Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

wakka12 · 20-05-2018 09:36PM

This and what happened Ana are two very shocking cases in such a short space of time

G_R · 20-05-2018 09:36PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Cops could have contained situation, seriously don't know how it got to the point where they shot multiple times to kill.

How can you possibly know that?

BorneTobyWilde · 20-05-2018 09:36PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They should have sent for you, you being the expert and all.

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

Fanny Wank · 20-05-2018 09:37PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

But you didn't question it, you made an explicit statement

"Cops could have contained situation"

None of us know what happened

pjohnson · 20-05-2018 09:37PM

Toby and Wheres my Jumper are the CSI experts Ireland needs.

No facts or updates required and they can solve things

Witcher · 20-05-2018 09:37PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

More complete speculation.

RacoonQueen · 20-05-2018 09:38PM

Lots of f*cking experts on how to deal with a hostage/kidnapping/violent situation. Could yee not have volunteered your help to the guards when this all broke lads? Maybe your man would still be alive then. :rolleyes:

The Talking Bread · 20-05-2018 09:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

No updates on the RTE website at all. Very poor service imo.

It is no coincidence that the outlets who were giving the most regular "updates" were getting their facts mixed up the more and more they tried to get quick info out. Ironically RTE has got their facts 100% bang on before releasing them

OldMrBrennan83 · 20-05-2018 09:39PM

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Alkers · 20-05-2018 09:39PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

Cops could have contained situation, seriously don't know how it got to the point where they shot multiple times to kill.

Could be a case of more than one Garda firing

Green Peter · 20-05-2018 09:39PM

Isn't the internet and boards great. It will be interesting to read back on this in a week's time. Some horrendous ****e from some idiot posters. Anyone who knows anything remotely accurate will not be on boards posting at this time.

thebull85 · 20-05-2018 09:40PM

If it turns out this woman is dead, then the gardai done us all a massive favour by sending that scumbag to the morgue.

BorneTobyWilde · 20-05-2018 09:41PM

Strider wrote: »

More complete speculation.

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .

And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

tayto lover · 20-05-2018 09:43PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .

And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

You had your boot stuck into them before you know anything yourself.

Witcher · 20-05-2018 09:43PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .

And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

First the Gardai didn't control the situation correctly, now he was in a car when he was shot according to you.

You haven't a fcuking clue what happened, stop pretending you do.

The Talking Bread · 20-05-2018 09:43PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

Big difference between praising the "cops" for their actions here than abstaining from jumping to conclusions whether they acted in error. Again, noone knows the facts, but I would assume the Gardai done exactly what they deemed to be vital in the situation. Turning the negative attention towards the poor Garda when you haven't a clue what happened in the car park when the real issue is the girl right now is just poor form

Suckit · 20-05-2018 09:43PM

His Wife/Partner must be going through the mill now.

Finding out all of this and that he is dead. She can't even question him/get angry at him/understand it.

Very sad for all.

BorneTobyWilde · 20-05-2018 09:44PM

pah wrote: »

FML where to start. Are you a child?

Someone who would ask that is acting like one in all fairness.

theballz · 20-05-2018 09:44PM

I rarely post on this forum but I needed to log in to say some of you need to seriously cop on.

One More Toy · 20-05-2018 09:45PM

Cop on lads

ANDREWMUFC · 20-05-2018 09:46PM

The Garda who shot this deranged pervert made the correct decision

theballz · 20-05-2018 09:46PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Big difference between praising the "cops" for their actions here than abstaining from jumping to conclusions whether they acted in error. Again, noone knows the facts, but I would assume the Gardai done exactly what they deemed to be vital in the situation. Turning the negative attention towards the poor Garda when you haven't a clue what happened in the car park when the real issue is the girl right now is just poor form

When is the last time anyone heard of a Garda in this country shooting anyone? They wouldn’t be used to such a thing at all.

Of course it is all speculation but you can guarantee something bad was going on at the time for them to retaliate in such a manner.

uck51js9zml2yt · 20-05-2018 09:47PM

pah wrote: »

In fairness, how often do the gardai shoot someone in this country. I don't know what happened but I do know that the lethal option would have been a last resort. It always is. Even then the purpose is to stop the threat, aim for centre mass and stop the threat, not shoot to kill.

Let's not forget the fiasco that was abbeylara.

JimPa · 20-05-2018 09:48PM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

The Garda who shot this deranged pervert made the correct decision

You're assuming it's sexually motivated? It's a likely scenario but there's been enough jumping in this thread already.

G_R · 20-05-2018 09:49PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Someone who would ask that is acting like one in all fairness.

You're the one who has basically decided that the guards have escalated the situation by needlessly shooting him, yet you weren't there.

There will be an investigation by GSOC which I presume will be made public. That will contain the facts. When that is released, feel free to read it and make commentary then.

Until then, you know the same amount of information I do on the subject, which is basically f**k all, so how about we don't jump to conclusions just yet.

ED E · 20-05-2018 09:49PM

Simona1986 wrote: »

Could be a case of more than one Garda firing

Or an ARU/RSU with an MP7, 16 rounds in a 1s burst.

tayto lover · 20-05-2018 09:50PM

I can sympathise with the Garda who felt he had to shoot this man. He didn't go to work this morning knowing what was ahead of him.
I also sympathise with the partner/wife of the dead man and her children. She didn't know what was ahead of her today either.
I can sympathise with the parents, family and friends of the missing girl too.They still don't know what's ahead of them.

Raging_Ninja · 20-05-2018 09:51PM

Cannon Ripe Penalty wrote: »

Let's not forget the fiasco that was abbeylara.

Lessons were learned from that though. Significantly more money was spent on equipment. Procedures changed to place the ERU in charge of the scene instead of the local superintendent.

Never mind that the shooting itself was ruled to have been legitimate by any reasonable standard. There's only so much one can do when faced with an armed mentally ill individual.

At the end of the day, you don't learn very much from success.

Strazdas · 20-05-2018 09:51PM

Should be pointed out the Armed Response Unit are regularly attending incidents all over Dublin (with the gang feuds etc) and have intercepted attempted hits on people on several occasions. They don't have any sort of a reputation for being trigger happy or opening fire first and asking questions later.

flazio · 20-05-2018 09:51PM

I presume the Guards will be all over the last registered address for that car by now?

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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