Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

RacoonQueen

His mobile network should have a track of his movements from mast to mast. They can use that to figure out rough journey/timeline. They'll be able to see if his phone didn't do a location update for a while/hours that he was likely in the same spot/area during that time. Depends on what technology his particular mobile network is using but pretty much any network should be able to pull that sort of history on their subscribers.

mynamejeff

Cannon Ripe Penalty wrote: »

Let's not forget the fiasco that was abbeylara.

is that the one that the gardai eventually killed a mentally unstable man who harbored a long term grudge against the gardai for trying to take his gun away from him armed with a shot gun after he fired a large number of shots at them, having wounded him in the legs and arms before resorting to a fatal shot.

the one where they were criticized international for not shooting to kill much earlier

you haven't a clue mate and you shouldn't bother expressing an opinion about something you know nothing about

AnneFrank

It just seems so strange, a local 40plus year old man with a family, no police record abducts a young lady near his home in broad daylight in his own car and is then missing for 24 hours until shot, it just seems so irrational and random

Conservatory

They already have his phone data. They used it to find him.

The Talking Bread

So sad going to sleep now not having being privy to positive news, this case has seriously overwhelmed me. Please let me wake up to "good" news.

G_R

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Not very well redacted...

Don't really care if someone knows I took a train at some stage today

Cool_CM

JaMarcus wrote: »

How accurate is it anyway? I always thought that unless you used it for satnav, it only tracks the general area. And if GPS is switched off, how accurate would it be anyway? Genuine question as I'm curious how it works.

I was checking it recently and it able to differentiate between when I was in the Bison Bar and The Workmans Club and give accurate times (essentially different parts of the same building). I would imagine that it would also depend on the level of accuracy you have set your GPS settings.

theballz

I really hope she is okay

errlloyd

Cool_CM wrote: »

I was checking it recently and it able to differentiate between when I was in the Bison Bar and The Workmans Club and give accurate times (essentially different parts of the same building). I would imagine that it would also depend on the level of accuracy you have set your GPS settings.

I beleive Google maps also uses WiFi for that. So it sort of roughly knows where WiFi routers are and can triangulate based on which ones are in range.

Ultimate Seduction

They've been able to track people's movements on phones long before location services and GPS were on phones.

Strazdas

AnneFrank wrote: »

It just seems so strange, a local 40plus year old man with a family, no police record abducts a young lady near his home in broad daylight in his own car and is then missing for 24 hours until shot, it just seems so irrational and random

One notable aspect of this case is that they were able to identify a suspect so quickly and to be aware of his car registration number in the space of about 12 hours or so. Often in an abduction case like this, they might be waiting for days or weeks for a breakthrough.

not yet

Mod-No speculation please

fullstop

Mahony0509 wrote: »

I'm in no way bashing Gardai here btw just asking a question. It mentions in the Mirror that he was shot in the head. Isn't it usual police protocol to aim for the chest and/or legs to disable a threatening suspect?

They aim for the torso to allow the biggest margin for error. Why aim for a leg and take a chance of missing? Some absolute ****e being posted on this thread btw...you'd think the gardaí are some trigger happy bunch going by some of the nonsense posted.

d'Oracle

Strazdas wrote: »

One notable aspect of this case is that they were able to identify a suspect so quickly and to be aware of his car registration number in the space of about 12 hours or so. Often in an abduction case like this, they might be waiting for days or weeks for a breakthrough.

I still can't find any news article stating explicitly that the dead man was a suspect.

Amalgam

Not just maps, Android itself references a group blanket database of known routers to locate itself. Google has been criticised for being a bit vague about this. Even if data/gps is off, as long as wi-fi is active, the phone knows where it is, roughly.

Conservatory

fullstop wrote: »

They aim for the torso to allow the biggest margin for error. Why aim for a leg and take a chance of missing? Some absolute ****e being posted on this thread btw...you'd think the gardaí are some trigger happy bunch going by some of the nonsense posted.

Also if a bullet hits an arm it’s not likely to stop and could go anywhere really.

Happy4all

d'Oracle wrote: »

I still can't find any news article stating explicitly that the dead man was a suspect.

It's hardly rocket science

kingofclay

I can't for the life of me fathom what had him around Cherrywood. Why stay in the vicinity of South Dublin and in an area that isn't exactly hidden. Cars would have been going there since it's the last stop on the LUAS.
Is there a possibility he was waiting for a potential vulnerable victim?

oneilla

d'Oracle wrote: »

I still can't find any news article stating explicitly that the dead man was a suspect.

I think it's kinda implied. Guards said they were looking for a particular vehicle in relation to the woman's disappearance and then that vehicle with the reg plate is found and this man is shot. If he was unrelated then you'd imagine that info would have been released

Conservatory

kingofclay wrote: »

I can't for the life of me fathom what had him around Cherrywood. Why stay in the vicinity of South Dublin and in an area that isn't exactly hidden. Is there a possibility he was waiting for a victim coming off a Sunday evening Luas?

Maybe he had keys to a space in the industrial estate

wellwhynot

kingofclay wrote: »

I can't for the life of me fathom what had him around Cherrywood. Why stay in the vicinity of South Dublin and in an area that isn't exactly hidden. Cars would have been going there since it's the last stop on the LUAS.
Is there a possibility he was waiting for a potential vulnerable victim?

Maybe he was working up there. There is construction going on at the moment there. Perpetrators tend to stay around areas they are familiar with.

JimPa

It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

First time and a personal reason for it.

He knew her and her him.

Motive love or pride.

kingofclay

Conservatory wrote: »

Maybe he had keys to a space in the industrial estate

Who knows but it's really bizarre. Abduction happens maybe 15 minutes drive from his home in his wife's car in broad daylight effectively late afternoon this time of year. Saturday was a decent day, Enniskerry tends to be busy whenever there's any sort of decent weather. It's so strange.

errlloyd

Conservatory wrote: »

Maybe he had keys to a space in the industrial estate

I don't think it's that sort of industrial estate. The tennants there are super high tech like Dell, Genomics Medicine Ireland, Evros.

fred funk }{

JimPa wrote: »

It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

First time and a personal reason for it.

He knew her and her him.

Motive love or pride.

100%

AnneFrank

JimPa wrote: »

It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

First time and a personal reason for it.

He knew her and her him.

Motive love or pride.

I don't want to speculate but it certainly doesn't look like a planned attack or a serial abducter I totally agree but who knows people do snap aswell

d'Oracle

oneilla wrote: »

I think it's kinda implied. Guards said they were looking for a particular vehicle in relation to the woman's disappearance and then that vehicle with the reg plate is found and this man is shot. If he was unrelated then you'd imagine that info would have been released

I dunno, they usually say, maybe its just a matter of waiting for the official statement from them, but they don't tend to imply things by omission.

They tend to be a little more direct. They say things like "known to the Gardaí" or "the man was being sought in connection with their inquiries" or some such.

Never nothing like.

Amalgam

JimPa wrote: »

Motive love or pride.

Morbid, unwanted, infatuation.

Using the word 'love' is just..

allthedoyles

JimPa wrote: »

It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

First time and a personal reason for it.

He knew her and her him.

Motive love or pride.

If they knew each other , she was hardly bundled into his car ?

kingofclay

allthedoyles wrote: »

If they knew each other , she was hardly bundled into his car ?

I can see that. Pulls up alongside her and demands she gets in. She refuses and because she sort of knows him is reluctant to scream, he gets out and forces her in the car.