

In than Monty Python scene, its funny because the guy keeps saying he's not dead. In any Euthanasia scenario, the person who is dying gets to make the decision

drunkmonkey

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Can't believe the "No"side have so little to say they revert back to talking about "state of the country" to avoid actual debate.

The yes side don't seem to get some of the abortions are happening because of the state of the country. The Yes doctor got caught our on her own letter about the state of services.

It was poor TV I thought, more like a college debate. Couldn't really warm to Harris, don't think it done anything to sway anybody either direction.

No winners, same for the TV3 debate after it.

Akrasia

qwerty ui op wrote: »

Can't believe the "No"side have so little to say they revert back to talking about "state of the country" to avoid actual debate.

Its sad. If the referendum passes, there is nothing to stop the no side from pushing for these changes which they believe will make life more worthwhile. They won't though. They only care about fetuses, they don't want to pay extra taxes to support children with disabilities or in economic deprivation

Akrasia

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The yes side don't seem to get some of the abortions are happening because of the state of the country. The Yes doctor got caught our on her own letter about the state of services.

It was poor TV I thought, more like a college debate. Couldn't really warm to Harris, don't think it done anything to sway anybody either direction.

No winners, same for the TV3 debate after it.

The 'state of the country' has nothing to do with the 8th amendment. Pro life campaigners can still push for services that they think will reduce abortions with or without the 8th amendment

splinter65

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Not prolife troglodytes?

If you’re prolife you’re a troglodyte? Sums up the yes campaign in the last desperate week pretty much.
Think about it....being pro life is something to be ashamed and embarrassed off.
I wish all the undecided voters could see this.

Akrasia

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I think it worked out better for the antis in the end though. IMO toibin is by far their most effective salesman to undecided voters. Very smooth, very plausible, not a hint of the bead rattler about him. If he had some ionabot alongside him it would just have queered the pitch, as it were...

His best points were pure sophistry. He thinks socialism will cure abortion, but socialism isn't on the ballot card