Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Specialun

Omackeral wrote: »

Probably best to get rid of this, could lead to an innocent getting abuse from idiots online.

fair point. edited

wakka12

This and what happened Ana are two very shocking cases in such a short space of time

G_R

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Cops could have contained situation, seriously don't know how it got to the point where they shot multiple times to kill.

How can you possibly know that?

BorneTobyWilde

tayto lover wrote: »

They should have sent for you, you being the expert and all.

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

Fanny Wank

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

But you didn't question it, you made an explicit statement

"Cops could have contained situation"

None of us know what happened

pjohnson

Toby and Wheres my Jumper are the CSI experts Ireland needs.


No facts or updates required and they can solve things

pah

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

But you don't know the facts, equally.

Witcher

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

More complete speculation.

RacoonQueen

Lots of f*cking experts on how to deal with a hostage/kidnapping/violent situation. Could yee not have volunteered your help to the guards when this all broke lads? Maybe your man would still be alive then. :rolleyes:

The Talking Bread

tayto lover wrote: »

No updates on the RTE website at all. Very poor service imo.

It is no coincidence that the outlets who were giving the most regular "updates" were getting their facts mixed up the more and more they tried to get quick info out. Ironically RTE has got their facts 100% bang on before releasing them

OldMrBrennan83

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Alkers

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

Cops could have contained situation, seriously don't know how it got to the point where they shot multiple times to kill.

Could be a case of more than one Garda firing

Green Peter

Isn't the internet and boards great. It will be interesting to read back on this in a week's time. Some horrendous ****e from some idiot posters. Anyone who knows anything remotely accurate will not be on boards posting at this time.

thebull85

If it turns out this woman is dead, then the gardai done us all a massive favour by sending that scumbag to the morgue.

pah

In fairness, how often do the gardai shoot someone in this country. I don't know what happened but I do know that the lethal option would have been a last resort. It always is. Even then the purpose is to stop the threat, aim for centre mass and stop the threat, not shoot to kill.

BorneTobyWilde

Strider wrote: »

More complete speculation.

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .


And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

pah

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .


And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

FML where to start. Are you a child?

tayto lover

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .


And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

You had your boot stuck into them before you know anything yourself.

Witcher

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nowhere to go in speculation? Who was he David Copperfield .


And I said multiple times we don't know facts, can't praise anyone at the minute. We can question it, that is what I'm doing, it's very very strange to see a man riddled with bullets , even with a knife.

Of course we don't even know if there was a knife yet .

First the Gardai didn't control the situation correctly, now he was in a car when he was shot according to you.

You haven't a fcuking clue what happened, stop pretending you do.

The Talking Bread

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It works both ways, how can everyone be praising the cops for killing a man who was in a car and had nowhere to go.
If I can't question it, then surely people should not be praising it without knowing the facts.

Big difference between praising the "cops" for their actions here than abstaining from jumping to conclusions whether they acted in error. Again, noone knows the facts, but I would assume the Gardai done exactly what they deemed to be vital in the situation. Turning the negative attention towards the poor Garda when you haven't a clue what happened in the car park when the real issue is the girl right now is just poor form

Suckit

His Wife/Partner must be going through the mill now.

Finding out all of this and that he is dead. She can't even question him/get angry at him/understand it.

Very sad for all.

BorneTobyWilde

pah wrote: »

FML where to start. Are you a child?

Someone who would ask that is acting like one in all fairness.

theballz

I rarely post on this forum but I needed to log in to say some of you need to seriously cop on.

One More Toy

Cop on lads

ANDREWMUFC

The Garda who shot this deranged pervert made the correct decision

theballz

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Big difference between praising the "cops" for their actions here than abstaining from jumping to conclusions whether they acted in error. Again, noone knows the facts, but I would assume the Gardai done exactly what they deemed to be vital in the situation. Turning the negative attention towards the poor Garda when you haven't a clue what happened in the car park when the real issue is the girl right now is just poor form

When is the last time anyone heard of a Garda in this country shooting anyone? They wouldn’t be used to such a thing at all.

Of course it is all speculation but you can guarantee something bad was going on at the time for them to retaliate in such a manner.

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pah wrote: »

In fairness, how often do the gardai shoot someone in this country. I don't know what happened but I do know that the lethal option would have been a last resort. It always is. Even then the purpose is to stop the threat, aim for centre mass and stop the threat, not shoot to kill.

Let's not forget the fiasco that was abbeylara.

JimPa

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

The Garda who shot this deranged pervert made the correct decision

You're assuming it's sexually motivated? It's a likely scenario but there's been enough jumping in this thread already.

G_R

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Someone who would ask that is acting like one in all fairness.

You're the one who has basically decided that the guards have escalated the situation by needlessly shooting him, yet you weren't there.

There will be an investigation by GSOC which I presume will be made public. That will contain the facts. When that is released, feel free to read it and make commentary then.

Until then, you know the same amount of information I do on the subject, which is basically f**k all, so how about we don't jump to conclusions just yet.

ED E

Simona1986 wrote: »

Could be a case of more than one Garda firing

Or an ARU/RSU with an MP7, 16 rounds in a 1s burst.