Mexican stand off at RTE Primetime

Ally Dick · 22-05-2018 10:21pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think there should be another referendum on it every 25 years regardless of result.

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

Loafing Oaf · 22-05-2018 10:22pm

Apologies if this point has already made, but I think it makes for a more coherent, focused debate just having the two guys up there.

EPAndlee · 22-05-2018 10:23pm

I'd say it must be real awkward in the studio during the ad break

batistuta9 · 22-05-2018 10:23pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

Hopefully.

Hitman3000 · 22-05-2018 10:23pm

Ally Dick wrote:

The same PBH that grills pro life callers to Liveline and gives pro choice callers free reign

Oh you mean fact checking, heard him on liveline yesterday. He called a caller out on several inaccuracies she made about the proposed legislation. Of course if you use verifiable fact you will get free reign as you put it.

hotmail.com · 22-05-2018 10:24pm

Ally Dick wrote:

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

There's no constitutional ban on euthanasia, so no need for a referendum.

tvc15 · 22-05-2018 10:24pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Apologies if this point has already made, but I think it makes for a more coherent, focused debate just having the two guys up there.

That just sounds like you are happy no women are debating

Pegmatite · 22-05-2018 10:26pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

No it wont, there is nothing in the constitution prohibiting euthanasia. It's a legislative issue.

If you can direct me to the relevant section of the constitution you are referring to that needs to be amended. Id love to see it. Thanks.

hatrickpatrick · 22-05-2018 10:26pm

My dad's a former RTE producer, says this last minute withdrawal of a debate participant and trying to substitute with someone else is a well known and ancient tactic of disruption. Basically, there's a whole bunch of stuff which is prepared well in advance of these programs - the graphics and bios to introduce and label each participant being an obvious example - and while it's possible to redo all this at short notice, it's a massive pain in the hole particularly for the production team. So essentially, they're willing to do it in cases of genuine emergency or unforeseen circumstances, but they understandably get pissed off when political entities try to do it for strategic reasons at the last minute.

In this case, I'd imagine that their refusal to go along with Steen has nothing to do with her personally or how they feel about the issue, it's sheer "you're screwing us over by disrupting the production so close to the air time, for no legitimate reason, so you can go f*ck yourselves". Had Steen been nominated from the beginning, they'd be far less hostile to it, but this is more of a "you're not going to have us scrambling around to accommodate your petty sh!te with almost no notice, feck off".

Loafing Oaf · 22-05-2018 10:27pm

tvc15 wrote: »

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Apologies if this point has already made, but I think it makes for a more coherent, focused debate just having the two guys up there.

That just sounds like you are happy no women are debating

No dearth if femininity with sh up there...

duffman13 · 22-05-2018 10:28pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

It would be a great thing for this country to discuss in a civilised manner, particularly for terminally ill patients. It might be more level headed than this abortion debate.

Subcomandante Marcos · 22-05-2018 10:29pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

That doesn't need a referendum, thankfully.

Hopefully a government can have enough common sense to agree that if someone is suffering so much they feel they'd rather end their life on their own terms instead of letting some degenerative chronic disease slowly destroy them, we should allow them the dignity of that choice.

22-05-2018 10:30pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

That depends on if they get the desired result on this one. If not they will proffer the same again in a few years

drunkmonkey · 22-05-2018 10:31pm

Needs more whooping.

Beechwoodspark · 22-05-2018 10:31pm

As predicted, Harris is bloody useless.

fritzelly · 22-05-2018 10:32pm

Berserker wrote: »

The women pulled out to be fair to them.

Did the yes side pull out or drop out or did RTE force one or the other to drop out to even the numbers

Loafing Oaf · 22-05-2018 10:34pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Berserker wrote: »

The women pulled out to be fair to them.

Did the yes side pull out or drop out or did RTE force one or the other to drop out to even the numbers

Dr. Mary Higgins was supposed to be on the stage afaik.

Beechwoodspark · 22-05-2018 10:35pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Dr. Mary Higgins was supposed to be on the stage afaik.

She’s useless as well from what I’ve seen

fritzelly · 22-05-2018 10:35pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Dr. Mary Higgins was supposed to be on the stage afaik.

Well they could hardly let 2 yes against 1 no be on stage.
Obvious ploy by the No side

batistuta9 · 22-05-2018 10:37pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

Hopefully you'll avail

What's wrong with euthanasia?

VonZan · 22-05-2018 10:37pm

I'm not sure why they wanted Steen so badly. She came across quite poorly on Claire Byrne IMO.

scuby · 22-05-2018 10:38pm

Steen has since pulled out of tv3 debate tomorrow night with pat Kenny

pleas advice · 22-05-2018 10:39pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

There's no constitutional ban on euthanasia, so no need for a referendum.

i *think* one of the referendums coming up in the next year or so, proposed by the citisens assembly, doesn't involve constitutional change, it would just be controversial to bring in without the say of the people

EPAndlee · 22-05-2018 10:40pm

Steen should not be allowed air time

Atlantic Dawn · 22-05-2018 10:40pm

Has she got the Wiffy code?

hotmail.com · 22-05-2018 10:41pm

No side have Fidelma.. they must be desperate.

Ally Dick · 22-05-2018 10:41pm

batistuta9 wrote: »

What's wrong with euthanasia?

Open to mistakes

hotmail.com · 22-05-2018 10:42pm

Katie looks up videos of abortions.

Subcomandante Marcos · 22-05-2018 10:43pm

I'm out foreign, is Fidelma Really Screams on the panel?

What a bad idea.

drunkmonkey · 22-05-2018 10:45pm

scuby wrote: »

Steen has since pulled out of tv3 debate tomorrow night with pat Kenny

Pat Kenny had fisty cuffs with her already, https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/abortion-referendum/pat-kenny-claims-his-newstalk-radio-show-was-targeted-in-an-organised-way-by-prolife-campaigners-36912575.html

22-05-2018 10:47pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Katie looks up videos of abortions.

Shes been training all her life for this referendum. Quite an amazing background she has.

hotmail.com · 22-05-2018 10:50pm

Peadar pretty weak tonight and Harris performed well. Most people probably have their minds made up anyway.

Hitman3000 · 22-05-2018 10:50pm

drunkmonkey wrote:

Pat Kenny had fisty cuffs with her already,

She didn't like having her b.s. highlighted.

pleas advice · 22-05-2018 10:50pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Needs more whooping.

Coillte_Bhoy · 22-05-2018 10:52pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Katie looks up videos of abortions.

Just to be sure of what she's voting on:pac:

Ash.J.Williams · 22-05-2018 10:52pm

Yer man in the audience in the suit had some huge sweaty forehead all the same

Mr.H · 22-05-2018 10:54pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Hopefully a government can have enough common sense to agree that if someone is suffering so much they feel they'd rather end their life on their own terms instead of letting some degenerative chronic disease slowly destroy them, we should allow them the dignity of that choice.

Hopefully not. Terminally ill people are going through too much mentally to make that choice.

hotmail.com · 22-05-2018 10:54pm

No side seem to think there's a way of allowing for abortion for rape, ffa, incest.. But they'd oppose that as well. They just look silly and desperate at this stage.

drunkmonkey · 22-05-2018 10:55pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSTjzrmRg

fergus1001 · 22-05-2018 10:56pm

hotmail.com wrote:

Katie looks up videos of abortions.

after she is finnished with the misappropriation of student union funds to promote a pro life position

woejus · 22-05-2018 10:57pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

It least I will have one thing to look forward to after the YES side inevitably win - Mattie McGrath and the Healy Raes blocking the legislation in the Dail

I don’t know maybe you should book a holiday? Seems grim to only have that to look forward to

duffman13 · 22-05-2018 11:01pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Hopefully not. Terminally ill people are going through too much mentally to make that choice.

Having watched numerous terminally ill family members be starved and medicated to death slowly, I'd happily make that call now for that not to be my fate. I'm 31 now if im diagnosed with something like terminal cancer etc in 20 years I'll be saying what I said all along.

I do not want to suffer

fritzelly · 22-05-2018 11:02pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

No side seem to think there's a way of allowing for abortion for rape, ffa, incest.. But they'd oppose that as well. They just look silly and desperate at this stage.

As Leo said - why wait til now to bring up these constitutional amendment options, what were they doing the past 30 years.

Ally Dick · 22-05-2018 11:04pm

fritzelly wrote: »

As Leo said - why wait til now to bring up these constitutional amendment options, what were they doing the past 30 years.

Because the hard cases are recent enough.

byhookorbycrook · 22-05-2018 11:04pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

The next referendum will be on legalising euthanasia

As a person with a neuro-degenative disease, bring it on.

fritzelly · 22-05-2018 11:08pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

Because the hard cases are recent enough.

Sorry, didn't realise women only started getting raped in the past few years or started have non viable fetuses.

Learn something new every day!

Mr.H · 22-05-2018 11:14pm

duffman13 wrote:

Having watched numerous terminally ill family members be starved and medicated to death slowly, I'd happily make that call now for that not to be my fate. I'm 31 now if im diagnosed with something like terminal cancer etc in 20 years I'll be saying what I said all along.

A lot of us have similar experiences with family and even friends.

I have also known friends who have survived cancer but in weak moments would have just wanted to die. So no I stand by what I said.

Subcomandante Marcos · 22-05-2018 11:17pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Hopefully not. Terminally ill people are going through too much mentally to make that choice.

Being unlucky enough to have had several people in my life deal with terminal cancer and other conditions such as MS, I disagree massively. They don't suddenly lose their mental faculties. If I ever ended up in the position of my family friend who died for MS I'd hope I'd be afforded the wish of a dignified death she fought for and was denied by Irish law.

Ash.J.Williams · 22-05-2018 11:18pm

Fidelma has the smile of Satan

fritzelly · 22-05-2018 11:18pm

Mr.H wrote: »

A lot of us have similar experiences with family and even friends.

I have also known friends who have survived cancer but in weak moments would have just wanted to die. So no I stand by what I said.

Having cancer and even being really sick but having a light at the end of the tunnel is very different from a terminal or degenerative illness

Mexican stand off at RTE Primetime

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